Combat Logs

Aelios

Apparently this is a thing? 

https://ada-young.appspot.com/pastebin/f3b8374d @Talysin

Achilles

Doesn't apply to the arena death bug but can you no longer fury/engage on impale?  Might need an aldar to do it before you get balance/eq back.

Talysin

#rektsohard

Zulah

Felt like it was old days mizik hitting me with stun throw axe.

http://pastebin.com/LdexkL9mhttp://

To sum up:
Jhui Enters
You are too stunned to do anything
You are still too stunned stop trying!
You are dead

Santar

Save that up for classleads. Pretty obviously broken.

Kasa

edit: nevermind, the special is strong with this guy. Should just go to bed.

Rangor

Jhui did that to us yesterday. Come in solo with stuns going off, then earring train lands. We all move east and start sniping/axing/losing (except @ryuke, ryuke always dies first. Poor guy.). Then ashtan chases and half is stuck in traps, then we all move two west again. Ashtan tries to chase some more, but now they are hitting tripple darts while handaxes are raining down upon them. Was good fun.

Ast

Rangor said:

Jhui did that to us yesterday. Come in solo with stuns going off, then earring train lands. We all move east and start sniping/axing/losing (except @ryuke, ryuke always dies first. Poor guy.). Then ashtan chases and half is stuck in traps, then we all move two west again. Ashtan tries to chase some more, but now they are hitting tripple darts while handaxes are raining down upon them. Was good fun.

I've been wanting to do that to people for forever. @Mhaldor pls. 

Zulah

Was just surprised by two things.

1st he came in and hit totem and the stun hit me instantly while he was prone/asleep/transfixed.

2nd his stuns lasted through 2 full rounds of his attacks, 4 afflictions minimum while stunned.

I just held down "evade north" the entire time hoping to catch a break but the stun was too strong in that Jedi!


Edit: Can I have BM stun back please?

Atalkez

In all fairness you had several chances to escape (wasted bstar attempt, missed leg slash,  etc)

Tesha

Hit him while he's laying the percussia chain, or time it from when he starts standing there and avoid that room until the percussias are gone. The max length is 100 seconds, I think. Stun length is 1 second if deaf, 2 seconds if undeaf. I don't think the stun goes through shield, could be wrong. Whole group should shield and see if Jhui gets knocked off eq for 40 seconds. That gives you like 30 seconds to try to convert him before cleaving. 

Rangor said:

Jhui did that to us yesterday. Come in solo with stuns going off, then earring train lands. We all move east and start sniping/axing/losing (except @ryuke, ryuke always dies first. Poor guy.). Then ashtan chases and half is stuck in traps, then we all move two west again. Ashtan tries to chase some more, but now they are hitting tripple darts while handaxes are raining down upon them. Was good fun.

Ugh I want Sentinels so bad.

Zulah

Atalkez said:

In all fairness you had several chances to escape (wasted bstar attempt, missed leg slash,  etc)

Wasted bstar attempt? When was he bleeding?

Jovolo

I think he was implying you could (even attempt to) brokenstar Jhui off a totem hit. Should have just ran as soon as he entered the room. Artefacts are too stronk.

Zulah

Brokenstar requires 600+ bleed on target. I'm guessing you guys mean deathstrike? Which wouldn't have worked since I was stunned the MOMENT he entered the room. I could have gotten away if I had ate broot over kelp on one of the heals. But clearly that log needed time stamps to show the extent of the stun.

I ain't mad, it was stunning!

Jovolo

No, he means broken star. You could have impaled and bladetwisted while he was prone and transfixed off of the totem hit. It's a moot point though, because you never would have caused enough bleeding damage to get near a brokenstar.

Zulah

I didn't get the first unstun until he was standing from totem. Many things I could have done different was just pointing out the amazing stuns

The pressure of the Percussia comes to a head with a powerful sonic boom.

Jhui viciously jabs a Soulpiercer into you.

You gasp as your fine-tuned reflexes disappear into a haze of confusion.

The songblessing upon the rapier sings out with a piercing high note.

You are too stunned to be able to do anything.

You may eat another plant or mineral.

 +++ BALANCE ++++

You are too stunned to be able to do anything.

You are too stunned to be able to do anything.

You are too stunned to be able to do anything.

You are too stunned to be able to do anything.

You are held motionless by Jhui's epic tale of Nicator's heroism and bravery.

You are too stunned to be able to do anything.

Jhui viciously jabs a Soulpiercer into you.

The protective covering coating your skin sloughs off.

You notice that your sweat glands have begun to rapidly secrete a foul, oily substance.

The songblessing upon the rapier swells with a rich, vibrant hum.
You are no longer stunned.

Jovolo

I don't think it's viable! That's why I disagreed with Atalkez. You got unstunned once before he stood up, and you weren't stunned when he entered. That in itself isn't exactly a large window of which to set up a brokenstar. You probably could have impaled, at most.

Mizik

It's Bard.

Marv

I think Atalkez was saying that there were several chances for you to escape. One of which was this:

1. You eat a bloodroot leaf.
2. Your muscles unlock; you are no longer paralysed.
3. You remove 1 bloodroot leaf, bringing the total in the Rift to 1313.
4. You stand up.
5. You hold no "sword".
6. You discern that your target is not sufficiently weakened to unleash your wrath.3
7. You feel your limbs stiffen and lock up in response to an unseen power.

If you were really holding evade as you claimed, this wouldn't happen, would it?

Kasa

Indeed, I'm very sure atalkez was referring to the random bstar attempt in that log. 

Klendathu

Mizik said:

It's Bard.

It's @Jhui + bard

Eld

Possibly an alias that attempts to brokenstar before doing its thing, just in case, left over from when failed brokenstar attempts didn't cost balance.

Atalkez

You discern that your target is not sufficiently weakened to unleash your wrath. -- wasted bstar attempt, bleeding was not sufficient to kill

legslash jhui left You miss. -- legslash/miss instead of moving

You can't get a bstar off of a single totem hit. It's really difficult to stack enough bleeding unless they simply aren't clotting or had Impaleslash up already and you're only twisting.

Rangor

Tesha said:

Hit him while he's laying the percussia chain, or time it from when he starts standing there and avoid that room until the percussias are gone. The max length is 100 seconds, I think. Stun length is 1 second if deaf, 2 seconds if undeaf. I don't think the stun goes through shield, could be wrong. Whole group should shield and see if Jhui gets knocked off eq for 40 seconds. That gives you like 30 seconds to try to convert him before cleaving. 

Rangor said:

Jhui did that to us yesterday. Come in solo with stuns going off, then earring train lands. We all move east and start sniping/axing/losing (except @ryuke, ryuke always dies first. Poor guy.). Then ashtan chases and half is stuck in traps, then we all move two west again. Ashtan tries to chase some more, but now they are hitting tripple darts while handaxes are raining down upon them. Was good fun.

Ugh I want Sentinels so bad.

You have piety/warding/beckon. I might trade traps for that.

Jovolo

Sentinels are the bomb. Eleusis is easily the best faction for aligned classes coming from a group combat perspective. Probably on-par or slightly substandard for individual fighting.

Hasar

Magi can pseudo beckon now too.

Khorus

[System]: Running queued eqbal command: DOUBLEWHIRL HEAD HEAD
---------------->ATTACK ON Zulah : >--head--<
The attack rebounds back onto you!
A jolt runs up your arm as the runes upon your weapon discharge energy into Yourself.
---------------->ATTACK ON Zulah : >--head--<
The attack rebounds back onto you!
A jolt runs up your arm as the runes upon your weapon discharge energy into Yourself.
Failed to connect.
| 3579hp(-592) | 3806mp(100%) | 19231e| 16200we- 43%,cekdb-0/0|0/0|0/0|7 M:0
You take a drink from a cedarwood vial.
The elixir heals and soothes you.
| 4171hp(+592) | 3806mp(100%) | 19231e| 16200we- 43%,cekdb-0/0|0/0|0/0|7 M:0
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----------------->>>REBOUNDING DOWN ON Zulah<-----------------------
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With a smooth lunge to the left, Zulah draws Unrelenting Kraken from its scabbard and delivers a
powerful slash across your legs.
| 3674hp(-497) | 3806mp(100%) | 19231e| 16200we- 43%,cekdb-0/0|0/0|0/0|7 M:0
Sweeping out with a blade hand, Zulah strikes at the back of your knee.
You tumble to the ground as your leg abruptly gives out.
| 3674hp() | 3806mp(100%) | 19231e| 16200we[pr]- 43%,cekdb-0/0|0/0|0/0|7 M:0
You bleed 93 health.
| 3581hp(-93) | 3806mp(100%) | 19231e| 16200we[pr]- 43%,cekdb-0/0|0/0|0/0|7 M:0
Zulah takes a long drag off his pipe.
| 3581hp() | 3806mp(100%) | 19231e| 16200we[pr]- 43%,cekdb-0/0|0/0|0/0|7 M:0
You eat a potash crystal.
You feel your health and mana replenished.
| 3914hp(+333) | 3806mp(100%) | 19231e| 16200we[pr]- 43%,cekdb-0/0|0/0|0/0|7 M:0
You remove 1 potash, bringing the total in the Rift to 610.
| 3914hp() | 3806mp(100%) | 19231e| 16200we[pr]- 43%,cekdb-0/0|0/0|0/0|7 M:0
You eat a potash crystal.
The potash slides down without effect.
| 3914hp() | 3806mp(100%) | 19231e| 16200we[pr]- 43%,cekdb-0/0|0/0|0/0|7 M:0
You remove 1 potash, bringing the total in the Rift to 609.
| 3914hp() | 3806mp(100%) | 19231e| 16200we[pr]- 43%,cekdb-0/0|0/0|0/0|7 M:0
You have recovered balance on all limbs. (3.032s)
| 3914hp() | 3806mp(100%) | 19231e| 16200wex[pr]- 43%,cexkdb-0/0|0/0|0/0|7 M:0
Zulah draws his blade back and plunges it deep into your helpless body impaling it to the hilt.
| 3302hp(-612) | 3806mp(100%) | 19231e| 16200wex[impale bld(130) pr]- 43%,cexkdb-0/0|0/0|0/0|7 M:0
The weapon that transfixes your gut makes leaving impossible.
| 3302hp() | 3806mp(100%) | 19231e| 16200wex[impale bld(130) pr]- 43%,cexkdb-0/0|0/0|0/0|7 M:0
Your health continues to drain away as your impaled body shudders on the end of the weapon.
| 3336hp(+34) | 3806mp(100%) | 19231e| 16200wex[impale bld(130) pr]- 43%,cexkdb|b-0/0|0/0|0/0|7 M:0
You begin to writhe furiously to escape the blade that has impaled you.
You have recovered balance on all limbs. (0.656s)
| 3336hp() | 3446mp(90%) | 19241e| 16128wex[impale pr]- 43%,cexkdb-0/0|0/0|0/0|7 M:0
-----REBOUNDING UP ON YOU-----
| 3336hp() | 3446mp(90%) | 19241e| 16128wex[impale pr]- 43%,cexkdb|b-0/0|0/0|0/0|7 M:0
 --SIP UP-- (4.469s)
| 3336hp() | 3446mp(90%) | 19241e| 16128wex[impale pr]- 43%,cexkdb|b-0/0|0/0|0/0|7 M:0
You take a drink from an oaken vial.
Your mind feels stronger and more alert.
| 3336hp() | 3806mp+360(100%) | 19241e| 16128wex[impale pr]- 43%,cexkdb|b-0/0|0/0|0/0|7 M:0
Feeling returns to your right arm.
| 3336hp() | 3806mp(100%) | 19241e| 16134wex[impale pr]- 43%,cexkdb|b-0/0|0/0|0/0|7 M:0
As Zulah shifts the blade transfixing your gut, the loathsome kiss of metal ravages your insides.
You feel weak and lightheaded.
(svo): Seems that we're fighting with Blademaster - enabled class tricks.
| 3057hp(-279) | 3806mp(100%) | 19241e| 16134wex[impale bld(400) pr]- 43%,cexkdb|b-0/0|0/0|0/0|7 M:0
With an heroic effort you manage to writhe yourself free from the weapon that impaled you.
| 3057hp() | 3434mp(90%) | 19241e| 16074wex[pr]- 43%,cexkdb|b-0/0|0/0|0/0|7 M:0
You stand up.
| 3057hp() | 3434mp(90%) | 19241e| 16074wex- 43%,cexkdb|b-0/0|0/0|0/0|7 M:0

Yo. What the shit. Why can he impale/bladetwist on my every attack. That's with morningstars. This brings up a pretty big design flaw in either BM or DB, but I don't think the fact that Zulah has a level 3 band was meant to eliminate non-artied dual blunt from being able to make it farther than three/four attacks against someone doing just this over and over into brokenstar.

I know that shielding+rebounding can slow it down and make slow prep possible, but if I can't get two hits in without dropping to 0 mana with 300 bleeding, if not worse if I have to fracture, I can literally never prone, and expends are literally never getting used otherwise in this situation. Not to mention if rebounding is down and I shield, he can get an impale off during my shield eq too.

Eld

It's not the band, since if he can do that with a legslash with a band, he could certainly do it off a pommelstrike without (or maybe still with legslash, depending on your actual attack balance), and it's not specific to dual blunt, as the same thing is possible against any class with a long enough attack balance/eq time. I haven't caught up on much of the details of dual blunt, but what options do you have to hinder his attacks?

Khorus

None, outside of breaking arms, which still requires a series of hits. Outside of slow prepping a quad break by whoring shield there's literally no way to hinder them as DB, as well that was with morningstars, our fast weapon, a 2.2-2.5 balance cost. In that fight I managed to get I think four or five hits in before the damage was too high.

Ernam

Khorus said:

None, outside of breaking arms, which still requires a series of hits. Outside of slow prepping a quad break by whoring shield there's literally no way to hinder them as DB, as well that was with morningstars, our fast weapon, a 2.2-2.5 balance cost. In that fight I managed to get I think four or five hits in before the damage was too high.

This is incredibly, incredibly false.  I mean, I'd be hard-pressed to come up with something less true.  BMs have a lonnng list of methods to hinder opponents or otherwise slow their affliction/prep rate.

Also, a slow-prepped quad break (lacks affliction/mana momentum) is completely avoidable.  Slow prepping is extremely lame, but easy to not die to (unless you let them slow prep you THEN build up affliction momentum, which would be very foolish).