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  • TectonTecton The Garden of the Gods
    Micositu said:
    If I throw enough money at it can I learn all the trade-skills?
    It's technically possible, but not something we're really pushing anyone to do! Personally I see additional tradeskills as just something that you might throw some lessons in if you have some laying around from say, Iron Elite, or some other windfall.
  • NellaundraNellaundra
    Tecton said:
    • What are my trade-in options for artefacts and miscellaneous other items?
      Tradeskill license permits: 100% trade-in value (200cr)

    So I can  turn in my tailoring token for 200cr instead of another permit?
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  • TarazaTaraza
    @Tecton not to be extremely nosy or anything but is there a time of when this will be going live? 
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  • KresslackKresslack Florida, United States
    Taraza said:
    @Tecton not to be extremely nosy or anything but is there a time of when this will be going live? 

    Tecton said:

    Ahmet said:
    @Tecton Any chance you've got a more exact date and/or time estimate you could give us?
    I was originally hoping this week, but with the tweaks and changes it might be next (especially with holiday commitments this week and such), but will definitely all be live before 2015.




  • GawiGawi Washington
    Tecton said:
    Xith said:
    Some people...

    Anyway, @Tecton I did have a question that might fit nicely in the update. Where do the Toxicology ingredients come from? Gathering or also from minerals? Or are they self-contained within Toxicology?
    Synthesis, Harvesting, Inkmilling.
    So if you take toxicology you are either having spend a ton on those other miniskills, or relying on others to get you ingredients? So are other trade skills this reliant? If not that is rather unfair imo.

  • TarazaTaraza
    That makes more sense okay!
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  • TectonTecton The Garden of the Gods
    edited December 2014
    Gawi said:
    Tecton said:
    Xith said:
    Some people...

    Anyway, @Tecton I did have a question that might fit nicely in the update. Where do the Toxicology ingredients come from? Gathering or also from minerals? Or are they self-contained within Toxicology?
    Synthesis, Harvesting, Inkmilling.
    So if you take toxicology you are either having spend a ton on those other miniskills, or relying on others to get you ingredients? So are other trade skills this reliant? If not that is rather unfair imo.
    There's an "or" in there, not all "and"! Yes, there is some inter-reliance on other skills, this applies to many of the other new skills too! It all ties back into the desire to keep that interpersonal contact and a bustling economy, you don't personally need to learn all of the miniskills, you can always buy reagents from another player who has it.
  • MayMay Texas
    edited December 2014
    Speaking of the custom designs in tailoring and adding more flavor to the game, can we expect to see anything in the future for containers like backpacks and pouches, or even with sheathes and scabbards?

    ...
    Even is this was tied into armorsmithing or weaponsmithing for sheathes and scabbards?

    @Tecton
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  • KyrraKyrra Australia
    @Tecton, regarding the changes to concoctions/transmutations, does that mean that the tonics/potions will be combined into one item that could be made from either plants or rocks? ie health vs health/vitality
    (D.M.A.): Cooper says, "Kyrra is either the most innocent person in the world, or the girl who uses the most innuendo seemingly unintentionally but really on purpose."

  • AeliosAelios
    Tecton said:

    Updates - December 22

    • Hammer of Forging: 100% trade-in. We'll handle this automatically, since they'll no longer offer any benefit after the change.

      Gloves of Harvesting/Extraction (will work with harvesting/extraction)
      Loki's Tear (will work with toxicology)
      Medallion of Enchantment (will work with augmentation/conjuration)
      Gold-inlaid Mill (will work with inkmilling)
      Butcher's Cleaver (will worth with gathering)
      Portable Anvil (will work with armour/weaponsmithing):

      All of the above artefacts will have 100% trade-in if purchased within the past 6 RL months. To request the 100% trade-in, please email artefacts@achaea.com.
    Just so we're absolutely 100% clear on this -- 100% trade-in means 400 credits on the HoF, yes?

    Because as I read it, 100% trade-in is 100% of trade in value (266cr).

    "You have to learn the rules of the game. And then you have to play better than anyone else."

     -Albert Einstein

  • TectonTecton The Garden of the Gods
    Kyrra said:
    @Tecton, regarding the changes to concoctions/transmutations, does that mean that the tonics/potions will be combined into one item that could be made from either plants or rocks? ie health vs health/vitality
    Correct!
  • TectonTecton The Garden of the Gods

    Aelios said:
    Tecton said:

    Updates - December 22

    • Hammer of Forging: 100% trade-in. We'll handle this automatically, since they'll no longer offer any benefit after the change.

      Gloves of Harvesting/Extraction (will work with harvesting/extraction)
      Loki's Tear (will work with toxicology)
      Medallion of Enchantment (will work with augmentation/conjuration)
      Gold-inlaid Mill (will work with inkmilling)
      Butcher's Cleaver (will worth with gathering)
      Portable Anvil (will work with armour/weaponsmithing):

      All of the above artefacts will have 100% trade-in if purchased within the past 6 RL months. To request the 100% trade-in, please email artefacts@achaea.com.
    Just so we're absolutely 100% clear on this -- 100% trade-in means 400 credits on the HoF, yes?

    Because as I read it, 100% trade-in is 100% of trade in value (266cr).
    You'll get 100% of the purchase price, yes.
  • TectonTecton The Garden of the Gods
    May said:
    Speaking of the custom designs in tailoring and adding more flavor to the game, can we expect to see anything in the future for containers like backpacks and pouches, or even with sheathes and scabbards?
    Nothing that's on the cards at the moment, but that's not to say it's never going to happen!
  • BluefBluef Delos
    Tecton said:
    May said:
    Speaking of the custom designs in tailoring and adding more flavor to the game, can we expect to see anything in the future for containers like backpacks and pouches, or even with sheathes and scabbards?
    Nothing that's on the cards at the moment, but that's not to say it's never going to happen!
    Then for Logosmas 2015, may I suggest....bartending permits! Just kidding. Sort of. Okay, I'm not all but I am so happy with the updates you provided. Thank you for clarifying! I'm really excited about these changes.
  • FendoFendo
    If you have any customisations on artefact weapons as a knight, will the price of that be lost in the trade over? 
  • TectonTecton The Garden of the Gods
    Bluef said:
    Tecton said:
    May said:
    Speaking of the custom designs in tailoring and adding more flavor to the game, can we expect to see anything in the future for containers like backpacks and pouches, or even with sheathes and scabbards?
    Nothing that's on the cards at the moment, but that's not to say it's never going to happen!
    Then for Logosmas 2015, may I suggest....bartending permits! Just kidding. Sort of. Okay, I'm not all but I am so happy with the updates you provided. Thank you for clarifying! I'm really excited about these changes.
    Most welcome!
  • SenaSena
    Gawi said:
    So if you take toxicology you are either having spend a ton on those other miniskills, or relying on others to get you ingredients? So are other trade skills this reliant? If not that is rather unfair imo.
    Inkmilling depends entirely on gathering for ingredients, and cooking relies heavily on gathering as well. Concoctions+transmutation (not sure what the new combined version will be called) relies on harvesting or synthesis. I imagine forging could easily have some interactions added as well, such as using extra ingredients from other tradeskills for certain adjectives (inks for different colours for example).
  • JonathinJonathin Retired in a hole.
    Tecton said:
    Ahmet said:
    Tecton said:

    Ahmet said:
    @Tecton Any chance you've got a more exact date and/or time estimate you could give us?
    I was originally hoping this week, but with the tweaks and changes it might be next (especially with holiday commitments this week and such), but will definitely all be live before 2015.
    That, sir, is quite the opposite of "more exact." :disappointed: 

    More precise than "when it's ready" or "soon", that's for sure!
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  • AddamaAddama
    Sena said:
    Gawi said:
    So if you take toxicology you are either having spend a ton on those other miniskills, or relying on others to get you ingredients? So are other trade skills this reliant? If not that is rather unfair imo.
    Inkmilling depends entirely on gathering for ingredients, and cooking relies heavily on gathering as well. Concoctions+transmutation (not sure what the new combined version will be called) relies on harvesting or synthesis. I imagine forging could easily have some interactions added as well, such as using extra ingredients from other tradeskills for certain adjectives (inks for different colours for example).
    And if some trade skill items/services require ingredients that are harder to obtain or found across multiple trades, you can bet that the supply of said items/services will be small, making it more likely that you can set your own price. 

    I see this as nothing but a good thing: If you want to be one of a thousand people pumping out curatives, you can take one trade skill, but if you want to be the one guy in the realms producing Prefarar (protip: I don't actually know if that's high up in Venoms), you have to nut up a bit.

    Also, if the new system forces people to buy low-tier commodities to complete high-tier items, that moves money around and creates added value.  Nothing unfair about that. 
    ~Kresslack's obsession~
  • AchimrstAchimrst Nature
    Tecton said:

    • Will there be a need for both concoctions and transmutation following this change?
      To be honest, no! Some very good points were raised in regards to skill duplication, so we're going to combine concoctions and transmutation into a single tradeskill that will make the same concocted remedies from either plants or minerals. Curative herbs and minerals will still exist as distinct items, but the remedies made from them will be standardised. So a health elixir could be made from valerian, goldenseal, ginseng, and myrrh, or from mercury, copper, and gold.

  • KardalKardal Belgium
    Hello again @Tecton In all of this I forgot to ask about a question related to runelore. With everything being standardized I wonder how Lagul, Lagua, Laguz, Gebu, Gebo will work on armour and weapons, and the 4th rune for weapons. From what I remember being said to me during the test server days, it's not going to effect stats anymore. Since everything is going to have the same values I don't mind much, but since those are some of the more useful things in runelore I hope they'll do something of equal value. 
  • AthelasAthelas Cape Town South Africa
    All of this is great for game play, but I'm honestly concerned about the effects on RP.

    Concoctions are so much part of being a druid, that this move makes for a complete destruction of even the base motives for playing a druid. The impact on the Druids house has me deeply concerned for it's continued existence.

    The introduction of Alchemy, destroyed the only mechanic forestalls had for protecting Nature, which was the denial of produce from Nature. Now, allowing anyone to basically grab what ever they want as far as plants are concerned, just destroys the concept of Druid completely. Effectively forcing a re-definition of what it means to be a Druid in Achaea.

    I get the impression that players are effectively being forced to play characters that are combat centric.

    From an in-character perspective, the gods are basically hanging around and shouting: "Fight! Fight! Fight!" while there are existing characters and players that have zero interest in combat.

    Think carefully on this!

    How would it effect a new player, when they can't earn an income with their class skills?

    What effect would it have on players who simply can not afford to purchase credits in order to gain trade skill slots?

    You can compensate a player with lessons and credits to replace things that are no longer relevant. But how do you compensate that player for the effective destruction of character motivation? How do you compensate a player, for what could amount to years of RL character building effort, around an old game mechanic?
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