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Tradeskill split
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No to comping people who have 6 tradeskills already. The point is that you shouldn't easily have that many. If everyone can just drop 693 lessons for convenience of brewing your own elixirs then people who actually use it as a trade are disadvantaged. The idea behind a price curve here is that you choose which skills you most want first, and work toward the others later.
Class skills are now for combat and utility, not trade. If you don't want your combat skills, trade in half the lessons and spend them on conjuration and augmentation.
Btw @Garden, should allow selective 50% refunding of replacement skills if people don't want them, instead of making them quit class and losing more lessons.
@Tecton will the ingredients for Toxicology be acquired through Gathering? Might affect their decision to retake the skill.
Artemis says, "You are so high maintenance, Tharvis, gosh."
Tecton says, "It's still your fault, Tharvis."
Artemis says, "You are so high maintenance, Tharvis, gosh."
Tecton says, "It's still your fault, Tharvis."
Artemis says, "You are so high maintenance, Tharvis, gosh."
Tecton says, "It's still your fault, Tharvis."
In other words, it will be just the same as any other armour, nothing special about it except that it's the best.
Also I don't want to wear denizen clothes, gross.
Craft skills were never really about making oodles of cash, they are pretty much picked by people who like designing things, rather than people who want to make money.
If you look at your credit/lesson investment in the tradeskills like a loan, then each successive skill you take will take longer to pay itself off.
At 6000/credit, a 115cr miniskill is about 690,000 gold invested. If you sell a sword and make 1000 profit (I hope you would for something like a sword), you'll make it back in 690 swords. If you make 3000 in profit per sword, you only have to sell 230 swords. Then divide that by the number of swords you sell per Achaean year (4), and you're paid off in 57 years. You make your money back faster if you can sell more weapons per year, but you're also competing with sellers who will try to undercut the prices, the same people who are doing it as a luxury and don't care about their payoff.
They are probably people who took it as their 3rd, 4th, or 5th skill out of boredom or whatever reason. They're paying a tax to achaea to make up for their probable screwing of the game economy. So long story short, the more you charge other players, the less you're paying Achaea.
tl;dr - don't undersell and the investments won't be hard on you
And you won't understand the cause of your grief...
...But you'll always follow the voices beneath.
I am not talking about swords and shit, I am talking about a part of the game that we have already paid 200 credits plus lessons to play, a part of the game that effects no game mechanics at all, and is essentially a gold sink for people who want to make their character look pretty/sparkly/dark and broody, whatever.
Given how unessential these skills are, I am also surprised that they are being lumped in with these skills. Any proper min-maxer should dump them and get something that would actually help you. This thread already has had someone mention how they craft these things, put them in shops, and have lost tons of gold. It doesn't really sound like they're in it for the money.
If there's not some reason that having clubs available is problematic, I think they should stay in, because more options (even useless ones) is nice to have. And at least two people that I know of have spent credits on useless artefact weapons (halberds) just for the flavour.
I was thinking that clubs could be the shortsword equivalent for dual-blunt knights (really high to-hit for newbies, otherwise not very good).
As for halberds and bardiches, we might see them get some respect when Sentinel loses Concoctions, beyond that I don't know.
It doesn't work that way. I can price my tuns however I want, but I'm not going to do any business if I'm the most expensive tun in town. You can trust me, I have had a little experience in this. You can't make ANY money if you don't sell anything.
Everytime my sales slow down, I do a city census and rejigger my prices. I try to buy my herbs for 2/3's what I sell them for because with discounts, I normally sell my stuff for 3/4 of what I price it. I do that to encourage young forestals and alchemists. (NOTE: 3/4-2/3 = freakishly little profit. Let's put it this way, for every 100 gold, it's about 15.)
There are too many newbie forestals who undersell their time and efforts, selling plants as if they were alchemical cures. I've seen so many of them come and go. They burn out. I mean, who wants to spend all day every day in a game doing something boring? And harvesting, even in the most gorgeous of scenery sharing interesting discussions, is boring.
When I came into the game, Oakstone had a list of recommended prices and it was what everyone used, because someone had really done their homework. Gradually, with tweaks by the Garden and no updates by Oakstone, it became pretty out of date, but man, it was nice while it lasted.
And Alchemists haven't done the work either, when someone decided that all curatives would be the same freaking price when they don't take the same amount of effort or ingredients. And primes, every transmutation needs sulphur (I'm told) and next to none (I'm told) require salt, but there's salt and sulphur for sale for the same amount because someone was lazy and can't figure out the difference.
I would adore some actual research on this. Heck, Lis would help FUND it, I bet, should anyone ask her.
Edit:
I did work out the time cost (which is pretty much the only cost) for all the minerals/fluids. Minerals are all pretty similar, and tonics/balms are all identical.
Different primes/metals being used more does make a slight difference, but only because of rift limits (it's harder to keep full on the more commonly used ones like mercury, so it's a bit less convenient, but the time cost is still the same). The changes to make them have actual scarcity might change that eventually, but so far I haven't seen a difference.