Quick Combat Questions

Aegoth

shaman and occie

Amranu

Occie is pretty hilariously easy tbh

Kiet

Yeah I wouldn't call occie complex. I'm not sure what the other top two most complex classes would be, but bard is up there for sure.

Dochitha

Agreed. Bard is perhaps the #1 most complicated class to master, between jab, song balance, venom, tune, limb, stances, harmonics and I think there's still more that won't fit into my brain now . So many things to watch for. I mean compared to serpent and Alchie, I am so busy with bard!

Driden

so quick question. i use server queuing with my serpent cause i cant without it due to lag making me miss important time tables. and my issue is that when i que up a dstab and someone paralyzes me it eats my command since i was hindered. so if i did ddcv and then ddck which is curare and weariness and then curare and asthma. but if i am paralyzed when i do that ddcv it fires off and does nothing and moves on to ddck. does anyone know of a way in which i can do commands thats will only fire if i am on balance and not hindered. i cant build momentum vs affliction classes cause of these issue. thanks. 

Dochitha

Driden said:

so quick question. i use server queuing with my serpent cause i cant without it due to lag making me miss important time tables. and my issue is that when i que up a dstab and someone paralyzes me it eats my command since i was hindered. so if i did ddcv and then ddck which is curare and weariness and then curare and asthma. but if i am paralyzed when i do that ddcv it fires off and does nothing and moves on to ddck. does anyone know of a way in which i can do commands thats will only fire if i am on balance and not hindered. i cant build momentum vs affliction classes cause of these issue. thanks. 

Yeah it happens. What we generally do is spam say cq all/ddcv until it goes thru, then spam cq all/ddck. I don't know anyone on the top tier not spamming important commands?

Jemaine

Can artefact warhammers break limbs in less than 4 hits, if so what level can they break in 3?

Xinna

Piera said:

@Kiet what are the other two?

Probably bard > shaman > jester > sylvan.

Aepas

Jemaine said:

Can artefact warhammers break limbs in less than 4 hits, if so what level can they break in 3?

yes, but still only at certain health levels. I've never seen a warhammer break in more than four, but a lvl2 will break up to 4k health in 3 hits. a lvl3 hammer might be able to break up to 4500 or so in 3 hits. 

Personally I think warhammer should just be changed to a flat 4 like rend or clamp, for the few people I can break in 3 hits it becomes laughably easy.

Peregrino

So I read that Apostate's daegger hunt gives no venoms here but does increased damage.  How much damage are we talking?

Driden

i think it is sword and board that can ignore paralyses. how the hell do i deal with that. i tried using darkshade in its place an i couldnt stack at all. any ideas? im serpent. 

Arador

Does Whip of Taming's effect hit on flay? And does the specified venom also hit as well? 

Atalkez

Arador said:

Does Whip of Taming's effect hit on flay? And does the specified venom also hit as well? 

Peace on flay, or venom on flay - not both.

Otherwise you have to WHIP <target>.

Kiet

Sword and board is kind of broken with the para-ignore, imo. Serps can't pressure health/mana to punish it at all. I mean you can try to work around it but it's exponentially more effort than the snb has to put in.

Dochitha

Driden said:

i think it is sword and board that can ignore paralyses. how the hell do i deal with that. i tried using darkshade in its place an i couldnt stack at all. any ideas? im serpent. 

When they use dedication it hits their mana and health. You were against a pally that is tanky and can heal passively and you don't have option to pressure his health, he is gonna use that forever. Since you dex spec, you are probably going to feel his damage pressure and san-imp lock, pretty nasty to deal with.

But against the general S&Bs that are not that tanky, they don't have the luxury of keeping up dedication for very long, and most S&B STR spec and not con spec.

Since you are as hindered, it may not be easy to fight against, but you can always run and try again. Try snapping lethargy, going with ginseng stack into scytherus relapse, while branching your lock, may be an option, I don't know.

Driden

Dochitha said:

Driden said:

i think it is sword and board that can ignore paralyses. how the hell do i deal with that. i tried using darkshade in its place an i couldnt stack at all. any ideas? im serpent. 

When they use dedication it hits their mana and health. You were against a pally that is tanky and can heal passively and you don't have option to pressure his health, he is gonna use that forever. Since you dex spec, you are probably going to feel his damage pressure and san-imp lock, pretty nasty to deal with.

But against the general S&Bs that are not that tanky, they don't have the luxury of keeping up dedication for very long, and most S&B STR spec and not con spec.

Since you are as hindered, it may not be easy to fight against, but you can always run and try again. Try snapping lethargy, going with ginseng stack into scytherus relapse, while branching your lock, may be an option, I don't know.

the issue with trying to go for the stack. para is used to eat herb balance because everyone has to cure it to attack or run or evade or touch tree. so with curare kalmia dstabs i can be rather sure they will only get one kelp eat when i go for the lock. an in my kelp stack strategy that gives you 33 percent chance to cure asthma.  With atalkez he was just eating two kelps. when i tried using another affliction to replace para he would let it stack then ignore it for a few eats destroying my stack. now on top of that i was dealing with his passive curing also. so honestly i couldnt stack ginseng for a scytherus relapse. what this tells me is i need to figure out a whole strategy on just locking one class type because of one ability they have. gonna be fun.

Astrika

The damage it does looks really intense.

Atalkez

Driden said:

Dochitha said:

Driden said:

i think it is sword and board that can ignore paralyses. how the hell do i deal with that. i tried using darkshade in its place an i couldnt stack at all. any ideas? im serpent. 

When they use dedication it hits their mana and health. You were against a pally that is tanky and can heal passively and you don't have option to pressure his health, he is gonna use that forever. Since you dex spec, you are probably going to feel his damage pressure and san-imp lock, pretty nasty to deal with.

But against the general S&Bs that are not that tanky, they don't have the luxury of keeping up dedication for very long, and most S&B STR spec and not con spec.

Since you are as hindered, it may not be easy to fight against, but you can always run and try again. Try snapping lethargy, going with ginseng stack into scytherus relapse, while branching your lock, may be an option, I don't know.

the issue with trying to go for the stack. para is used to eat herb balance because everyone has to cure it to attack or run or evade or touch tree. so with curare kalmia dstabs i can be rather sure they will only get one kelp eat when i go for the lock. an in my kelp stack strategy that gives you 33 percent chance to cure asthma.  With atalkez he was just eating two kelps. when i tried using another affliction to replace para he would let it stack then ignore it for a few eats destroying my stack. now on top of that i was dealing with his passive curing also. so honestly i couldnt stack ginseng for a scytherus relapse. what this tells me is i need to figure out a whole strategy on just locking one class type because of one ability they have. gonna be fun.

You can work voyria into your lock chains to eat the passive cure once you get ahead of herb balance, since it cures voyria first always. No one cures voyria immediately, it always gets cured on the 2nd or 3rd message, can't recall which.

Serpent is the most equipped probably to deal with this, especially artied, as your affliction speed is so good. Traditionally, the kelp prio will only work if you're leaning on asthma. Most people will still prio bloodroot if you do clumsiness, weariness, sensitivity then do kalmia/curare to force the kelp prio to fire, keeping them paralysed and giving you a 50% chance of sealing lock on next dstab if you snap/slike/gecko. 

Outside of that, it's really just going to come down to how well you can keep curare stuck to disable tree and you should be using expert diagnoser to make sure vernalius/asthma are stuck when you expect them to be, etc.

Peregrino

I agreed to let someone deliver me. There's a way to undo this, right?

Jacero

Sure, just do RENOUNCE BLESSING and then AGREE.

Dochitha

Heartsfury procced, he was paralysed, but the combo still goes through in full?

Mindshell whips Matsuhama's morningstar toward your right leg.
Full of controlled rage you lash out in a counterstrike.
You bring a Soulpiercer crashing down on Mindshell.
Horror overcomes Mindshell's face as his body stiffens into paralysis.
The right side of your body loses all feeling as the weapon of Mindshell discharges energy into you.
The power of the blow sweeps your feet out from under you, and you tumble to the ground.
You lose purchase on a mighty ghost basilisk.
You cease blocking the exit.
You relax into your normal fighting stance.
Mindshell whips Matsuhama's morningstar toward your left arm.
Your shield completely absorbs the damage.
Your left arm goes abruptly numb as Matsuhama's morningstar crunches home. (0.062s)

Tagging @Xinna. How do I understand Riposte/Heartsfury in terms of interrupting combos?

Calira

Tagging @Xinna. How do I understand Riposte/Heartsfury in terms of interrupting combos?

It won't interrupt DSL-like moves, which are one command. It will interrupt stuff like a Monk combo, which is 3 commands.

Dunn

Sounds like it should just be deleted imo.

Dochitha

Dunn said:

Sounds like it should just be deleted imo.

Removing it does take away one thing to manage, Bard has too much to manage already. HF/Riposte free affliction with switching parry, I love it when I guessed it right and it procs.

Exelethril

Can axekick be combo'd with dragon bites?

Peregrino

Does daegger hunt give venoms? I read a random post saying it doesn't but it was like a year old.

Kafziel

Hunt used to hit fast and have a chance to give a venom, then was changed to hit slowly but give a venom, then afaik was changed to not give venoms but allow some other weird shit like summoning demons without a pentagram.

Aerek

Does respectable damage and bleeding now, and unless I'm mistaken, also gives haemophilia, which adds up as you're curing other things. (If it doesn't give haemophilia, something else gives it passively. Not caught up with new Apostate fully, but I always have haemo shortly after getting daeggar hits.)

Xinna

It does bleed and gives haemophilia if they have X amount of bleed.

Peregrino

So if you learn armoursmithing, any class can wear fullplate? Is that as useful as it sounds?