Quick Combat Questions

Antonius

I know Cadmus and Hecate work through bedevil, I'm not sure if Enlighten would. A Priest would have to fight pretty horrendously to get enlightened so not sure we'd ever find out in practice unless somebody is willing to test it.

Tesha

>:P You don't have to fight horrendously to get enlightened by Jhui. He enlightened me in ~13-14 seconds twice, lol. Any other Occultist has yet to enlighten me alone (I could be wrong and forgetting something) ever since Antonius gave me that touch tree script I figured Occultists out.

Enlightenment doesn't get bedeviled

Sena

Sawbones was great if you're one of the few people who can cure limb damage. Now that limb damage fades in 5 minutes, not so useful for that. I might switch it out for something else now.

Eld

Sena said:

Sawbones was great if you're one of the few people who can cure limb damage. Now that limb damage fades in 5 minutes, not so useful for that. I might switch it out for something else now.

Who can cure limb damage post Shin phoenix nerf? And why does being able to cure it affect wanting to know if your target's limbs are damaged?

Sena

Eld said:

Who can cure limb damage post Shin phoenix nerf? And why does being able to cure it affect wanting to know if your target's limbs are damaged?

The auctiony sceptres completely reset limb damage. I was more referring to healing allies, not using it in the middle of a fight.

Eld

Sena said:

Eld said:

Who can cure limb damage post Shin phoenix nerf? And why does being able to cure it affect wanting to know if your target's limbs are damaged?

The auctiony sceptres completely reset limb damage. I was more referring to healing allies, not using it in the middle of a fight.

Ah, forgot about the sceptres (and didn't know that about them anyway). But if you're healing people outside of fighting, why bother with Sawbones instead of just curing them all? Is there a limitation on uses of the sceptre?

Sena

One use every 2 Achaean days.

Nakari

yeah, I can see why having easy limb prep would definitely make it less useful. I guess what I as thinking of was if it would better allow me to use rebounding without getting my counts messed up.

What other good combat traits are there (other then the obligatory quick witted and stat boost/defense trait slot) Lethal ink, I guess?

Xer

Most Occultists are fine for the most part. Jhui rapes though. I haven't been on in a while though, so I dunno how things have changed while finals are reverse raping me T_T

Melodie

Jhui scares the crap out of me. Most everyone else is fine 1v1.

Jhui and Nemutaur are about the only two who make me want to crawl into a hole. Then again with passive healing changes, I'm starting to think Iocun and Ellodin might be added to that list.

Cynlael

Don't forget Terav! He real scary.

Trevize

Tesha said:

>:P You don't have to fight horrendously to get enlightened by Jhui. He enlightened me in ~13-14 seconds twice, lol. Any other Occultist has yet to enlighten me alone (I could be wrong and forgetting something) ever since Antonius gave me that touch tree script I figured Occultists out.

Enlightenment doesn't get bedeviled

Can you bedevil all the afflictions it locks in, still, or does that no longer work?

Jovolo

Tesha ceases to favour her left arm.

Is that supposed to be the new limb resetting message? I don't know how that's supposed to convey what it actually does. I thought it was an implementation to show a change in parry at first.

Hasar

Jovolo said:

Tesha ceases to favour her left arm.

Is that supposed to be the new limb resetting message? I don't know how that's supposed to convey what it actually does. I thought it was an implementation to show a change in parry at first.

- Yes that is the new limb resetting message. Favour is being used as like, what you do when you have a limp. So if my right leg is hurt, I "favour" it, by putting most of the weight on my left leg. At least, that was my understanding.

Kaden

Of course if you do have a limp, you're supposed to be favouring your other limb, not the one that's bloody well injured. >.> 

Hasar

Well, hm. I think it's you favour your injured leg in that you don't put weight on it, so you put weight on the other leg. Not favour as in you put weight on the favoured leg.

If you didn't favour your injured leg, you'd put all the weight on it you wanted, while swearing at it "I DON'T FAVOUR YOU, DIE ALREADY."

Kaden

Maybe, I don't know. I may have been reading that particular phrase wrong every time it's used then! 

Edit: I suppose arguments can be made for both meanings. I'm probably just more used to favoring referring to the uninjured leg.

Nim

Google tells me that favour means to treat a limb gently, including avoiding putting needless weight on it. I just wonder how that works for your torso/head. >_>

Sena

I've always heard it as favouring the uninjured leg. In other words, favouring a limb = using it more.

Iocun

Nim said:

Google tells me that favour means to treat a limb gently, including avoiding putting needless weight on it. I just wonder how that works for your torso/head. >_>

If you have a headache, eat more?

Jovolo

Maybe it could be a bit more aesthetically obvious? As clearly, it is not at all clear.

Not that I can think of anything to contribute right now. 4am etc.

Penwize

Seems fine to me honestly, it's exactly what favour means in terms of favouring limbs.  When you favour a limb (not just a leg, applies to arms too), you treat it gently and protect it in your normal movements.  You'd favour a broken arm by cradling it and moving it carefully.  Same with a leg, you'd put as little weight as possible on it and limp around.

Makarios

Everyone's a critic.

I hope none of you get favoured.

Caladbolg

Speaking of the favouring.

Since Sawbones is mostly useless now im left with

Light stepper        - Slippery little sucker.

Extra dodging is always nice but I run 11 dex so might not be useful

Mind Warden          - Send them back to Tenwat.

With it not costing equib I could see exactly what level mana they have and by doing maths can basiclly figure out if my setup will cause a bstar if they clot to 0

Cheap shot           - Why not?

Why not? If they hit parrying extra 30 bleed or so.

Jhui

sawbones is never useless with the right scripts

Anedhel

Penwize said:

Seems fine to me honestly, it's exactly what favour means in terms of favouring limbs.  When you favour a limb (not just a leg, applies to arms too), you treat it gently and protect it in your normal movements.  You'd favour a broken arm by cradling it and moving it carefully.  Same with a leg, you'd put as little weight as possible on it and limp around.

It's fine and I don't mind it, but it's kind of funny when, within a couple milliseconds, someone stops favoring both legs at the same time

Caladbolg

Eld said:

Clotting under impaleslash is 60+maxmana/30 mana/clot. I thought that was an increase (double?) on the base cost as well, but it looks like it's 60 per normally. Was base clotting cost changed relatively recently, or did I just have it wrong?

I know this was from page 5 of 46 but Eld you are my hero @Eld

Aepas

Question on writhing off of a blad, and writhing in general.

Writhing from a blade seems to be on it's own balance from what I can tell, as in you can writhe off of a blade at the same time as webbing unlike web/transfix.

Does this also apply to transfix?

Also, I have noted that with webbing, writhing more than once will reset the timer. Does this mean if you web someone, then impale them, will they have to writhe to begin the impale balance, or is it still only counting the web? if they writhe again to get rid of impale, will that reset the web?

How does all this work with transfix?

Eld

Aepas said:

Question on writhing off of a blad, and writhing in general.

Writhing from a blade seems to be on it's own balance from what I can tell, as in you can writhe off of a blade at the same time as webbing unlike web/transfix.

Does this also apply to transfix?

Also, I have noted that with webbing, writhing more than once will reset the timer. Does this mean if you web someone, then impale them, will they have to writhe to begin the impale balance, or is it still only counting the web? if they writhe again to get rid of impale, will that reset the web?

How does all this work with transfix?

As I recall, you can writhe out of impalement specifically with WRITHE OFF, but all other forms of entanglement you just WRITHE. So if you're webbed and transfixed, WRITHE will start writhing out of one of them, and if you do it again before you're done, it will just start that over instead of starting on the other. I'm actually not sure about being able to writhe off a blade while still writhing out of other entanglements (so, for example, your webbed and impaled person doing WRITHE to start writhing from the web and then WRITHE OFF to writhe from the impale at the same time, or vice versa). Also not sure if there's a specific order for writhing from web/rope/transfix/bind.

Eld

Just tested, if webbed and impaled WRITHE writhes off the impale, so there doesn't seem to be a way to writhe from impalement and web simultaneously. I assume the same goes for transfix/ropes/bind.