The Revelation

Trey

Asmodron said:

        

I think you're improving. That's much better than your last Khalas drawing.

Kresslack

I may have gotten the name wrong, but there was someone who had their shadow as a custom pet I believe and it was set to wander. Usually stuck around NoNT. So it hit me when thinking about this event...

Klendathu

This time-gated unwinding thing is frustrating to the max. All you people who said "There's no imminent sense of danger", LOOK WHAT YOU DID.

Antidas

Kresslack said:

I may have gotten the name wrong, but there was someone who had their shadow as a custom pet I believe and it was set to wander. Usually stuck around NoNT. So it hit me when thinking about this event...

Tuerney*

Aylek

Daeir said:

Some IC discussion about the nature of shrines and their divine influence led to talking about the Staff of Celestia and whatever the Dread Eclair's counterpart is.

I just pictured pretty much all of Achaea beneath this massive dome wrought of twin Necromancy and Devotional energies wrought by the Deacon of Celestia and the Dread Ecclesiarch side by side, with like 12 Tsol'teth on all ends of the dome furiously assaulting it the Litany as the Tide sweeps in for like legions of Greater Dragons to handle. Mhaldor and Targossas fighting side by side in this terrible alignment of counteracting force working in tandem, baalzadeen and angel tearing out the souls of Tide minions beside each other.

Ashtan and the Nihilists are there, warped into colossal Chaos Lords with Glaaki's blessing basically tearing Tide monsters limb from limb.

The forestals are there drawing upon immense amounts of power from the realm's life, hurling bolts of pure lightning at ogres whilst nearly-rabid Sentinels are going apeshit with hordes of animals fighting alongside them. Hashan's people are there as well, with people from the Kyrmenian using the Wellspring to conjure spectres en masse to fight the Tide from another section, while members of Twilight's Order and the Somatikos are in formation together, fighting several of the shadow-wielding Tsol'teth with the Dark Father's shadows themselves.

The Cyrenians are grouped up with the Nereians who enlisted the aid of a few triton legions, as the Scarlattans support them with bolstering song as they carve through swathes of unending minions. Phaestians toil away endlessly at fortifications around the dome's innards, holding back the minions that others cannot handle.

How fuckin cool would that be?

Calm down.

Frederich

2:48:18.845 With a sickening crunch and cry of pure agony, Coamenel's head lolls aimlessly far too far to one side. Coamenel collapses into such an undignified sprawl that you realise that the throw did indeed snap the spine like a dry twig.

02:48:18.845 You have slain Coamenel.

02:48:18.845 Your soul cries out in ecstasy as it reaches new heights of power. You have advanced to level 99.

02:48:18.845 You have reached the illustrious level of Greater Dragon.

Thanks revelation.

Asmodron

So all of a sudden my creatures began to conjure invulnerable auras, yet I have not gone up any levels or bought any artifacts. So, I have to ask:


Has their strength cap been increased again?
or
Is the invulerable power activated based on the user's health? I had eaten some Shunsten
or
Was this a possible random bug?
or
Is there some aspect to them spawning this aura that I am unaware of?

Rangor

Frederich said:

2:48:18.845 With a sickening crunch and cry of pure agony, Coamenel's head lolls aimlessly far too far to one side. Coamenel collapses into such an undignified sprawl that you realise that the throw did indeed snap the spine like a dry twig.

02:48:18.845 You have slain Coamenel.

02:48:18.845 Your soul cries out in ecstasy as it reaches new heights of power. You have advanced to level 99.

02:48:18.845 You have reached the illustrious level of Greater Dragon.

Thanks revelation.

You're on the sacrificial lamb list like the rest of us dragons now.

Klendathu

Maybe it's just me, but every time I come into this thread, I think of this:



The Revelation will not be televised, the Revelation is live.

Calyn

Daeir said:
How fuckin cool would that be?

Extremely, right up until Mhaldor and Targossas simultaneously threaten to leave if they don't get preferential treatment, Hashan withdraws to wait for the Seneschal to make a decision, Ashtan decides that the new Coalition looks just as tasty as the tsol'teth, Cyrene needs to go restock on tea, and Eleusis decides to cast Wrath, deleting the servers and forcing the admins to restore from a backup on 30 September.

Xaden

Calyn said:

deleting the servers and forcing the admins to restore from a backup on 30 September.

This...

...I'm near tears just thinking about it...

Datrius

Daeir said:

Some IC discussion about the nature of shrines and their divine influence led to talking about the Staff of Celestia and whatever the Dread Eclair's counterpart is.

I just pictured pretty much all of Achaea beneath this massive dome wrought of twin Necromancy and Devotional energies wrought by the Deacon of Celestia and the Dread Ecclesiarch side by side, with like 12 Tsol'teth on all ends of the dome furiously assaulting it the Litany as the Tide sweeps in for like legions of Greater Dragons to handle. Mhaldor and Targossas fighting side by side in this terrible alignment of counteracting force working in tandem, baalzadeen and angel tearing out the souls of Tide minions beside each other.

Ashtan and the Nihilists are there, warped into colossal Chaos Lords with Glaaki's blessing basically tearing Tide monsters limb from limb.

The forestals are there drawing upon immense amounts of power from the realm's life, hurling bolts of pure lightning at ogres whilst nearly-rabid Sentinels are going apeshit with hordes of animals fighting alongside them. Hashan's people are there as well, with people from the Kyrmenian using the Wellspring to conjure spectres en masse to fight the Tide from another section, while members of Twilight's Order and the Somatikos are in formation together, fighting several of the shadow-wielding Tsol'teth with the Dark Father's shadows themselves.

The Cyrenians are grouped up with the Nereians who enlisted the aid of a few triton legions, as the Scarlattans support them with bolstering song as they carve through swathes of unending minions. Phaestians toil away endlessly at fortifications around the dome's innards, holding back the minions that others cannot handle.

How fuckin cool would that be?

What, no Aegeans Knights mounted on Wyverns? Come on, those things are awesome!

Calyn

Alternate ending:

Sapience puts aside their differences, all of the cool stuff @Daeir mentioned happens. We kick in the door of the Tsol'teth lair and find that there was actually only one of them the entire time. With the villain subdued, someone notices that the Tsol'teth is wearing an odd mask. 

With a great tug, the mask is removed to reveal...Old Man Griesly. If everyone in Sapience was dead, they could all move into the Griesly haunted manor and he'd never be lonely again. However, all of Sapience working together and discovering the true meaning of friendship has inspired him to reopen the manor as part of the Mayaween celebration.

Everyone cheers and forgets that there's a new class coming. @Makarios quietly releases the new class without proper playtesting. It comes with astralform, vivisect, piety, and grove summon. Nobody is allowed to whine about factional imbalances again.

Sarathai

I should make an executive decision that if Wrath is used, I get to be the one doing it.

Makarios

The new class isn't even part of this event.

[spoiler]
Or is it.
[/spoiler]

Rangor

Who needs new classes when you have access to both sentinel AND sylvan!

Aylek

New class only available to cities that took Minerals, sorry bb.

Leviticus

Daeir said:

Korben said:

Daeir said:

From a purely mechanical perspective though, giving shards to the smaller orders where they could be given instead to the pre-eminent shrines that are getting very close to completion (especially as the Tsol'teth and the Tide build up their pace) is at best, inefficient, and at worst, a complete waste.

Except that the people in those smaller orders are part of your volunteer workforce. If you antagonize them too much, you could lose 10, 15, 20% of your manpower, some of whom might ally with one of the other teams. The current arrangement is probably the best you'll get. Also: when the Coalition was formed people probably didn't imagine it would take this many splinters.

A valid point, but realistically a lot of those orders couldn't even contest the larger, more combat oriented orders without the aid of others. If Targossas and Eleusis withdrew their participation from the coalition, that's basically it for every order that maybe isn't Twilight. The Hashan dudes could probably scrape by on their own. The others would be completely sidelined by the ensuing chaos every splinterfall.

You've seen the sort of chaos that Mhaldor and Ashtan wreak on splinterfall runs without the fighting groups present. Imagine that as the status quo except with two other factions thrown into the midst, independently fighting for their own stuff.

The coalition MASSIVELY favours the smaller people that are involved in it. Otherwise, they'd be getting almost nothing.

I think the coalition does favours the smaller people to a point, but I wouldn't say if Targ and Eleusis left they'd be terrible. the Capture the Flag was enough to see that Hashan and Cyrene can hold their own. The UW War was enough to see that Hashan with some tweaking could become the new oldAshtan. They have the manpower  (and arties) just need everyone to become better at combat. I think Eleusis has enough active people to do this event by themselves. I think Targ is benefiting MASSIVELY from the coalition. They don't have the numbers of Hashan and Eleusis and sometimes even Cyrene, but they do have coordination down extremely well. Eleusis just has automation down very well. They can take a noob, give them a script and have them combat ready in 5 minutes. Works for them, kinda like Russia "take this weapon and charge towards that bunker" x 7 million. From the beginning of the event the most partipicates I have ever seen were from Hashan and Cyrene. A little from Eleusis on their Gods drop (except Patroklos) and very little from Targ. That is why I felt Targ and Eleusis had the mentality of we will use the coalition as much as possible and only help our God (I do know some events happened with Gods and admins influencing decisions).  After Mhaldor left I guess things changed because I seen Eleusis and Targ help out the coalition A LOT more. 

In my opinion, Mhaldor is in a tight spot. We have a smaller number of people. Even smaller combat ready. But a lot of people are discouraged from splinters due to being outnumbered by a lot. We also have to work on our coordination, sometimes it's just like Eleusis' in terms of HIT ANY ATTACK BUTTON ON THIS TARGET GOOOOOOO, YOLOOOOOOOOOOO. I think we should have done the same thing as Targ did, manipulate the coalition to work for us until the end. I do believe @Exxia was right. We let a denizen or denizens (admin) influence our RP way too much (Or remind us of their opinion of Mhaldor's RP). I think everyone knows I don't give two shits about Sartan, never have, never will for numerous reasons. I care about doing whats best for Mhaldor (maybe going back to Twlight being our Patron while we wait for a volunteer to be Sartan). Mhaldor made a mistake with the coalition and Targ capitalized on that situation and got the Coalition to basically kick them out. Like Farrah said, this event was about politics and how well you could influence others to do your bidding (paraphrased). Mhaldor needs to learn some lessons from that tactic.

Antonius

It's amazing seeing the different interpretations of events. Mhaldor's "mistake" was intentionally screwing over the Coalition by gathering a number of splinters - while actively and explicitly claiming they were assisting with the agreed rotation - and then taking them to relinquish to Sartan's shrine. I'm not even sure Targossas was overly involved in the process of "getting" Mhaldor kicked out; plenty of people from every faction wanted you gone immediately after that.

Farrah

Mhaldor didn't really get kicked at all. Proficy and Aegoth quit and started working against the Coalition. Then Cooper either also quit or intentionally made demands he knew would get him ousted. Then, when Mhaldor's leadership made those calls, obviously the remaining Mhaldorians were kicked.

It had very little to do with politics. Simply Mhaldor's choice to leave.

They just chose to take as many splinters as they could on the way out rather than announcing "We're leaving the Coalition now."

Melodie

Uh, that was an agreed-upon experiment that mostly Targossas got uppity about. I do believe there was a few splinters stolen at one point, but by a few I mean like three or four. I wasn't there so I don't know everything that happened there, but Mhaldor was most definitely not the only group to do that nonsense.

What got Mhaldor kicked out was after a particular series of events where it was suspected (but not proven, so no need to jump up here) Aurora's shrine had been fed extra splinters since the start of the coalition, since it managed to change its state first despite the fact Mhaldor had just put in 50-60k odd essence after killing Gattan'bahar. Cooper made a particular demand, he got ousted by Patroklos for it, and then within 48 hours the coalition ousted the rest of us without a word.

Opinions of what happened, why, and how it was/should have been handled for the whole of this event varies a bit among Mhaldorians, and honestly it doesn't matter at this point, so not adding mine in. Just wanting to keep the facts here straight.

Edit: Farrah isn't wrong about Proficy/Aegoth either. Not so sure on the rest.

Farrah

Pretty sure Antonius is referring to when Proficy and Aegoth quit the Coalition and relinquished splinters to Sartan instead of the god whose turn it was, Melodie.

When the Tyrannus quits and actively opposes the Coalition, it seems pretty obvious Mhaldor is going to follow. Yes, there was more that happened with Cooper after that, but it was already going that direction when the TYRANNUS quit and ran off with splinters.

But nothing Antonius said was inaccurate. He just wasn't referring to the "experiments" you thought he was referring to.

I mean, the bottom line is that Mhaldor chose to leave. It may have been due to admin pressure, but it wasn't a matter of the Coalition trying to get rid of them. I think it'd be pretty silly to argue otherwise, unless the Tyrannus and a Viceroy don't represent Mhaldor anymore.

Patroklos

Melodie said:

Uh, that was an agreed-upon experiment that mostly Targossas got uppity about. I do believe there was a few splinters stolen at one point, but by a few I mean like three or four. I wasn't there so I don't know everything that happened there, but Mhaldor was most definitely not the only group to do that nonsense.

What got Mhaldor kicked out was after a particular series of events where it was suspected (but not proven, so no need to jump up here) Aurora's shrine had been fed extra splinters since the start of the coalition, since it managed to change its state first despite the fact Mhaldor had just put in 50-60k odd essence after killing Gattan'bahar. Cooper made a particular demand, he got ousted by Patroklos for it, and then within 48 hours the coalition ousted the rest of us without a word.

Opinions of what happened, why, and how it was/should have been handled for the whole of this event varies a bit among Mhaldorians, and honestly it doesn't matter at this point, so not adding mine in. Just wanting to keep the facts here straight.

Edit: Farrah isn't wrong about Proficy/Aegoth either. Not so sure on the rest.

I ousted Cooper after he stated he was taking Sartan splinters from everyone, regardless of who's turn it was. He refused to play ball, and I wasn't giving him the opportunity Aegoth and Prof got. The decision to oust the rest of the Mhaldorians came because of how Mhaldor typically operates, complete and total submission to the will of the Tyrannus and Sartan. If Mhaldorians started collecting shards on Prof's orders, only to suddenly take off with them, then suddenly we were out even worse so. Guilty by leadership in this situation.

Antonius

Melodie said:

Uh, that was an agreed-upon experiment that mostly Targossas got uppity about.

We're obviously talking about two different events, then, because the situation I mentioned had nothing to do with the experiment Mhaldor ran (and had concluded by that point).

Leviticus

Antonius said:

It's amazing seeing the different interpretations of events. Mhaldor's "mistake" was intentionally screwing over the Coalition by gathering a number of splinters - while actively and explicitly claiming they were assisting with the agreed rotation - and then taking them to relinquish to Sartan's shrine. I'm not even sure Targossas was overly involved in the process of "getting" Mhaldor kicked out; plenty of people from every faction wanted you gone immediately after that.

I guess you missed the part were a lot of people were taking splinters out of turn (Targ included). I also guess you missed the part where everything was fine until Farrah, Antidas, Atalkez and Deladan kept bringing up the fact that the original agreement didn't include Mhaldor's experiment. Even though it was agreed to previously by the PRESENT leaders in the coalition which at the time those stated above were not present. They continuously brought it up over and over and over and to the point where they stated they are going to quit the coalition (which they continued to take splinters out of turn and relinquish them to Aurora). Mhaldor's mistake, in my opinion, was not relinquishing the shards, therefore ending the experiment and the disagreements. Instead they decided that we will go solo. Which isn't quite working out as a lot of people are no longer participating as hard as when we first were. What sparked the coalition to start to take the side of Farrah and co. was that the admin reduced the splinters to 3-7 per drop. Which made everyone think it was Mhaldor's fault. When Mhaldor stated that we had no clue why the splinters were reduced, lets do some research, more people got angry (even thought Gatten' had about 100 splinters on her). 

Summary:
*This was my experience during the timeframe where I was active in realms*
Jarrod and co form Coalition
Targ and Eleusis didn't actively participate in the drops of other Gods, unless it was their own (except a few: Pat, Farrah, Atalkez, Xaden)
Denizens/ Gods go to certain cities and people and ask why they are formed up and not out on their own (varies) , questioning their RP (Admins influencing the event)
Babel goes YOLO, middle finger to the world
Everyone whispers and suggests if Babel is solo why isn't Mhaldor (was discussed multiple times while I was in realms)
Early in the morning, EST, Jarrod and co put together an experiment which was agreed to.
Targ complained about Mhaldor's experiment where almost everyone told them to shut up it was agreed upon (except: Deladan)

Targ threatened to quit, a meeting was held, everything seemed to be okay after meeting (during this time Targ continued to collect splinters out of turn and relinquish)
Admins reduced splinter drop to 3-7 (Thanks a lot)
Everyone starts to think it's because Mhaldor was holding (I think 15-18) splinters. 
People start to bash Mhaldor for not being solo (RP) and that they are using the Coalition to further their evil plans (who wasn't??)

Mhaldor RP's "middle finger to the world" Jarrod, Cooper and Proficy were done explaining their theory numerous times
Targ continues to antagonize drawing more and more support from the coalition
Jarrod, Cooper and Proficy quit Coalition (due to having to answer the same questions over and over)
Proficy relinquishes
Splinterfalls still stay between 3-7 proving everyone's theory wrong for a bit
Everyone is crying

Cooper kills Gatten, relinquishes upwards of 100 splinters
Splinters return to normalish drop amounts

Instead of bickering and arguing we should have just ganged up on Gatten and everything would have been alright.

Like I said, Targ politic'd beautifully. They sensed Mhaldor had, in my opinion, a lot of say (power) in the Coalition. They wanted to be the only big dogs at the table. I believe Targ's intention was selfish from the get go (whose wasn't???). Get up all the "Light/Good" Gods first in order to stick it to Chaos and Evil (Haha, Targ is da best!!!). Now with Farrah's and Daeir's post (which I already knew was their mentality) about the smaller orders basically not mattering/if they quit the coalition would still be awesome, furthers my point. From me being active in the defensive and offensive parties I can say that Targ didn't support (barring a two-three people) during other Gods splinterfalls.


If people remembered before the Coalition. The "smaller" orders were actually collecting the most splinters. Would that have lasted? IDK. But for people to say the smaller order's participation is nice but not needed are crazy. The coalition wouldn't be able to collect as many splinters if the smaller orders quit and went to a Free-For-All. Babel vs. Mhaldor vs Coalition vs. Smaller Orders isn't good for the Coalition. It takes those 10 verus 3 odds back down to 6 verus 3 vs 2 vs 2 (etc) which is a lot better odds for Mhaldor. And now let's think about how those "smaller" orders helped during the non peak hours (after 11 pm EST) collect splinters and hold them until the people came on to relinquish them. That is also  HUGE boost to the coalition that the other solo groups don't have.  Once again this is from my view and my time active in realms. A lot could have happened behind the scenes that I didn't see or hear about.

Melodie

A "number" is still like, three. When he said a number, I assumed he meant a big amount, and thus why I was trying to figure out to which he was referring. I'm not saying Proficy/Aegoth quitting the coalition didn't make a statement or that things weren't going downhill.

You're wrong on one bit, however - the city had not made a committed choice at that point, which is why Cooper made the demand he did. If that had turned out differently, things could have shifted another direction. Once Cooper was ousted for it, though, wasn't much left to be done.

Which is fine. Things went how they did and that's that. Don't really want to rehash it all here again.

Patroklos

No, but if you've been slapped twice and someone threatens to slap you again, do you just wait and see if they do it again, or preemptively strike and remove any opportunity for it to happen?

Atalkez

We weren't taking splinters out of turn. 

Antidas did once on accident and I did once, both like day 2 of the thing. That's 2000 essence, unless you have proof others did, let's not point fingers without information to prove your point!

Leviticus

Atalkez said:

We weren't taking splinters out of turn. 

Antidas did once on accident and I did once, both like day 2 of the thing. That's 2000 essence, unless you have proof others did, let's not point fingers without information to prove your point!

So what you are saying is that you took splinters out of turn?

I also believe it was more than once and way more than one splinter. But like I said don't have the evidence against you. 

I am just trying to patch together the full story. Which i think I got from Farrah, Melodie and other's viewpoints. This was just my viewpoint. I have no evidence to prove any of it.

Proficy

I love the theories on my actions like any of you know what i do and why.. 

I can assure you all the high school rumors you all are spitting out are bits and pieces of truth followed by pure speculation.

The one thing that is certain though is i was MORE than curteous at the begining and nothing i did was without a verbal agreement upon a majority at the time to stand behind my word. It is when the others (whom ironically are benefitting the most now) broke the agreement that i went back to the basics. 

You are either with us or against us either way is of no issue we push foward. War is not determined by single battles but the overall outcome.