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No matter what the divine do, someone is going to automate something in the process of playing Achaea. That's useful because game developers can look at what parts of Achaea players tend to automate and determine whether they are too tedious (old forging) and/or not fun. But the degree of automation can also be limited by enforcement against certain types of pervasive automation to increase engagement and separate the chaff from the wheat, so to speak.
When you make posts like this one, it doesn't help that cause.
Album of Bluef during her time in Achaea
The heavy use of automation is the number one thing that has caused our combat system to be viewed as inaccessible to newbies because it raises the level of performance of those using heavy automation to the point where it's impossible to compete without it. It's as if everybody playing online chess was running Deep Blue (or whatever the modern equivalent is), and so nobody, not even the world's best chess players, can compete unless they also use automation. Automation has dramatically raised the performance level required to compete.
Yeah, there's no going back and uber-simplifying the system at this point. It is what it is.
How would one create an alias to do this? Seems like that would solve a lot of problems from this thread, and if it doesn't, I'd at least like to know.
expandAlias("get money from pack")
send("give gold to Noak")
end
That is how I would do it. I think svo has a function to get the gmcp room players list too. Making a gold was dropped script is basically just triggering a variable for the gold was dropped line.
All in all it should be no longer than 9 lines to trigger a give Noak gold if he is in the room when gold is dropped.
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One of the symptoms of an approaching nervous breakdown is the belief that one's work is terribly important
Prior to permaban, you could hang the bodies of offending characters at the Minia shed, with a conspiracy of crows picking their bodies and reputations apart.
Add an honours line, similar to the "This cantankerous so-and-so has issued everyone" honours line. Maybe there could be a quest to remove it.
I worry we might otherwise lose half the PoM
It's also the sort of thing that only someone who doesn't make a remarkable amount of money says, in order to cover up his raging insecurity. I have a number of actually very wealthy friends and aquaintances - people who sold companies for half a billion dollars+, early investors in Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and Uber, etc. Not one of them would ever say something so unbelievably asinine.
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One of the symptoms of an approaching nervous breakdown is the belief that one's work is terribly important
sorry. Was just reading back through the thread and saw this.
I'm not saying that automated curing hasn't basically become required, but it hasn't made it harder to compete at all. Automation is a huge equaliser, it massively lowers the barrier to entry and reduces the player skill necessary to become good at PvP, as long as the automation is easily available (and with server-side curing/queuing/aliases now, the bulk of it is available without scripts to everyone, enough so that no client-side automation is necessary now). I wasn't much involved in combat back then, but I don't remember a time where combat was being balanced around automated curing but curing systems weren't being widely distributed yet (which is the only situation where it would have been a problem; it's not the automation itself that makes it hard for those without automation to compete, but rather the fact that combat has to be balanced around the assumption that everyone is curing instantly, so it was only after that balancing happened that automation became required).
These days, with GMCP, Regex, Lua, whatever people are using, semi-automated offense that checks for what your opponent has eaten...Seftin shared a dstab script with me that made me feel like such a noob.
You gotta figure, combat systems back in the day, especially on like Zmud 3.1, were just a collection of triggers that were highly exploitable by illusions. Even the "advanced" old systems like ACP could be completely broken and go into spastic loops with a good illusion.
One of the things that kept combat more accessible in the early days was that one of the major ways to beat someone was to just hit them with more afflictions than they could keep up with using macros. Nobody cures manually as well as an automated system does. The kind of ultra-optimized combat you see today wasn't necessary because it didn't really matter - you had to be focused on curing afflictions, which is simple and easily understandable. Compare that to even setting up the server-side curing to work well for you - the former is much less complex.
In this environment today, where everybody uses automation, yes, automation lowers the barrier to entry and is required because the barrier to entry is otherwise so high. The barrier was simply a lot lower when automation was not a thing, and it was much easier for someone new to jump in and get to the point where they're at least competent relative to other players.
Earlier: 40) You told Andregor: Watch your step around here, fellow. I've seen some people nabbing gold off corpses!
Later:
Andregor, riding a stone gargoyle, arrives from the east.
edit: In retrospect, actually, it really has little to nothing to do with money. It's really more about the fact that I simply don't feel the need to be humble on a forum that (in certain circles/threads) is consistently full of offensive, prejudiced individuals. Of course, not everyone falls into this category, but enough do that I simply stopped caring about wasting time trying to come across as friendly, because I already know it isn't going to matter.
I'd also point out that people with this mindset seem to make up a relatively large chunk of the forum userbase - I'm simply (apparently) the only one willing to come out and call it what it is. It wasn't too long ago that the leader of the A-team instructed me to "blow" him. I wouldn't call that modest.
Reminds me a bit of how Clementius and Maya were - fair, reasonable and would cut you dead in a post if you needed it.
Back to lurking
Try not intentionally saying those douchey things and start caring about how you word things so you don't come off as arrogant.
At least with Ernam you do know *exactly* what you've got, and what he's trying to say. I do like that better than subtle insults/denials you get from a fair few people (although those people do seem to be far, far fewer in number lately, and this is a very good thing).
He tends to have conversations in earnest (what a concept), so you can discuss a topic with him and discuss the actual topic. You might realize that he has a completely different set of values than you do on that topic, but that in itself is a good outcome because you get to learn where he's actually coming from, and he doesn't deny it. I doubt he's even the cockiest person on the forums, as sensational as that statement he made was - he just doesn't hide it well, and being constantly needled can push you to be more reactive in general (which is usually what people pushing you want). Anyway...