If you're seriously suggesting people who leave their citymates in the lurch in wartime won't see their reputation suffer at least a bit, I don't even (justified or not, it is what it is).
I think a war with more set events based on a schedule (like Nish/naval battles) would have been more conclusive than a point based raid system because the raid system is pretty open to sketchiness. So are duels.
Even an all out daily battle at a chosen battlefield/time where the winning group secures the most kills would have meant something more than trying to blow tanks at uneven time zones.
You're missing the point -- there are people who are insisting that they are innocent and that they have had nothing to do with the turn in the war's conduct. That all the fault is on the other side.
I skimmed over the last pages. Both cities are fighting the war the same way. Mhaldor started the "raid at a bad time for defense and multitank." Targossas started the raid avoidance. I'm 100% sure in each instance the other side would've started it if they happened to be in the position to first.
Both sides are trying to win, and are thus playing optimally for that. Neither side can stop or they'll lose the war.
Everybody just live with it! It's really not as awful as anyone is making it out to be, and no one is a griefy demon doing horrible things the other side would never do.
@Cooper Targossas's opening raid was an uphill battle for Targ wherein we lost, so it was actually a perfect example of us just fighting a fairish fight for fun when there was nothing to lose. I'm not sure why it's coming up as a bad thing. Was just to kickoff the war.
I'm with Farrah on this. When the worst thing of this war is literally the complaining, it's a pretty damn good result at making sure it's not griefy. It's not perfect, but you're never gonna find something that will please everyone. Doesn't mean we don't appreciate the attempt to make a fun, proper conflict with some consequences and not a grieffest. At the very least we'll have some things we learned from this.
Also Nyder, I understand it's stressful to be organising something like this with people complaining on both sides of this. Communicating a bit better where these term changes are coming from and why would go a long way, as right now there's been a change every two-three days and that generally doesn't go over well in an already overly competitive... competition thing. Perhaps in the future, a midway term renegotiating could happen so there's a single, big(ish) update on terms, rather than new terms and then more new terms and god knows how much more. I do understand, you're trying to make sure it remains fun for all sides. But don't snap at people who voice an opinion!
Personally I very much enjoy the reduction in tank points as well as one detonation per Serenade. It makes the war far less dependent upon getting a sanction, and the defenders have more reason to come out and fight since, meh, it's only one point. You guys getting sanction last night would have been supremely upsetting if we had another repeat of what happened last time, but now it's not such an issue. We won't need to throw ourselves repeatedly into guards to get sanction and you guys won't need to try and avoid the very same. Granted.. from a story-telling perspective, the throwing ourselves into guards to get sanction is good to write about and getting the sanction finally was very satisfying, but overall probably better if we don't have to repeat that
War really brings out the horrible reality of Achaea tbh, where little more than a dozen or two undying, quasi-immortal adventurers can lay siege to an entire citystate, slaughter their mortal guardsmen in droves, literally laugh in the face of death and so on. It pretty firmly divides up the universe's population into who is capable of resisting/defying Ugrach (or who has accords with him in the Tsol'teth's case) and those who don't, ie: basically everybody else.
It's like War in Heaven type shit, where the undying masses hurl themselves at one another over and over again until the side that's the least exhausted at the end is declared the winner.
I mean... that is sort of cool. We don't play that up nearly as much as we could.
You all should be forced to play in Cyrene for a while. Gotta remember how to appreciate what you have!
To be honest, I don't know why you continue to remain a citizen of Cyrene. All I see is you complaining, in game and out. Here, Discord, Achaea. I just don't get it. No one is making you stay there. Why do you?
We had 22 or 23 that I counted, Targossas had at least 20 (my enemy list was full from targeting them so I might have missed some).
That means on average we killed each member of Targossas 7 times.
It was obviously fun for Mhaldor. We didn't plan anything ahead of time, and we had double the people show up that we thought we would have so we lucked out pretty hard on that. I'm glad Targ had a huge amount of people too so it wasn't one sided that way.
Yeaaaah lot of us got some major lag, especially the first fight. After that it seems to have varied.
And I love too Be still, my indelible friend That love soon might end You are unbreaking And be known in its aching Though quaking Shown in this shaking Though crazy Lately of my wasteland, baby That's just wasteland, baby
You all should be forced to play in Cyrene for a while. Gotta remember how to appreciate what you have!
To be honest, I don't know why you continue to remain a citizen of Cyrene. All I see is you complaining, in game and out. Here, Discord, Achaea. I just don't get it. No one is making you stay there. Why do you?
There's a lot of things I do like about Cyrene, I just don't like the current ruling clique. You can't make changes in a democratic city state by leaving when there are things you don't like.
Following my OOC posts will give a somewhat disproportionate view of my feelings, too. I rant when frustrated, and otherwise, I'm probably in game playing!
You all should be forced to play in Cyrene for a while. Gotta remember how to appreciate what you have!
To be honest, I don't know why you continue to remain a citizen of Cyrene. All I see is you complaining, in game and out. Here, Discord, Achaea. I just don't get it. No one is making you stay there. Why do you?
There's a lot of things I do like about Cyrene, I just don't like the current ruling clique. You can't make changes in a democratic city state by leaving when there are things you don't like.
Following my OOC posts will give a somewhat disproportionate view of my feelings, too. I rant when frustrated, and otherwise, I'm probably in game playing!
Well if history is anything to go by, most of them will be there for another century or so, at the least. Better get used to 'em!
BTW, here's the full Deathsight History of the Nishnatoba Battle #1 for any who are curious
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2017-06-25 01:04:07 - Antidas was slain by Cooper.
2017-06-25 01:04:07 - Antidas was slain by Proficy.
2017-06-25 01:09:29 - Antidas was slain by Saibel.
2017-06-25 01:09:32 - Antidas was slain by Verquisse.
2017-06-25 01:09:43 - Avalea was slain by Medi.
2017-06-25 01:09:44 - Atalkez was slain by Leviticus.
2017-06-25 01:09:48 - Atalkez was slain by Aegoth.
2017-06-25 01:09:48 - Laniara was slain by Atalkez.
2017-06-25 01:09:50 - Farrah was slain by Herenicus.
2017-06-25 01:09:50 - Vessil was slain by Farrah.
2017-06-25 01:09:50 - Tesha was slain by Farrah.
2017-06-25 01:09:50 - Nuala was slain by Farrah.
2017-06-25 01:09:50 - Jor was slain by Farrah.
2017-06-25 01:09:50 - Mathilda was slain by Farrah.
2017-06-25 01:09:50 - Torinn was slain by Farrah.
2017-06-25 01:09:51 - Frederich was slain by Remilia.
2017-06-25 01:09:51 - Greys was slain by Remilia.
2017-06-25 01:09:52 - Tysandr was slain by Exxia.
2017-06-25 01:09:52 - Nazihk was slain by Exxia.
2017-06-25 01:09:56 - Xaden was slain by Saibel.
2017-06-25 01:09:58 - Xaden was slain by Aegoth.
2017-06-25 01:10:00 - Antonius was slain by Proficy.
2017-06-25 01:10:01 - Laniara was slain by Remilia.
2017-06-25 01:10:01 - Ashu was slain by Laniara.
2017-06-25 01:10:01 - Tysandr was slain by Laniara.
2017-06-25 01:10:02 - Eveitha was slain by Laniara.
2017-06-25 01:10:02 - Tesha was slain by Laniara.
2017-06-25 01:10:02 - Jor was slain by Laniara.
2017-06-25 01:10:02 - Torinn was slain by Remilia.
2017-06-25 01:10:04 - Mathilda was slain by Remilia.
2017-06-25 01:10:06 - Greys was slain by Ysela.
2017-06-25 01:10:06 - Nehmrah was slain by Greys.
2017-06-25 01:10:06 - Remilia was slain by Greys.
2017-06-25 01:10:06 - Nuala was slain by Reyson.
2017-06-25 01:10:07 - Frederich was slain by Medi.
2017-06-25 01:10:07 - Melodie was slain by Frederich.
2017-06-25 01:10:07 - Eveitha was slain by Frederich.
2017-06-25 01:10:07 - Nazihk was slain by Frederich.
2017-06-25 01:10:07 - Hataru was slain by Frederich.
2017-06-25 01:10:13 - Antonius was slain by Leviticus.
2017-06-25 01:10:14 - Nazihk was slain by Proficy.
2017-06-25 01:10:19 - Ada was slain by Ysela.
2017-06-25 01:10:20 - Ada was slain by Iakimen.
2017-06-25 01:10:20 - Eveitha was slain by Ada.
2017-06-25 01:10:27 - Ashu was slain by Ailea.
2017-06-25 01:10:29 - Etheros was slain by Medi.
2017-06-25 01:10:30 - Illaren was slain by Aegoth.
2017-06-25 01:10:30 - Mathilda was slain by Nyderrasethi.
2017-06-25 01:10:30 - Khel was slain by Mathilda.
2017-06-25 01:10:32 - Nehmrah was slain by a gold-breasted falcon.
2017-06-25 01:10:33 - Etheros was slain by Nyderrasethi.
2017-06-25 01:10:54 - Vessil was slain by Aegoth.
2017-06-25 01:10:56 - Vessil was slain by Aegoth.
2017-06-25 01:11:47 - Aegoth was slain by misadventure.
2017-06-25 01:12:10 - Proficy was slain by Farrah.
2017-06-25 01:12:12 - Proficy was slain by Farrah.
2017-06-25 01:13:59 - Medi was slain by Mathilda.
2017-06-25 01:14:00 - Medi was slain by Frederich.
2017-06-25 01:15:27 - Uzai was slain by a spectral guardian.
2017-06-25 01:16:47 - Torinn was slain by Exxia.
2017-06-25 01:16:50 - Torinn was slain by Melodie.
2017-06-25 01:16:51 - Torinn was slain by Saibel.
2017-06-25 01:19:42 - Avalea was slain by Ysela.
2017-06-25 01:19:43 - Avalea was slain by Aegoth.
2017-06-25 01:19:51 - Ankhareoutef was slain by Iakimen.
2017-06-25 01:19:54 - Ankhareoutef was slain by Nyderrasethi.
2017-06-25 01:19:56 - Ankhareoutef was slain by Saibel.
2017-06-25 01:22:27 - Kiet was slain by Etheros.
2017-06-25 01:22:32 - Illaren was slain by Nazihk.
2017-06-25 01:22:36 - Illaren was slain by Medi.
2017-06-25 01:22:36 - Verquisse was slain by Illaren.
2017-06-25 01:22:36 - Kiet was slain by Illaren.
2017-06-25 01:22:37 - Remilia was slain by Nazihk.
2017-06-25 01:22:39 - Xaden was slain by Exxia.
2017-06-25 01:22:41 - Nehmrah was slain by Nazihk.
2017-06-25 01:22:41 - Leviticus was slain by Antidas.
2017-06-25 01:22:41 - Eveitha was slain by Antidas.
2017-06-25 01:23:04 - Xaden was slain by Rom.
2017-06-25 01:23:13 - Nehmrah was slain by Khel.
2017-06-25 01:23:15 - Mathilda was slain by Saibel.
2017-06-25 01:23:17 - Herenicus was slain by Farrah.
2017-06-25 01:23:17 - Remilia was slain by Khel.
2017-06-25 01:23:18 - Mathilda was slain by Proficy.
2017-06-25 01:23:27 - Ysela was slain by Etheros.
2017-06-25 01:23:29 - Nazihk was slain by Melodie.
2017-06-25 01:23:30 - Tesha was slain by Nyderrasethi.
2017-06-25 01:23:42 - Tesha was slain by Seortiae.
2017-06-25 01:23:43 - Ysela was slain by Tesha.
2017-06-25 01:23:43 - Jor was slain by Tesha.
2017-06-25 01:23:44 - Jor was slain by Ailea.
2017-06-25 01:23:44 - Verquisse was slain by Jor.
2017-06-25 01:23:44 - Laniara was slain by Jor.
2017-06-25 01:23:44 - Herenicus was slain by Jor.
2017-06-25 01:23:49 - Ada was slain by Proficy.
2017-06-25 01:23:52 - Greys was slain by Exxia.
2017-06-25 01:23:56 - Ada was slain by Proficy.
2017-06-25 01:23:56 - Greys was slain by Ada.
2017-06-25 01:24:04 - Nazihk was slain by Khel.
2017-06-25 01:24:08 - Nuala was slain by Nyderrasethi.
2017-06-25 01:24:14 - Torinn was slain by Reyson.
2017-06-25 01:24:17 - Torinn was slain by Reyson.
2017-06-25 01:24:20 - Ashu was slain by Cooper.
2017-06-25 01:24:20 - Frederich was slain by Ashu.
2017-06-25 01:24:20 - Torinn was slain by Ailea.
2017-06-25 01:24:24 - Frederich was slain by Eveitha.
2017-06-25 01:24:24 - Khel was slain by Frederich.
2017-06-25 01:24:31 - Laniara was slain by Herenicus.
2017-06-25 01:24:36 - Atalkez was slain by Iakimen.
2017-06-25 01:24:37 - Atalkez was slain by Ailea.
2017-06-25 01:24:39 - Hataru was slain by Antidas.
2017-06-25 01:24:39 - Atalkez was slain by Exxia.
2017-06-25 01:24:44 - Mathilda was slain by Ailea.
2017-06-25 01:24:47 - Mathilda was slain by Aegoth.
2017-06-25 01:25:03 - Illaren was slain by Eveitha.
2017-06-25 01:25:20 - Ankhareoutef was slain by Proficy.
2017-06-25 01:25:23 - Ankhareoutef was slain by Aegoth.
2017-06-25 01:25:30 - Jor was slain by Cooper.
2017-06-25 01:26:12 - Torinn was slain by Rom.
2017-06-25 01:26:20 - Reyson was slain by Nazihk.
2017-06-25 01:26:24 - Reyson was slain by Greys.
2017-06-25 01:26:29 - Daeir was slain by Herenicus.
2017-06-25 01:26:39 - Daeir was slain by Titonus.
2017-06-25 01:27:37 - Proficy was slain by Ankhareoutef.
2017-06-25 01:27:47 - Proficy was slain by Ankhareoutef.
2017-06-25 01:27:59 - Vessil was slain by Titonus.
2017-06-25 01:28:06 - Nyderrasethi was slain by Nyderrasethi.
2017-06-25 01:28:06 - Ailea was slain by Atalkez.
2017-06-25 01:28:06 - Vessil was slain by Melodie.
2017-06-25 01:28:07 - Nyderrasethi was slain by Etheros.
2017-06-25 01:28:08 - Greys was slain by Iakimen.
2017-06-25 01:28:12 - Kipposhi was slain by a hulking stone giant.
2017-06-25 01:28:17 - Daeir was slain by Eveitha.
2017-06-25 01:28:19 - Ailea was slain by Frederich.
2017-06-25 01:28:25 - Nazihk was slain by Reyson.
2017-06-25 01:28:31 - Nazihk was slain by Draedetha.
2017-06-25 01:28:35 - Nazihk was slain by Eveitha.
2017-06-25 01:28:45 - Herenicus was slain by Farrah.
2017-06-25 01:30:25 - Ankhareoutef was slain by Melodie.
2017-06-25 01:30:40 - Frederich was slain by Nyderrasethi.
2017-06-25 01:30:40 - Hataru was slain by Frederich.
2017-06-25 01:30:40 - Iakimen was slain by Nyderrasethi.
2017-06-25 01:30:40 - Eveitha was slain by Nyderrasethi.
2017-06-25 01:30:49 - Herenicus was slain by Atalkez.
2017-06-25 01:31:11 - Antidas was slain by Exxia.
2017-06-25 01:31:17 - Antidas was slain by Aegoth.
2017-06-25 01:31:34 - Mathilda was slain by Aegoth.
2017-06-25 01:31:40 - Mathilda was slain by Aegoth.
2017-06-25 01:31:43 - Etheros was slain by Nyderrasethi.
2017-06-25 01:31:49 - Xaden was slain by Seortiae.
2017-06-25 01:31:52 - Xaden was slain by Nyderrasethi.
2017-06-25 01:31:53 - Atalkez was slain by Melodie.
2017-06-25 01:31:54 - Atalkez was slain by Nyderrasethi.
2017-06-25 01:31:56 - Atalkez was slain by Leviticus.
2017-06-25 01:32:00 - Xaden was slain by Exxia.
2017-06-25 01:32:03 - Farrah was slain by Aegoth.
2017-06-25 01:32:05 - Farrah was slain by Iakimen.
2017-06-25 01:33:04 - Antonius was slain by Reyson.
2017-06-25 01:33:18 - Ankhareoutef was slain by Proficy.
2017-06-25 01:33:25 - Proficy was slain by Farrah.
2017-06-25 01:33:30 - Farrah was slain by Cooper.
2017-06-25 01:33:41 - Farrah was slain by Kythra.
2017-06-25 01:33:47 - Atalkez was slain by Exxia.
2017-06-25 01:33:48 - Atalkez was slain by Rom.
2017-06-25 01:33:48 - Antonius was slain by Atalkez.
2017-06-25 01:33:54 - Tesha was slain by Seortiae.
2017-06-25 01:33:55 - Tesha was slain by Nyderrasethi.
2017-06-25 01:34:01 - Eveitha was slain by Etheros.
2017-06-25 01:34:01 - Etheros was slain by Saibel.
2017-06-25 01:34:04 - Ankhareoutef was slain by Aegoth.
2017-06-25 01:34:06 - Etheros was slain by Proficy.
2017-06-25 01:34:38 - Ankhareoutef was slain by Melodie.
2017-06-25 01:34:52 - Antonius was slain by Iakimen.
2017-06-25 01:34:54 - Antonius was slain by Nyderrasethi.
2017-06-25 01:35:24 - Farrah was slain by Rom.
2017-06-25 01:35:37 - Mazel was slain by a Penumbran fiend.
2017-06-25 01:36:11 - Farrah was slain by Kythra.
2017-06-25 01:36:44 - Etheros was slain by Ailea.
2017-06-25 01:36:46 - Etheros was slain by Reyson.
2017-06-25 01:37:05 - Ankhareoutef was slain by Cooper.
2017-06-25 01:37:44 - Atalkez was slain by Titonus.
2017-06-25 01:37:45 - Atalkez was slain by Exxia.
2017-06-25 01:37:46 - Atalkez was slain by Ailea.
2017-06-25 01:37:49 - Antonius was slain by Nyderrasethi.
2017-06-25 01:37:51 - Iakimen was slain by Antonius.
2017-06-25 01:37:52 - Antonius was slain by Leviticus.
2017-06-25 01:38:58 - Antidas was slain by Melodie.
2017-06-25 01:39:00 - Antidas was slain by Eveitha.
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Targossas is maximising its chances of winning, but so is Mhaldor. Don't pretend that you're all blameless for the turn in the war.
Even an all out daily battle at a chosen battlefield/time where the winning group secures the most kills would have meant something more than trying to blow tanks at uneven time zones.
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I'm having a blast!
hint: it's not ~~
Both sides are trying to win, and are thus playing optimally for that. Neither side can stop or they'll lose the war.
Everybody just live with it! It's really not as awful as anyone is making it out to be, and no one is a griefy demon doing horrible things the other side would never do.
@Cooper Targossas's opening raid was an uphill battle for Targ wherein we lost, so it was actually a perfect example of us just fighting a fairish fight for fun when there was nothing to lose. I'm not sure why it's coming up as a bad thing. Was just to kickoff the war.
Also Nyder, I understand it's stressful to be organising something like this with people complaining on both sides of this. Communicating a bit better where these term changes are coming from and why would go a long way, as right now there's been a change every two-three days and that generally doesn't go over well in an already overly competitive... competition thing. Perhaps in the future, a midway term renegotiating could happen so there's a single, big(ish) update on terms, rather than new terms and then more new terms and god knows how much more. I do understand, you're trying to make sure it remains fun for all sides. But don't snap at people who voice an opinion!
I mean... that is sort of cool. We don't play that up nearly as much as we could.
To be honest, I don't know why you continue to remain a citizen of Cyrene. All I see is you complaining, in game and out. Here, Discord, Achaea. I just don't get it. No one is making you stay there. Why do you?
Same goes for LoS Room Hinder that stacks oh so well with it.
That is all.
Mhaldor kills: 140
Mhaldor Deaths: 46
We had 22 or 23 that I counted, Targossas had at least 20 (my enemy list was full from targeting them so I might have missed some).
That means on average we killed each member of Targossas 7 times.
It was obviously fun for Mhaldor. We didn't plan anything ahead of time, and we had double the people show up that we thought we would have so we lucked out pretty hard on that. I'm glad Targ had a huge amount of people too so it wasn't one sided that way.
That love soon might end You are unbreaking
And be known in its aching Though quaking
Shown in this shaking Though crazy
Lately of my wasteland, baby That's just wasteland, baby
BUT HOT DAMN IT WAS AWESOME!
i'm a rebel
Following my OOC posts will give a somewhat disproportionate view of my feelings, too. I rant when frustrated, and otherwise, I'm probably in game playing!
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