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  • edited April 2015
    Golgotha makes them immune to banishment/orb while they're same room as you, minion (Dameron) makes other entities immune while it's alive/present in room
  • Who cares, though? Shits literally die in 2 shots.
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  • Does Battlefury Focus affect only the next attack or all attacks until Battlefury is regained? It is possible with artefact hammers to get balance back before battlefury with focus speed so if you hit again, does the effect still get applied?

    I have been trying to test it myself but my latency is so long and varies so much I can not seem to get any consistent data out of it. @Makarios

  • Pretty sure it only applies to the next attack. That's how it seemed to be working before the balance was lowered, anyway.
  • I was pretty sure as well, but the data implies this is not the case. Would be better if someone with a shorter and more stable latency can check this. Or if battlefury can be shortened a bit so it does not happen.

  • ShirszaeShirszae Santo Domingo
    From what I recall, it only affects the next attack, and only if the attack doesnt come too long after it. If you delay it too long, then it wont have any effect.

    At least it seemed to work that way when I tested it back when I was infernal.

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  • Does remedies give a sip bonus like old concoctions did?
  • Talysin said:
    Does remedies give a sip bonus like old concoctions did?
    No.
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  • edited April 2015
    Is there an actual balance reason why shields going down don't give a message or is this just a legacy thing like the lack of a message for when tree balance is back?
  • Ooh, good idea!
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  • Got denied a couple of classlead rounds ago, can't remember the reason given. I think it was just a "we're happy with how this is working" kind of thing. No real reason I can think of that shield dropping shouldn't have a message, though only really benefits automation so probably not going to be a priority for change.

    Of course Mizik has a talent for getting things approved that have been denied in the past.
  • @Sena do you know how the bloodroot propagation to body regeneration works? Is it a level of regen or like a boar tat?
  • Looks like a level of regen.
  • What's the current state of knight combat like? I've been reading up on the spec threads, and I gathered that DC is only viable with an artie scimitar. 2h and S&B are viable, and DB is the worst? 

  • 2H is viable, though very tanky opponents are a bit of a problem since you can not damage them enough to really stick fractures properly. Also opponents that are good at hindering will break your momentum quite quickly and regain theirs much faster than you can.

    S&B seems solid, though not an option for Infernals due to horrible limb damage and lack of salve pressure.

    DC is good with Runie because of the locks possible through mana drain and decent for Paladin as well. For Infernal, I would say artefact scims are needed.

    Dual blunt is getting some changes, can not say at the moment.

  • @Sena What do the intelligence diminishing returns look like? If I have 18 intelligence and a level 2 collar, how much extra damage will I get if I get 1 more point of intelligence?
  • As a rough estimate, I'd expect going from 18 int to 19 int to increase your damage by about 3.1%. Maybe only 2.8%, depending on how collar stacks with int (it stacks multiplicatively against denizens, but should stack additively against players, though I'm not sure if it actually does).
  • Arador said:
    2H is viable, though very tanky opponents are a bit of a problem since you can not damage them enough to really stick fractures properly. Also opponents that are good at hindering will break your momentum quite quickly and regain theirs much faster than you can.

    S&B seems solid, though not an option for Infernals due to horrible limb damage and lack of salve pressure.

    DC is good with Runie because of the locks possible through mana drain and decent for Paladin as well. For Infernal, I would say artefact scims are needed.

    Dual blunt is getting some changes, can not say at the moment.
    S&b for infernals is totally viable for infernal. With base 15 str and fury up on the dsb, you can get more than enough pre-damage through weapon attacks, deathaura, and ginseng affs for a kill. S&b comes with an out-of-the-box setup for dsb, as well. Vivisect is not all infernal has.

    Though speaking of Vivisect, you can trample vivi off a focus lock which is pretty easy to do while simultaneously prepping limbs for dsb. It's harder against fitness, but definitely viable.
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  • edited April 2015
    Runies and Paladins are better at damage pressure than Infernal so don't see why you would go Infernal over those two. The only reason why Infernal is dangerous with DSB is that you can force them to restore to avoid the Vivisect, making the tumble off impale impossible.

    Without that threat, I really do not see why you would realistically choose Infernal for DSB when the other two can do it better. True, Vivisect is not all Infernal has but the fact that it has it in the arsenal, even if not using it, just the threat of it forces your opponent to play to your advantage. If there is no threat of it, it is like fighting a less damaging Runie or Paladin. Big Whoop.

    Edit: And yes, there are a few options where you might get lucky and get off a Vivisect, but nothing decently reliable at all.

  • AerekAerek East Tennessee, USA
    DSL Infernal is still great, because the Vivisect/DSB fork pretty much guarantees death if they have enough STR (with gauntlets) to touch the 90-100% mark on Disembowels w/ torso damage. With such a strong finisher, it's completely justified that Infernal doesn't do as much damage as Paladin/Runewarden during the prep sequences.

    2H Infernal is great because Gravehands makes escaping almost a futile effort, and because Deathaura is additional health pressure that's more consistent than Demons or Hugalaz procs over time, and still has some Vivisect options. I haven't actually fought an Infernal 2H'er yet, but I don't look forward to it.

    S&B doesn't have the best Vivisect setup, but it can still do it, and it doesn't really need it to begin with. S&B is pretty strong no matter what class you are, and Infernal's Infestation adds onto S&B's already-strongest affliction potential of the Knight specs.

    DWB would be the only Knight spec I'm not sure about. I know it was tweaked so that a Pulp/Vivisect fork wasn't trivially easy, but it still seems like you should be able to force that fork with some extra setup. Haven't really thought about it.

    I can't honestly say that I feel any of the Knights are better or worse than the others, anymore. Runewarden feels like it might be the "easiest" option with its better damage output and faster limb breaks across the board, but Paladin and Infernals both have alternative kill options for most specs that I still envy. Feels like the three are all in good places, with small strengths and weaknesses to differentiate them from each other.
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  • Did Serpents get any changes this classlead round? If so, could you post them here please? Thank you :)
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  • So, how is new monk faring? Has it returned monk to its days of 1v1 glory or perhaps merely made it more viable? How competitive is new monk relative to, say, bard or jester or shaman or BM?
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  • 6550h, 5735m, 32570e, 27871w xcdbk- 03:19:04.50 
    Aelios ceases to prop up a tall totem pole.
    Aelios is violently yanked away by an invisible force.
    Kuy tries to leave, but you block him from moving that way.
    You feel a violent yank as a force takes a hold of you.
    Kuy stops you from moving that way.
    6550h, 5735m, 32570e, 27871w xcdbk- 03:19:04.71 

    Doubleblock but Aelios got hit by it? Eigen and Carmell were also blocking. What is this?

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  • Did he get moved? Prop can be interrupted by movement attempt, I thought.

  • Yeah he got moved. Other people got moved through 4+ blocking too.

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  • TharvisTharvis The Land of Beer and Chocolate!
    Tesha said:
    Yeah he got moved. Other people got moved through 4+ blocking too.
    bug it? Because that sounds like a bug
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  • edited May 2015
    Why does server curing prioritize herbs? As in, it'll only focus when off herb balance.
  • TharvisTharvis The Land of Beer and Chocolate!
    Vakvyr said:
    Why does server curing prioritize herbs?
    @Vakvyr do this : CURING TRANSMUTATION ON
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