Wheel Of Fortune! What Did You Get?

Elipise

Trey said:

Elipise said:

mayan crown
a featureless ice figurine x2
albatross
250 lesson gain
prismatic token

I don't usually splurge on myself, and I really wanted one of those pets.. I can be happy with a mount (though seriously, if anyone wants to give away a pet, I'll take it.. ><)

Which pet are you looking for?

I'm hoping for a glider, but will be happy with any of them, they're so gosh darned cute!

Ahmet

Remind me why these forums don't have a :salt: smiley please

Tahquil

@Daeir : Your question was very specific though and for that certain specific question the answer was and still is 'No'. Assumptions are very dangerous things to make especially since your question was so specific.

Rather kind for Tecton to give you a free spin when he had no obligation to do anything. He's also entitled to defend himself and his staff when being lambasted on the forums and give the public both sides of what occurred.

Jukilian

This isn't the first time the admin have come in and given a trade-in value to rewards before. I think it's safe to assume that nothing ever has a value of 0.

The fact that they don't swap the excess mounts for tokens makes sense as you could then go on and spin up like a veil of the Sphinx or str gauntlets or something. Next thing, you'd have everyone wanting to do the same to get a better chance at getting the bigger rewards.

Szanthax

So I'm sitting here at my computer thinking "I could transfer him the credits he 'lost' out on and he'd be happy"... and I was just about to..

and then i thought about all the 'credits' i lost because i was buying the orbs or spins instead of actually buying the credits. I've probably spend about.. what... $2k?... doing just stupid gambling promotions. What have I gotten? Like... maybe the amount of whatever I would have spent? Maybe? And what do I /need/ from the gambling promotions? Nothing... absolutely nothing. They are just fun. Oh!!! A new talisman I'll never get because I don't care bout it! But I wants it! I wants it alls!

So I buy like.. a couple spins... why?? Why??! Do I need a veil? no... I know they chances are slim... but maybe I can trade it in? .. nope.. I didn't get any artefacts to trade in ha.

Anyways.. dude... @Daeir.. what amount of credits would make you happy over the lost of the mounts.. 

And what did you get with the free token :pleased: 


anyways... drunk me says *LET THEM FIGHT" .. .FIGHT!... fight.... FIIIIGHT!!!!

Ahmet

I feel like it would have been more of a bullshit move if this happened much later into the promotion, as it was, we weren't even 20% of the way into the promotion when the administration took the best steps they could to remedy what seems to have been a mistake on their part, without changing drop rates to screw over those who have already spun. The value of items changes all the bloody time. If you sold off something for next to nothing and suddenly there was a demand for it the next day for a completely unrelated reason *cough*housingchanges*cough* *cough*forgingchanges*cough* *cough*talismanpieces*cough* you would still be unhappy. I see what they did as the best solution to a mistake, and while you may have lost out, that's entirely your fault for selling CRATED MOUNTS WITH LUPINE COLLARS AND BADGES OF RETURNING FOR ANYTHING LESS THAN THIRTY CREDITS.

You people are mental. <--- not directed at Daeir, directed at everyone selling these for anything low.

Ismay

I -try- to wait until half of a promotion is gone before I buy, if I'm planning to in the first place. It gives time for everything to settle down and any changes to be implemented.

Nataliia

1. Every time there is a promotion, someone bitches about something.
2. People seem to forget these didn't used to exist, they are for our benefit. (aka quitcherbitchin')
3. Globes, talismans, the wheel, and other-similar-promos are considered GAMBLING folks. You don't go to Vegas, decide to blow a wad of cash, and then whine at the roulette attendant because you put your bet on black and red won and you feel it was unfair since you were so close to winning (50/50 chance and all) and spent your real life money to play a game.
4. If you want a sure bet, credits are ALWAYS for sale. Buy those instead.
5. The admin team works their asses off, as is evident by the fact that they come up with all of this on a regular basis. Try to be grateful once in a while.
6. If you give your shit away for dirt, that's on you. Try exacting a little patience.

Honestly, I'm more frustrated that the mounts got a value assigned at all when they *were* selling for 80-100 credits. The trade-in value that gives 33 credits made the market value plummet instantly. Were there a ton of them? Sure were. But at least it wasn't ridiculously low for, like @Ahmet said, for a COLLARED and BADGED mount. (I do get that giving them a trade-in value that's low keeps the game from paying out 166 credits for every mount as if they'd value it at the price of a collar.) Not understanding economics really isn't anyone's fault but your own if you sell when supply is way higher than demand.

Sanna

Nataliia said:

Honestly, I'm more frustrated that the mounts got a value assigned at all when they *were* selling for 80-100 credits. The trade-in value that gives 33 credits made the market value plummet instantly. Were there a ton of them? Sure were. But at least it wasn't ridiculously low for, like @Ahmet said, a COLLARED and BADGED mount. (I do get that giving them a trade-in value that's low keeps the game from paying out 166 credits for every mount as if they'd value it at the price of a collar.) Not understanding economics really isn't anyone's fault but your own if you sell when supply is way higher than demand.

I agree with the first half, but how would a price floor affect their price if it was at 80-100 credits? 

Shirszae

Experience, experience, experience, augmented critical hits, augmented critical hits. 

Still hoping...

Anedhel

I gooooot 25cr and a pitch pail, a crown, one token, crab, albatross, and 250 lessons with five tokens. I'm pretty okay with that

Kayeil

The mounts sold maybe that high on the first day, and MAYBE the second day, but their value plummeted fast. Honestly, I think the mounts were given a value higher than they'd have now considering how frequently they were being won and still are.

Atalkez

I sold a crab for 100c. The next three days I couldn't sell a crab, albatross, or a lizard. I gave three crates away because of that. Price plummeted to non existent pretty fast.

Nataliia

@Sanna more than 30 like it is now

So basically the mounts got a stamped "valued" of 50 credits. But because the trade-in value is 33, people dropped it to 30 trying to offer the appeal of having unbound credits instead. Silly, frankly. If the value is set at 50, why more people aren't trying to get at least 50 is beyond me. It's basic common sense to ask for the value, not below, or just slightly below if you're trying to undercut people to sell yours. Not drastically below. There's supposed to be an appeal to selling them over market as opposed to giving in to a trade-in to just get something instead of nothing.

And again, yeah, prices plummet when supply is greater than demand. That's where the patience I mentioned comes in. :P

Sanna

Nataliia said:

@Sanna more than 30 like it is now :pleased: 

So basically the mounts got a stamped "valued" of 50 credits. But because the trade-in value is 33, people dropped it to 30 trying to offer the appeal of having unbound credits instead. Silly, frankly. If the value is set at 50, why more people aren't trying to get at least 50 is beyond me. It's basic common sense to ask for the value, not below, or just slightly below if you're trying to undercut people to sell yours. Not drastically below. There's supposed to be an appeal to selling them over market as opposed to giving in to a trade-in to just get something instead of nothing.

I agree that's what is happening. But if there really was demand for them at 100 credits, they would have stayed there regardless of the tradein value. Of course, there wasn't. Just pointing out a flawed attribution of causation. 

Klendathu

Sanna said:

Nataliia said:

@Sanna more than 30 like it is now :pleased: 

So basically the mounts got a stamped "valued" of 50 credits. But because the trade-in value is 33, people dropped it to 30 trying to offer the appeal of having unbound credits instead. Silly, frankly. If the value is set at 50, why more people aren't trying to get at least 50 is beyond me. It's basic common sense to ask for the value, not below, or just slightly below if you're trying to undercut people to sell yours. Not drastically below. There's supposed to be an appeal to selling them over market as opposed to giving in to a trade-in to just get something instead of nothing.

I agree that's what is happening. But if there really was demand for them at 100 credits, they would have stayed there regardless of the tradein value. Of course, there wasn't. Just pointing out a flawed attribution of causation. 

Some people would prefer unbound credits to bound credits. There are some of us who are willing to buy the unwanted mounts at just below trade-in value purely to trade them in - the seller gets a quick sale for unbound credits, I make a modest profit on the transaction. It's not for everyone, I know that, but it echoes the real world model used by companies like WeBuyAnyCar (US / UK)

Sanna

Not sure why you quoted me, that has nothing to do with what I said. I understand the appeal of buying and selling below tradein for unbound. I was originally saying that having a tradein value would -never- lower the price of something. 

Dochitha

Look, yall trade them in and you never know next month you can have your pets hunt with you, actually hitting the mobs, and the mobs will hit your pets.

Things change, progress, decisions made in the light of speed, anytime, in a snap of a finger. They are all for the better and we celebrate.

Boral

 Lesson gain and many afflictions and a maggoting. It was a bit disheartening to watch someone spam spin twenty plus times to get the bonus.

Trey

Daeir said:

Pin it down to "salt" as much as you like. I just hope it doesn't happen to you. And I mean that. This is a pretty awful thing to be getting in exchange for your own money.

It's been said before but it bears repeating. This is as much gambling as any of the other promos. The fact that you're not happy with a decision you made with what you got for your spins is irrelevant. If you don't treat money spent on gambling as entertainment rather than some sort of investment, you're going to find yourself both disappointed and potentially in trouble.

EDIT: The fact that @Tecton looked past your rant and said to himself "hey, he's pretty disappointed, I'll toss him a token to cheer him up" is pretty cool too, not something to scorn when he clarifies something you said that was misleading. 

Antidas

Trey said:

Daeir said:

Pin it down to "salt" as much as you like. I just hope it doesn't happen to you. And I mean that. This is a pretty awful thing to be getting in exchange for your own money.

It's been said before but it bears repeating. This is as much gambling as any of the other promos. The fact that you're not happy with a decision you made with what you got for your spins is irrelevant. If you don't treat money spent on gambling as entertainment rather than some sort of investment, you're going to find yourself both disappointed and potentially in trouble.

EDIT: The fact that @Tecton looked past your rant and said to himself "hey, he's pretty disappointed, I'll toss him a token to cheer him up" is pretty cool too, not something to scorn when he clarifies something you said that was misleading. 

For the record, I'm pretty sure he's not upset about what he got from gambling. The problem, from what I understand from glancing over this thread, is that he feels the administration should have made it more clear that they were considering giving the mounts a base value when he asked a what was admittedly an overly specific question, before he sold off a bunch of his for a massive loss.

Seems to me that, yeah, Daeir probably should have been a been a bit more general with his question rather than assume that Tecton's answer to the question at hand encompassed not only an exchange for tokens but also a general floor value for the pets. You know what they say about "assume" and all that.

That said, if setting a trade-in value was something they were considering at the time of message, Tecton probably could have reasoned why Daeir was asking about exchanging the mounts for tokens, and simply told him that they were thinking about giving them a trade-in value.

No one is entirely innocent here as far as I can tell, but its done now, so lets move on.

Atalkez

Tecton is innocent because Tecton makes the rules.

Learn how to politic, @Antidas!

Matias

So if the admin decide to give trade-in value, they should announce it and wait? Or should they just put it straight in as I guess happened.

It is far more likely that Tecton saw the annoyance at the drop rate and decided to put in the trade value, than they decided it days beforehand (and thus giving time to post that a change to it is coming), and then just waited before implementing it.

Salek

Figured I deserved a present to myself and that surely my luck would be good on Achaea, if not in real life! So I have a few days of eating pot noodles and spaghetti instead of real food for a chance at something.

Got lottery tickets, a skunk kit and a couple of bound credits....

... am saddened at this. But these things happen, I guess. My fault.

Valkyn

@Salek the lottery tickets are worth 2 bound credits per at the end of the promo if you don't win. That's 20, and you don't get 'a couple', so you should have at least 100 credits out of all that, sounds like it'd be more like 150, because that's only three, so some of them must have been twice.

My luck has been pretty bad with the wheel compared to a lot of people, but I'm still getting at least my credit value back out of them.

Salek

@Valkyn Yeah, I have 61 Bound Credits, it seems at the moment and it was two lots of lottery tickets. Much better than a kick in the teeth, I'd say!
Don't get me wrong: not complaining at all.

Elipise

You deftly spin a large, prismatic Wheel of Fortune. It begins whirling rapidly, emanating a loud, 

clacking noise.

Your race is now that of Maggot.

A large, prismatic Wheel of Fortune slows down to a halt, rewarding you with maggoting.

(svof): Your max health decreased by 2886h/78% to 818.

(svof): Your max mana decreased by 2664m/77% to 818.

"Woot!" you shout excitedly.

You say in a tender voice, "Just what I wanted... to be a magot."

You say in a tender voice, "Again."

Ryzeth

Got increased crit hits the past two days..

Got maggoted again today, caved in and bought 5 spins.

250 lessons,
Albatross,
Token,
250 lessons,
Crab,
37 credits. (from won token)

All in all, not bad I think. 500 lessons is $24, 37 credits is ~$15, 66 credits from trading in mounts is another ~$25.
Even if I keep the crab, still got more than I paid for. I do need lessons.

Dunn

Token
Crate
Dex boots
Crate
Raffle tickets
Crown

for 15 token investment, I have made out like a bandit. 

Tolan

I got lucky today. Free spin got me a token. Token spin got me an albatross.