Third Black Wave: Electric Boogaloo

Jinos

Shhh. Just... have a cupcake and all will be fine. I promise. All those pesky thoughts that plague every day life will fade away. Good, Evil, Chaos, Nature, Progress.

Soon. You won't care about anything. But it'll be fine. We'll tend to you all. You'll be at peace.

Lenn

And people tell me Achaea isn't getting darker and edgier. Pft.

Adrik

Jinos said:

@Archaeon

Reparations? Hm. Well, it would be nice if we could pluck part of the nameless population in Hashan and Targossas, and shackle them into a towering prison spire, where their frostbitten shells rot to the point that even a leper would cringe at the sight.

Then we could place their carcasses throughout the continent with clay bowls and signs asking for donations to help repair the city.

Though if it were up to me personally they would be lobotomized in the lab, and sent across the streets carrying the same signs and bowls. Drooling smiles along their charitable tasks.

But that's me. I prefer the humane route. 

It would never happen of course, but it would be lovely.

Do it. We'll save them unlike what you guys did for your pop.

Jinos

Adrik said:

Do it. We'll save them unlike what you guys did for your pop.

Would if I could, but I don't think Cyrene's narrative would ever lean that far.

Archaeon

manchester

Armali

Don't let the edge cut you on the way out.

Kiet

Synthus said:

Kiet said:

if you couldnt do anything to get cyrene back how come skye was working on getting cyrene back and helped you get cyrene back

That's a question that I'd like to legitimately know the answer to, because I'd really like to know how to engage more with events in that manner. Everything I tried either hit brick walls or the trail ran out.

The answer is likely that:

1) Skye has been at this for a very long time. Achaea is a game where knowledge gives you very tangible advantages sometimes. What you considered good plans, Skye probably discarded like 5 minutes in. This is both lore-wise and more 'mechanics' wise, insofar as understanding Achaea's logic. Bugging the priest of Jaru to help you is probably pointless, bugging Hycanthus less so (in this case).

2) Skye doesn't just give up and post about how the event is railroaded 5 minutes in after some things fail.

Armali

Don't forget the last one, which probably outweighs all the other reasons you posted:

3) someone upstairs has a fondness for Skye, hence the Undinky Barrel and someone else thought would that make a cool anime arc for Skye.

Lenn

4) It sounds like her plans involved order interaction at some level, which means actually talking to or nearby an active divine that presumably likes her in some fashion.

And the explosions thing was just following a line of roleplay the admins themselves left.

Zbaco

Just some random musings...

It does seem like the event has largely petered out, at least from a Cyrenian perspective.

We've got our city back, are picking up the pieces and rebuilding, and at last getting some IC information that "yes, it really was as bad, if not worse, than we thought/wanted to believe." The bodies are continuing to be buried, and the tunnel to the Vashnars will be reopened soon. Things are slowly returning to (a semblance of) normal.

On the PvP side of things, it's looking like our combatants are about to get permission to go on the offensive, as they're been clamouring to do so for quite some time now. We're already experiencing the joys of being raided again, albeit by a different group of faces than we normally see - which is actually kind of nice (no offense @Aegoth, @Proficy & co., it got rather repetitive seeing you all raiding time and time again.)

Quite possible things will heat up again once the Games kick off...and as they are being hosted by the Tsol'teth, would expect Cyrenians to boycott it entirely, though you know that's not going to happen.

Anyways, guess we'll see what happens.

Neraeos

All of these are wrong at some level, including that Skye was "picked" as the bomb carrier. There were other players involved, and beyond that, I encourage you to find out in Achaea if you are really that curious.

Synthus

Lenn said:

And the explosions thing was just following a line of roleplay the admins themselves left.

Duly noted.

Zbaco said:

Quite possible things will heat up again once the Games kick off...and as they are being hosted by the Tsol'teth, would expect Cyrenians to boycott it entirely, though you know that's not going to happen. 

Anyways, guess we'll see what happens. 

I don't think Cyrene is going to boycott the games, but I would be highly disappointed if there isn't some subterfuge being employed considering that it sounds like we are about to walk into the heart of the Tsol'teth home.

Kiet

Armali said:

Don't forget the last one, which probably outweighs all the other reasons you posted:

3) someone upstairs has a fondness for Skye, hence the Undinky Barrel and someone else thought would that make a cool anime arc for Skye.

mate I've antagonized half of achaea which at some point included many players that eventually became gods, and yet I've never felt ignored for an event that I attempted to put effort into. the idea that skye is just the garden's favorite is an excuse, especially since now and then we get relative nobodies getting big parts of events, too.

I've been playing this game for a very long time. I don't always participate very hard in events (especially game-wide ones), largely because I'm add and because kiet has a very specific list of things he cares enough to put effort into. But I have been watching events (either of the worldwide or the smaller variety like stuff for a house/guild/city/order) closely for a long time, I've known a lot of people that got put into events posts, both famous and not so much. I know firsthand how much effort and creativity some of these people put into trying to influence events, and the idea that it all just comes down to 'oh they have an order' (well no shit having an org makes it easier, this isn't rogue: the game) or 'oh they're someoone's favorite upstairs' are absurd when faced with the actual evidence I've seen.

If there is some sort of 'preference' that I've noticed (not that individual gods cant have favorites, of course, but I mean on a more general level) it's that well-developed, creative, and interesting characters with interesting ideas can sometimes get more attention on a case by case basis. Which is, well, a positive, and different from 'oh they just pick their favorites.' It's less about who and more about how, in that sense.

Armali

That's fair, but you don't need to exaggerate and make it sound like that was the only, exclusive reason. It happens that people in authority take a shine to people beneath them, often times for the reasons you even described, and things get nudged along for that person because of it. They couldn't manufacture things out of whole cloth, of course, but if the person is looking to pursue something that might be plausible, then it could get pushed ahead of other, equally plausible routes. To claim otherwise is as absurd as claiming that someone was raised to position of prominence for solely their relationship alone.

Lenn

So why Undinky Barrel and not The Meld Beacon?

The world may never know.

Kiet

Armali said:

That's fair, but you don't need to exaggerate and make it sound like that was the only, exclusive reason. It happens that people in authority take a shine to people beneath them, often times for the reasons you even described, and things get nudged along for that person because of it. They couldn't manufacture things out of whole cloth, of course, but if the person is looking to pursue something that might be plausible, then it could get pushed ahead of other, equally plausible routes. To claim otherwise is as absurd as claiming that someone was raised to position of prominence for solely their relationship alone.

If some people get picked more it's not because the admin like them more as people, generally, but simply because they've demonstrated that they're an interesting character before. Do you think Skye rose from the ocean in a clamshell with her first events honours line?

Even Delphinus, the ultimate events post hoarder, got there by putting in obsessive amounts of effort for rl years. That's my point. It's the effort (and quality of that effort) that gets you noticed first and foremost, not your name. Nothing's stopping any of the people complaining about being ignored for this event from simply stepping up. Sometimes it doesn't work, even for the Skyes or Delphinuses of the world, but as long as you keep trying even the random Cyrenian novice can influence an event.

Lenn

How does that contradict the admin being fond of her? @Armali never claimed they liked her for her personality or anything.

Kiet

Because it's not about being fond of her, lol. It's about her putting more effort and creative energy into this event than most of the rest of us combined. That she shows up in a lot of events is simply because she does this repeatedly, that's my point.

If it were about being 'fond' of her, Skye wouldn't have events where she felt like she didn't get anywhere, and she's posted on forums about how it's happened to her before. You can't win them all, but giving up immediately means you win none.

Stuff like the Undinky Barrel is probably simply because someone finds her character fun to poke at, sure. But that's not exactly what influenced the event, lol.

Sobriquet

Kiet said:

did every cyrenian go to whine college or somethin? lots of people had fun with the event, we don't even know if this is the actual end of it (do you really think tsol'teth will hold staff games with literally no further plot or character progression?), half of cyrene got rewritten on extremely short notice,  and there were like 3 climaxes at once at one point.

But they've not changed a city emote in a few days, this is clearly not good enough... 

Telendrieth

I mean.. there were aspects of the event I disliked, sure. As a whole? I like the devastation and destruction wrought because it gives fuel to further the growth of my character. Telendrieth has developed some extremely radical views on the traitor states, Targossas especially. On top of that, I met some people I would otherwise not have interacted with in the slightest.

As someone who IS Cyrenian, the whining or straight up refusal to understand the scope of things just infuriating at times. I've seen citizens downplay it and say the city was "Flourishing", and others try and come from the angle of we should value the ties people have of families in the traitor states. Thankfully those people are a stark minority, they just also happen to be the people who shout.. pretty often.. IC and OOC. I get if this sort of thing isn't your jam, but go play slime rancher for a while as people are given something amazing and rarely experienced in this game. Legit though, slime rancher is good, go play that shit to take the edge off. 

Jinos

I mean... the effort Skye put into her shop alone before any of this happened has always astounded me.

The Dinky Barrel is a shop people mention. A lot. Then to have it seized by the Tsol'teth during the siege of Cyrene, ticking off a devoted and irate shopkeeper. That makes for a fun subplot regardless of who it is.

Skye

I just want to say that if I got my 'cool anime arc', Hailqas'an and I would have been emoting waving cooking knives and skillets at each other before I force her to submit with rainbows and lightbeams cascading from her mouth at my cooking. Instead she went and off'd herself.

I also hit a bunch of dead-ends in this event and talked at a bunch of denizens who never bothered replying same as anyone else. I also know that I definitely wasn't the original choice for holding the macguffin, I actually  had to insist that I could do it because they kept subtly pointing out that I was the wrong class.

And actually I did complain. A bit. Same as anyone else. Partly because I play in a difficult timezone to get in on anything without sacrificing sleep. But just complaining and grousing doesn't do anything, so I had to tackle things from multiple angles even while waiting for one angle to pan out, I'd still be looking at others.

Incidentally on the subject of being a favourite and so always showing up in events. I actually appear in another events post on an alt. Not because I suddenly appeared and denizens started talking at me because I'm some sort of golden player. There were no denizens, it was a bloody melee. But I happened to be looking at the right thing, at the right time and got the command in first.

Sometimes that's all it takes. A whole lot of attention to your surroundings and a little bit of luck.

Mindshell

Kiet said:
Do you think Skye rose from the ocean in a clamshell with her first events honours line? 

I do now! Going to figure out how to make this canon.

Kaedan

Skye said:

I just want to say that if I got my 'cool anime arc', Hailqas'an and I would have been emoting waving cooking knives and skillets at each other before I force her to submit with rainbows and lightbeams cascading from her mouth at my cooking. Instead she went and off'd herself.

Isn't it usually clothes ripping apart and/or some sort of illusory, metaphorical scene change?

Skye

Being naked in Cyrene is a violation of their code of common decency, although I think the fact that it needed be said/written down at all is kinda... yeah.

So no, we couldn't have gotten any clothes ripping for our cook off. Some lasers and maybe some scene changes if they're not too lewd.

Synthus

@Skye
There was a golden opportunity missed here for you to be able to shout "My frying pan is the frying pan that will pierce the firmament!" I am saddened that you will not get that chance.

Mathonwy

anime suuuuuuuuuuucks

Mathonwy

Also, and perhaps more importantly, I would imagine the admin pay attention to people who are actively engaged with the game, and who, in roleplay-intensive events, are roleplay-intensive characters. Nobody's forcing you to idle at Centre Crossing (or, in my case, the battlements), but neither of us should be surprised when we're not chosen to be the next contestant on Achaea's Got Talent, either.

Minifie

         

Asmodron

Mathonwy said:

anime suuuuuuuuuuucks

This requires immediate flagging and permanent banning...