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Refugees of Shallam, how are you coping?
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I've been seeing this sentiment a lot lately, and it puzzles me. Why does "seeking to snuff out EDC" equal "combat-based conflict"? If I don't particularly enjoy combat, what about me mostly abstaining causes you to enjoy the game any less? Why can't my character sit in a tower composing rituals aimed at consigning Babel to the outer darkness, while yours goes to tear down Sartan shrines, or whatever? There are lots of possible ways to be hard-core Good (I am emphatically not advocating do-nothing Good in Neo Shallam, btw) and I don't see why your particular play-style should be made mandatory.
Sure, we can do rituals at the gates of Ashtan, if you want, but what if there are a bunch of folks (or even one person) who want to do most of their rituals at the top of the aforementioned tower within the confines of Neo Shallam. Why is that a problem? Why is that a less legitimate way to play Good? How is it any less hard-core? Are we making the argument that the problem with the old Shallam is that there were too many non-PKers?
1) You need to stamp out evil.
2) They aren't open to friendly conversation about the topic most of the time.
3) Everyone is open to swords on all topics, all the time.
4) So you can do your rituals anywhere you want, but they don't want to risk playing it like Cyrene and isolating themselves, because that might lower the city's GPI (Ganks Per Infidel).
I've kinda come in late on this conversation as well. I totally agree that Meropis is to far away for you guys. Personally, I think you should occupy Cyrene and exile all its citizens to Meropis. But I guess that's not going to happen.
I think Achilles' statement is spot-on accurate if you just removed the bolded bit. Both Shallam and Neo-Shallam did/will have room for ritualists, scholars, and non-combat support personnel, but those people need to be 100% behind being in a city that does revolve around conflict, not divided between the "combat crowd" and the "non-combat" crowd; that lack of participation and unity across the city was one of Shallam's key issues. Mhaldor has its ritualists, scholars, and non-combat support, as well, but in Mhaldor there is only the "Mhaldor crowd" that embraces all facets of the city's culture, combat and larger conflict included. That's the mentality that the new Shallam needs to build, is all. If you don't like combat, that's fine, you don't have to be Mark material, but if you're going to stick with Shallam, you need to be prepared and willing to participate in the city's aggressive, conflict-driven culture.
For what it's worth, I have no intention of keeping Valeo locked in a tower--I'll happily join shrine defiling parties, do public debates (get ready, @Mathonwy), etc. It's just that I don't want to exclude those players that might want to RP a shut-in zealot ritualist, or whatever.
Achilles is right that being removed from the center of things is a Bad Idea, but Valeo et al are right in that a hardcore roleplaying community are essential in making new Shallam distinct from the defunct rabble that *shallam was. @Aerek phrased it pretty well. As long as both crowds are mutually-supporting, have significant crossover, and do NOT devolve into coms vs noncoms, a mix is positive.
- It should be warm. We have an abundance of cold and cold-temperate cities -- Cyrene, Ashtan, Hashan -- but Shallam is (was) the only city in a warm climate. And much though it was entwined with the city itself, I'd hate to see the vaguely Persian/Arab/Levantine atmosphere gone from Achaea.
- It should be on the sea. Shallam's loss leaves Ashtan as the only direct naval power, which is somewhat boring. When Sycaerunax hit Ashtan, I actually assumed that they were phasing out the city's harbour.
- It should be suitably distant from the other cities, to give the new city breathing room.
- It should be in Sapience, for the reasons already stated.
Given the shape of the continent, there are very few places that fit this exact description. Most of it is taken up by the Vashnar mountains, or else it's too close to the former site of Shallam. It might be easier to reshape the land in certain ways -- and while I'm not sure how @Aurora and @Deucalion would prompt for that kind of suggestion, it could be helpful.Again, I'll not weigh in on the internal politics and policies of the city-to-be. This is just what's aesthetically pleasing, from the outside looking in, and with regards to the game as a whole.
To Zanzibaar!
I would like to speak to you about someone who feels just like that, who, while being in two minds about it for a while, is someone who can really turn your situation around if you just accept him into your heart. I speak of course of our Lord Sartan.
Can I come in and tell you about him?