Miscellaneous Maths/Testing II

Sena

Also artefact collars, possibly magic damage icons? Not sure if icons help against denizens.

Eld

Sena said:

Also artefact collars, possibly magic damage icons? Not sure if icons help against denizens.

Hm, I initially thought collars did to, but didn't see it in the list in HELP ARTEFACTS, so didn't list it.

Isaiah

If it doesnt show up in the list you can send them an email and ask as well. It's a long shot but it may work.

Leviticus

At higher levels, is it faster to bash with Scorpion or Dragon stance? Scorpion is about .6 seconds faster than dragon which means more of a chance for critical strikes. But Dragon has more damage output (combined with level 3 knuckles)?

Sena

Just going by memory without checking actual numbers, I think scorpion has better damage output (which doesn't necessarily make it better overall). Dragon also has some randomness in its damage.

Eld

Doesn't dragon also have a bit of a defensive boost? Or was I misinformed on that?

Sena

With monk stances, defensive boosts refer to increased chances for blocks to fire, which doesn't help with bashing. Dragon has faster eq recovery, but I'm not sure how much that matters against denizens.

I'm pretty sure dragon has slightly higher damage per hit than scorpion, on average (since dragon is random, so it could be lower or higher than scorpion), but scorpion is faster so it has higher DPS, even with knuckles (which are a bit more effective in dragon because it has stronger punches). I think accuracy is about the same for both.

Eld

Ohh, that makes more sense.

Leviticus

I thought dragon had 20 percent increase to kicks AND punches, while scorpion was 30 percent to just kicks.

Sena

I gave some damage numbers for unstanced, dragon, and scorpion at http://forums.achaea.com/discussion/comment/106310/#Comment_106310.

Leviticus

Does strength matter for monk bashing? Or Cons? For high level bashing

Sena

Strength and constitution are both important. Not sure which is better to focus on.

Cooper

Strength matters, just like it does for pvp.

It's kind of a sliding scale of 'Can you reasonably tank this' that leads to 'if you can, get more strength to kill it faster'.

Kuy

@Sena, I sent you numbers for Shaman!  I probably should have dug up this thread first, hmm.  I'll also post them here!

Bleed against a falcon with 12 int was 280 damage.

With swiftcurse, I curse at ~.85s speed.

With perfect swiftcurse upkeep, I can curse 12 times.

Swiftcurse (when used while swiftcurse is already active) is ~1.8s.

12 (the number of times I can curse before having to swiftcurse again) / 1.8 (the length of the balance on swiftcurse) = .15

.85 (the unmodified length of curse while swiftcurse is active) + .15 (the modifier to each curse from having to upkeep swiftcurse) = 1s.

So, it looks like with perfect swiftcurse upkeep, a 12 int Shaman as 280 dps.

Eld

Kuy said:

@Sena, I sent you numbers for Shaman!  I probably should have dug up this thread first, hmm.  I'll also post them here!

Bleed against a falcon with 12 int was 280 damage.

With swiftcurse, I curse at ~.85s speed.

With perfect swiftcurse upkeep, I can curse 12 times.

Swiftcurse (when used while swiftcurse is already active) is ~1.8s.

12 (the number of times I can curse before having to swiftcurse again) / 1.8 (the length of the balance on swiftcurse) = .15

.85 (the unmodified length of curse while swiftcurse is active) + .15 (the modifier to each curse from having to upkeep swiftcurse) = 1s.

So, it looks like with perfect swiftcurse upkeep, a 12 int Shaman as 280 dps.

That's with nimble, I assume? And do you have a diadem?

Sena

Thanks. Can you also give the mana/willpower costs for bleed and swiftcurse?

Kuy

Eld said:

Kuy said:

@Sena, I sent you numbers for Shaman!  I probably should have dug up this thread first, hmm.  I'll also post them here!

Bleed against a falcon with 12 int was 280 damage.

With swiftcurse, I curse at ~.85s speed.

With perfect swiftcurse upkeep, I can curse 12 times.

Swiftcurse (when used while swiftcurse is already active) is ~1.8s.

12 (the number of times I can curse before having to swiftcurse again) / 1.8 (the length of the balance on swiftcurse) = .15

.85 (the unmodified length of curse while swiftcurse is active) + .15 (the modifier to each curse from having to upkeep swiftcurse) = 1s.

So, it looks like with perfect swiftcurse upkeep, a 12 int Shaman as 280 dps.

That's with nimble, I assume? And do you have a diadem?

Oh yes!  With nimble, with no diadem.  Diadem would only affect swiftcurse.

Swiftcurse is 80wp, bleed is 10wp.

Sena

Also, I forgot to mention that I'm back from vacation, so if anyone still wants to help me test the bashing abilities I listed on the previous page, I can do it now.

Melodie

Happy to help with Sylvan stuff, @Sena!

Sena

I just tested bop. The stock blackjack (60/200/200) deals 480 damage (targeted is the same as untargeted) for 3 seconds of balance (before nimble), at trans pranks.

I didn't test other stats to confirm it, but presumably it's 300+3*DamageStat damage and the standard weapon speed formula (7-SpeedStat/50 seconds). If so, then the standard blackjack at 12 strength without nimble has 160 DPS, and then 192, 211, and 235 for level 1/2/3, 273 for level 3 runed (546 damage on a 2 second balance, 1.8s with nimble).

So a runed level 3 blackjack is almost as strong as drawslash in Arash with a level 3 band, if those numbers are accurate.

And just as an aside, targeting bop makes the flavour text a bit better. Instead of "You reach out and bop Penwize on the nose with your blackjack.", you can get "You reach out and bop Penwize's head (or torso, left leg, etc.) with your blackjack."

Sena

Thornrend with 18 int is 597 damage (I'd guess 450 at 12 int, but I can't be sure), for probably 3 seconds eq without quick-witted.

Crixos

Int: 12

Decay,

Damage : 549

EQ Cost : 3.5eq      w/ quick-witted

Willpower : 16wp

Mana : 80m

Deadeyes Bleed/Bleed,

Damage : 160

Balance : 2.0s    w/ no nimble

Willpower : 50wp

Mana : 60mana

Might be slightly off on the balance/eq times.

Crixos

Damage was tested on a Baalzadeen* if it makes a difference.

Sena

Crixos said:

Damage was tested on a Baalzadeen* if it makes a difference.

It does, but I haven't figured out why. Decay does 549 against baalzadeens and 545 against falcons. Would you be willing to try bleed on a falcon to see if it's different too?

Sena

Confirmed that deadeyes bleed/bleed is 160 against falcons too, and single bleed is 80.

Sobriquet

Sena said:

I just tested bop. The stock blackjack (60/200/200) deals 480 damage (targeted is the same as untargeted) for 3 seconds of balance (before nimble), at trans pranks.

I didn't test other stats to confirm it, but presumably it's 300+3*DamageStat damage and the standard weapon speed formula (7-SpeedStat/50 seconds). If so, then the standard blackjack at 12 strength without nimble has 160 DPS, and then 192, 211, and 235 for level 1/2/3, 273 for level 3 runed (546 damage on a 2 second balance, 1.8s with nimble).

So a runed level 3 blackjack is almost as strong as drawslash in Arash with a level 3 band, if those numbers are accurate.

And just as an aside, targeting bop makes the flavour text a bit better. Instead of "You reach out and bop Penwize on the nose with your blackjack.", you can get "You reach out and bop Penwize's head (or torso, left leg, etc.) with your blackjack."

This is interesting, thank you. Been thinking about upgrading my lvl 2 blackjack but wasn't really sure on the difference it would make to me, using it only a little in pvp combined with the option of hunting in Dragon

Satyr Gallant with 13 Str, lvl 3 pendant, nimble and aim to kill traits

Utianima

Sobriquet said:

Sena said:

I just tested bop. The stock blackjack (60/200/200) deals 480 damage (targeted is the same as untargeted) for 3 seconds of balance (before nimble), at trans pranks.

I didn't test other stats to confirm it, but presumably it's 300+3*DamageStat damage and the standard weapon speed formula (7-SpeedStat/50 seconds). If so, then the standard blackjack at 12 strength without nimble has 160 DPS, and then 192, 211, and 235 for level 1/2/3, 273 for level 3 runed (546 damage on a 2 second balance, 1.8s with nimble).

So a runed level 3 blackjack is almost as strong as drawslash in Arash with a level 3 band, if those numbers are accurate.

And just as an aside, targeting bop makes the flavour text a bit better. Instead of "You reach out and bop Penwize on the nose with your blackjack.", you can get "You reach out and bop Penwize's head (or torso, left leg, etc.) with your blackjack."

This is interesting, thank you. Been thinking about upgrading my lvl 2 blackjack but wasn't really sure on the difference it would make to me, using it only a little in pvp combined with the option of hunting in Dragon

Satyr Gallant with 13 Str, lvl 3 pendant, nimble and aim to kill traits

You can borrow my lvl 3 blackjack to try for yourself, if you'd like

Trey

Utianima said:

Sobriquet said:

Sena said:

I just tested bop. The stock blackjack (60/200/200) deals 480 damage (targeted is the same as untargeted) for 3 seconds of balance (before nimble), at trans pranks.

I didn't test other stats to confirm it, but presumably it's 300+3*DamageStat damage and the standard weapon speed formula (7-SpeedStat/50 seconds). If so, then the standard blackjack at 12 strength without nimble has 160 DPS, and then 192, 211, and 235 for level 1/2/3, 273 for level 3 runed (546 damage on a 2 second balance, 1.8s with nimble).

So a runed level 3 blackjack is almost as strong as drawslash in Arash with a level 3 band, if those numbers are accurate.

And just as an aside, targeting bop makes the flavour text a bit better. Instead of "You reach out and bop Penwize on the nose with your blackjack.", you can get "You reach out and bop Penwize's head (or torso, left leg, etc.) with your blackjack."

This is interesting, thank you. Been thinking about upgrading my lvl 2 blackjack but wasn't really sure on the difference it would make to me, using it only a little in pvp combined with the option of hunting in Dragon

Satyr Gallant with 13 Str, lvl 3 pendant, nimble and aim to kill traits

You can borrow my lvl 3 blackjack to try for yourself, if you'd like

Can't wield someone else's artefact weapon.

Alcinae

Can I uh, "borrow" a Dagger of Reincarnation please?

Plz

Eld

Sena said:

Crixos said:

Damage was tested on a Baalzadeen* if it makes a difference.

It does, but I haven't figured out why. Decay does 549 against baalzadeens and 545 against falcons. Would you be willing to try bleed on a falcon to see if it's different too?

Does using decay drain a little health from your Baalzadeen?