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  • DecronDecron
    Nevermind, sorry for my ramblings..
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  • AhmetAhmet Wherever I wanna be
    Not strictly combat, more hunting related, but someone (*cough* @klendathu *cough*) explain how I can have Anthem, Gigue, Continuo, Wassail and Canticle up and get absolutely destroyed by something, but lose all those, and just have Pax up, which goes off maybe twice a minute for a few seconds, and do absolutely fine against the same thing. Fucking Pax. 
    Huh. Neat.
  • KlendathuKlendathu Eye of the Storm
    Ahmet said:
    Not strictly combat, more hunting related, but someone (*cough* @klendathu *cough*) explain how I can have Anthem, Gigue, Continuo, Wassail and Canticle up and get absolutely destroyed by something, but lose all those, and just have Pax up, which goes off maybe twice a minute for a few seconds, and do absolutely fine against the same thing. Fucking Pax. 
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  • AntoniusAntonius
    Depends what it is. If it has one big attack and a number of smaller ones, could be that you just had bad luck with it using that one big attack more often, or a few times in a row, the first time. Could also be crits allowing you to kill it faster the second time.

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  • DecronDecron
    I actually haven't played much before I returned so I really don't know what reflexes skill was really... anyone wanna tell me?
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  • DunnDunn
    Faster balance.


  • DecronDecron
    aha... alright thanks @Dunn
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  • BreanBrean
    Is the sawbones trait essential/really really important for limb based combat?
  • AntoniusAntonius
    It's not essential. If you have a decent limb counter that you can trust and some experience you can definitely live without it, just like people did before the trait. Plus at least a couple of the Knight specialisations get it as a class ability.

    It does help if you don't have either of those things though.

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  • DecronDecron
    What would be the best non artie weapon to use with Maul?
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  • AtalkezAtalkez

    Decron said:
    What would be the best non artie weapon to use with Maul?

    I thought you were BM >.<




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  • DecronDecron
    I decided to go back being a sentinel, I enjoy the rp of it. (I still have my sword though)
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  • DunnDunn
    What do you mean weapon to use with maul?


  • CynlaelCynlael
    edited June 2015
    Decron said:
    What would be the best non artie weapon to use with Maul?
    -not- using Maul would be the best. Learn skirmishing and use thrust instead, it's substantially better for hunting. Even with minimal lessons in skirmishing it pretty vastly outdoes Maul.

  • TharvisTharvis The Land of Beer and Chocolate!
    (Is maul even adjusted by the weapon you're using?)
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  • DecronDecron
    Sorry I thought you were able to use a small weapon for extra damage when your in a morph like jaguar or hyena.


    thanks @Cynlael  for the info
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  • DecronDecron
    edited June 2015
    I guess I can't make up my mind and im afraid of messing up, Does the blademaster class do more damage then the Sentinel? @Sena seeing how people ask you for help on this kind of stuff.... what do you think?
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  • SenaSena
    edited June 2015
    The only way to mess up is to choose a class you don't like. Unless perhaps someone is holding your family hostage and will only return them if you reach dragon within a certain amount of time, it's not a big deal if one has 5% higher bashing DPS than another (and if that is the case, probably go runewarden).

    Also, I don't have any details on sentinel bashing damage.
  • TaelTael
    Bashing damage is, by design, pretty similar across the board.

    You will do just fine bashing as any class. You're not going to be missing out on anything bashing as one class versus another. You should not choose a class based on bashing.

    Choose a class you like the flavour of and, assuming you're going to do player combat at some point, you might want to try to get an idea of how the different classes work (the class-specific forums are a good source of information for that, as is asking the many knowledgeable people in-game). But since you don't have any real way of knowing what style of combat you'll like, mostly you should just go with whatever flavour appeals to you.
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  • TherisTheris
    I feel like the classes aren't equal in terms of bashing, though. Yes, the DPS has been standardized, but some classes are still much better due to inequalities in tanking ability. For example, jester has little to mitigate damage (slipperiness and scalemail for damage reduction, priestess tarot for active healing), but sylvan has a ton of stuff that helps out with bashing (chainmail, barkskin, viridian, and flail staff for damage reduction; passive healing from propagating bloodroot to [I forget where] and evoke vigour; passive curing from evoke panacea; ability to self-resurrect). There are also inequalities aside from tankiness--for example, blademasters and monks have mindnet, which allows them to bash open-PK zones much more safely.
  • TaelTael
    edited June 2015
    There are inequalities. Some classes are better at bashing than others. It remains true, however, that you will do just fine bashing as any class.

    Choosing a class specifically because it's slightly better at bashing is still pretty questionable advice for a relative newbie, unless you're already certain that that's all you're going to be doing - and even then you probably still want something where the flavour and RP appeals to you.

    It's not so much that the classes are equal as it is that the inequality in bashing is not a huge thing for most people. In terms of bashing, obviously not every class is equally optimal, but all of the classes are viable. And unless you end up as one of the relatively few people who absolutely love bashing to the exclusion of all other activities, viable should be good enough.

    And the bashing gameplay of every class is still basically the same. Though it's more interesting now with battlerage, you're not going to feel hugely different bashing as a sentinel versus a blademaster - the flavour will be different, the attack speed will be different, but other than that, it's pretty much the same thing, sometimes with one or two alterations and maybe a defensive ability or two to deal with. In terms of PvP, however, there are massive differences between how different classes play. And flavour/RP obviously differs a lot too.
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  • MizikMizik
    Sentinel has higher tanking (Barkskin + Chainmail), can wield SoA and has higher DPS.

    It is in every way better for bashing. 
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  • CynlaelCynlael
    BM/Sham still bottom of the dps by a decent margin for sure. Whereas Sentinel is one of the highest right now.

  • MizikMizik
    Tanking is the key now for bashing, since our damage output is the sameish, while the fights are extended.

    So Blademaster's piss poor dps is now compounded by the fact that it has garbage damage resist for the now extended battles. And still, it still can't wield SoA.
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  • SarathaiSarathai
    Mizik said:
    Tanking is the key now for bashing, since our damage output is the sameish, while the fights are extended.
    This. I'm pretty sure that just about everybody who relied on their attack speed to kill things before the changes will have run into all sorts of problems, because they're now finding out that no, they couldn't actually tank the areas they bashed.

    Theris said:
    ability to self-resurrect
    If you mean with Groves, it's once every fifteen minutes or so, and if you're off-plane or otherwise unable to access your grove you'll run into problems (meaning that in some cases, you'll want to have Portability). Although it's still probably the best basher of the three forestal classes, at a guess (where Sylvan > Sentinel > Druid).
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  • CynlaelCynlael
    Debatable.
    Once you're at a high enough level, the added tankiness of Sylvan will be unnecessary. Sentinel most definitely best of the forestal bashers, if you've balanced your str/con - Sylvan windwhip isn't exceptionally powerful - better than thornrend, but slower (rend also destroys willpower still in extended hunting)

    Sentinel > (closely behind) Sylvan > (lulzy behind) Druid. Maul sucks. Horribly.
    Sentinel dps (and flat damage) was a ton higher than Sylvan when I was testing it out... Sentinel with ~14str, Sylvan with 18int in Viridian. Sentinel still won out.

  • JarrodJarrod
    Fully artied Serpent is probably the best basher by a large margin, but that's very costly to get to.
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  • SarathaiSarathai
    Cynlael said:
    Debatable.
    Once you're at a high enough level, the added tankiness of Sylvan will be unnecessary.
    At a high enough level it sort of depends on where you're hunting, though. I'd definitely take Sylvan tankiness over Sentinel speed for bashing something like Catacombs or Unsidhe/Kelpies, if I ever bashed seriously in lesserform nowadays (which I don't because Druid bashing is terrible). But if I was just planning on rolling over Sirocco Fortress I'd go with speed.
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    - With sharp, crackling tones, Kyrra tells you, "The ladies must love you immensely."
    - (Eleusian Ranger Techs): Savira says, "Most of the hard stuff seem to have this built in code like: If adventurer_hitting_me = "Sarathai" then send("terminate and selfdestruct")."
    - Makarios says, "Serve well and perish."
    - Xaden says, "Xaden confirmed scrub 2017."



  • CynlaelCynlael
    ^ This. Bard also in the running for that title, I'd say... Both are absurdly strong when you get decked.

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