Mining and Legions

Dochitha

Do we have the option to COLLAPSE MINE #.

In the case where we have the max of 2 mines built, and then a more attractive lode shows up, we can actually decide to collapse an existing mine and construct a new one somewhere else.

Ruth

Alternatively, you can take out your miners from said mine and let it collapse naturally.

Tharvis

Ruth said:

Alternatively, you can take out your miners from said mine and let it collapse naturally.

please please let this also remove the lode. I have been going crazy with how many people leave lodes at 90%

Tharvis

"As of now, the village comm system has undergone a radical change in that the only commodities now 

provided by it are wood, rope, leather, and cloth."

@Sarapis what about Lacquer?

Dochitha

MINE UPGRADE while inside your mine allows you to upgrade your mine. You must possess the iron and woods required for the upgrade.

Sarapis

Tharvis said:

"As of now, the village comm system has undergone a radical change in that the only commodities now 

provided by it are wood, rope, leather, and cloth."

@Sarapis what about Lacquer?

Oops, yes, and lacquer.

Alrena

I'm kinda hoping this maximum of 2 mines per person sticks around. It forces people to think about what to mine, gives more people a chance to get a mine and means you'll need to interact or buy more from others because you can't go and mine everything yourself.

Bronislav

Soooo...About those Fissure mines...

Sarapis

@Alrena Well, if mining continues to be this popular, that probably will be the case. I assume it won't though, and that interest will reduce some over time.

Bronislav

Also, in regard to partially-mined-out mines: I've seen lodes that are mostly mined out and abandoned from prior attacks that have just been...Sitting there, for a while. Will they eventually be cleared out in favor of some sweet new mines?

Because I need some sweet new mines. :frown: @Sarapis plz.

Sarapis

Well, what we're likely to do there is scale mine startup costs to how much is left in the lode, allowing people to profitably go after partly mined-out lodes. But that change is unlikely to happen until next week due to the team heading to Vegas.

Bronislav

@Sarapis Thanks a bunch. Will it hold up the spawning of new lodes?  

Sarapis

Well that depends on how many of them are out there! Eventually, I bet some people will get desperate and start mining them anyway though.

Bronislav

I've counted a dozen abandoned mines so far. I'm getting to the point of desperation, myself!  

Sarapis

Definitely clear that a more graceful method of 'cleanup' is required.

Ahmet

@Sarapis oops quoted the wrong thing

Are comm shops like blackrock still going to be buying commodities?

Skye

Need more wood All this mining aside, the stocking of wood can't keep up with demands for other things like housing etc now. Mainland prices have more than doubled and CM LIST WOOD just makes me angry. 

Melodie

After doing a full sweep, I think it's safe to say that coal is probably choking out other kinds of lodes. I imagine it could use a bit of a tune down, or perhaps if there's some sort of chances system in the code, make it so if another lode exempting coal chances at the same time a coal lode chances a location (untaken location, that is), then the other lode "wins". Or something.

Either way, so much coal, not enough of other things!

Greys

@Skye Even in the villages I have seen people buy wood at prices that make me wonder how they expect to turn a profit. Right now, I think a lot of people are getting into it at unsustainable levels. Gradually, their gold reserves will start being depleted and things should return closer to normalcy. Still, wood production may need further tweeking given the overall increase in consumption which should increase as the other commodities need to be mined.

@Melodie Well shouldn't there be almost as much coal as all other spots combined?

Skye

@Melodie It's a bit random I think. About 12 hours ago there was a surge of gold lodes and very little coal to be found. I think Daeir and I found about 3 or 4 large-ish gold lodes with small ones here and there. 

Melodie

Depressing. I wanted gold.

Inuad

Greys said:

@Skye Even in the villages I have seen people buy wood at prices that make me wonder how they expect to turn a profit. Right now, I think a lot of people are getting into it at unsustainable levels. Gradually, their gold reserves will start being depleted and things should return closer to normalcy. Still, wood production may need further tweeking given the overall increase in consumption which should increase as the other commodities need to be mined.

@Melodie Well shouldn't there be almost as much coal as all other spots combined?

Definitely agree with the first point (though certain lodes, like iron, could be profitable with higher wood prices). I honestly expect prices to drop as the inital craze of OMFG MINES!!!!! wears off. The production rate of wood is very high already. I'm not sure increasing the production would help with people buying it out, especially people prospecting it in Delos, at least in the short term.

With regard to coal and spots, I don't think there should be an equal amount. Coal mines produce a large sum of coal, even on small lodes. You could easily get between 2-10k from a coal mine, whereas things like iron may only produce 1-5k (these numbers are rough approximations, but I believe applicable). 

Bronislav

Comm shops still sell gemstones and platinum. I may be a very biased opinion, but this should change.

Sarapis

Skye said:

Need more wood All this mining aside, the stocking of wood can't keep up with demands for other things like housing etc now. Mainland prices have more than doubled and CM LIST WOOD just makes me angry. 

I adjust things, but gradually. Been increasing wood production lately.

Inuad

Bronislav said:

Comm shops still sell gemstones and platinum. I may be a very biased opinion, but this should change.

The shops seem to still sell anything they have in stock, but do not produce any further commodities. So if a shop has 1500 gems they'll sit there until they're bought out (or until @Sarapis and co decide to remove them).

Alaskar

I thought the over abundance of coal was intended. It produces a less valuable (targeted) mine for people to start with so they can gain their legion experience, feel out the system, and perhaps even break even profit-wise, while also ensuring that there's an adequate supply of coal for refining.

Siduri

Yeah, I've no issues with the massive amount of coal lodes. It's useful to get started, not too valuable, still useful.

Only issue is that unfinished lodes should despawn (or demand less cost to construct, as you suggested), because there are many, many lodes mines at 90% that make it a big loss if you just want to clear some space.

Kald

Rather than be destroyed or otherwise removed, the mine should still exist when the person pulls his/her cohorts out. The mine should then be an open mine for anyone to claim. Since no one will build a mine on something 80/90% depleted. You'll just be wasting commodities.

Trevize

Kald said:

Rather than be destroyed or otherwise removed, the mine should still exist when the person pulls his/her cohorts out. The mine should then be an open mine for anyone to claim. Since no one will build a mine on something 80/90% depleted. You'll just be wasting commodities.

To build off of that, make it an abandoned mine, a unique state that requires the partial, scaling cost to re-open.

Greys

Interesting ideas with abandoned mines!