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  • Everyone will hate BM u til




    Penwize has cowardly forfeited the challenge to mortal combat issued by Atalkez.
  • Atalkez said:
    Everyone will hate BM u til
    Damn mobile forums. Until BM loses Evade*




    Penwize has cowardly forfeited the challenge to mortal combat issued by Atalkez.
  • Atalkez said:
    Atalkez said:
    Everyone will hate BM u til
    Damn mobile forums. Until BM loses Evade*

    Honestly BM would be OP without evade, just based on it's pure affliction power, versatility, prep speed, bypass, and it's other half-dozen incredibly powerful defensive abilities.

    It's really hard to see any of that while it still has Evade though, because for the most part, most BM players aren't even using these abilities anywhere near their potential, because all they have to do is Evade-2-win.
  • Hey now. Some of us aren't using our potential because we're such scrubs that we have to evade-2-not-lose.
  • Eld said:
    Hey now. Some of us aren't using our potential because we're such scrubs that we have to evade-2-not-lose.

    All I'm saying is that about 90% of BMs aren't using things like Health Trans, Fitness, Alleviate, Phoenix, Deaf, defensive limb breaks, rebounding, clumsiness, voidfist, and so on, as much as they could/should be, mostly because the option of "Slash/Evade/Repeat" exists, to the extent that they simply don't need to use them.  Can't say how many BM's I've killed that could have simply Health Trans'd, Phoenixed, Fitnessed, etc, but just never bothered setting them up, because they usually win just fine without having to use any of them.
  • ValdusValdus Australia
    Personally, I don't see anything wrong with having a class that's really good and has people surviving without using ALL OF THEIR TRICKS.

    Especially considering the fact, and everyone here agrees on this, that nobody uses it in high tier combat where it actually matters.

    Let people have some toys. Taking them away results in a boring game. Do you really want Achaea to turn into Imperian with 20 people online?

    Viva la Bluef.
  • edited February 2015
    Valdus said:

    Especially considering the fact, and everyone here agrees on this, that nobody uses it in high tier combat where it actually matters.


    *sigh* Could make about 5 solid arguments against this comment alone, but just not going to (because I don't want to come off as a jerk).

    Just suffice it to say that that is utterly false.

  • ValdusValdus Australia
    Ernam said:
    Valdus said:

    Especially considering the fact, and everyone here agrees on this, that nobody uses it in high tier combat where it actually matters.


    *sigh* Could make about 5 solid arguments against this comment alone, but just not going to (because I don't want to come off as a jerk).

    Just suffice it to say that that is utterly false.

    In YOUR opinion.

    Viva la Bluef.
  • In any rational person's opinion
  • ValdusValdus Australia
    Jovolo said:
    In any rational person's opinion
    Lol.

    Viva la Bluef.
  • Valdus said:
    Ernam said:
    Valdus said:

    Especially considering the fact, and everyone here agrees on this, that nobody uses it in high tier combat where it actually matters.


    *sigh* Could make about 5 solid arguments against this comment alone, but just not going to (because I don't want to come off as a jerk).

    Just suffice it to say that that is utterly false.

    In YOUR opinion.

    In the opinion of anyone actually qualified to make the statement you made.

  • ValdusValdus Australia
    Ernam said:
    Valdus said:
    Ernam said:
    Valdus said:

    Especially considering the fact, and everyone here agrees on this, that nobody uses it in high tier combat where it actually matters.


    *sigh* Could make about 5 solid arguments against this comment alone, but just not going to (because I don't want to come off as a jerk).

    Just suffice it to say that that is utterly false.

    In YOUR opinion.

    In the opinion of anyone actually qualified to make the statement you made.

    Lol again.

    Viva la Bluef.
  • edited February 2015
    @Valdus said:

    In YOUR opinion.

    Some people really need to learn the definition of the word "opinion".

    You stated:
    @Valdus said:

    considering the fact, and everyone here agrees on this, that nobody uses [Evade] in high tier combat where it actually matters.

    It is not an "opinion" that you are wrong about this.  There have only been a small handful of top-tier BMs, and they've all used Evade.  If BMs aren't using Evade against you, it's because you're not putting any offensive pressure on them.  That doesn't mean they don't use it against people who do.

  • ValdusValdus Australia
    edited February 2015
    Ernam said:
    @Valdus said:

    In YOUR opinion.

    Some people really need to learn the definition of the word "opinion".

    You stated:
    @Valdus said:

    considering the fact, and everyone here agrees on this, that nobody uses [Evade] in high tier combat where it actually matters.

    It is not an "opinion" that you are wrong about this.  There have only been a small handful of top-tier BMs, and they've all used Evade.  If BMs aren't using Evade against you, it's because you're not putting any offensive pressure on them.  That doesn't mean they don't use it against people who do.

    You're hilarious.

    The IT I was talking about, was the BM class itself and not the 'Evade' you jumped to assuming. So, next time you want to climb all over somebody, make sure you actually know what they're referring to.

    Again: Lol.

    Viva la Bluef.
  • edited February 2015
    Ok, I need someone to break this Magi thing down a bit for me.

    https://ada-young.appspot.com/pastebin/ffcf7292

    double leg break, with dehydrate on the second leg break. I'm not sure I understand the burn level thing. I scorched three times, and inferno tic'd once, then I hit with destroy. Was his burn level insufficient because he applied mending just before the destroy attempt? Which means I need to not only maintain burn, but achieve 4 distinct levels of escalation? The AB file makes it sound like I only need to have the burn affliction tic 4 times. In that case, what could I have done?

    He applied to the burn 2 seconds before I could destroy. Without retard, and a 2.1-3 second EQ on scorch, could I pull it off without retard or a diadem?  He was timefluxed for all of this as well. Server Queue messed up one of my scorches, but only delayed it by a second. And the first scorch could have been a little better timed. Between the two of them, with impeccable timing, I believe I could have pulled it off in that scenario, but I'm curious as to whether or not there's a better approach to it?

    Also, I'm still working on keeping track of what my opponent cures and whatnot, but if anyone can tell me how to order/alphabetize a table when I'm echoing it for a limb counter, that'd be great.

  • Valdus said:
    Jovolo said:
    In any rational person's opinion
    Lol.
    ?
  • Valdus said:
    Ernam said:
    @Valdus said:

    In YOUR opinion.

    Some people really need to learn the definition of the word "opinion".

    You stated:
    @Valdus said:

    considering the fact, and everyone here agrees on this, that nobody uses [Evade] in high tier combat where it actually matters.

    It is not an "opinion" that you are wrong about this.  There have only been a small handful of top-tier BMs, and they've all used Evade.  If BMs aren't using Evade against you, it's because you're not putting any offensive pressure on them.  That doesn't mean they don't use it against people who do.

    You're hilarious.

    The IT I was talking about, was the BM class itself and not the 'Evade' you jumped to assuming. So, next time you want to climb all over somebody, make sure you actually know what they're referring to.

    Again: Lol.


    No top tier combatants are currently playing blademaster, so it's fine for it to be overpowered?
  • ValdusValdus Australia
    Eld said:
    Valdus said:
    Ernam said:
    @Valdus said:

    In YOUR opinion.

    Some people really need to learn the definition of the word "opinion".

    You stated:
    @Valdus said:

    considering the fact, and everyone here agrees on this, that nobody uses [Evade] in high tier combat where it actually matters.

    It is not an "opinion" that you are wrong about this.  There have only been a small handful of top-tier BMs, and they've all used Evade.  If BMs aren't using Evade against you, it's because you're not putting any offensive pressure on them.  That doesn't mean they don't use it against people who do.

    You're hilarious.

    The IT I was talking about, was the BM class itself and not the 'Evade' you jumped to assuming. So, next time you want to climb all over somebody, make sure you actually know what they're referring to.

    Again: Lol.


    No top tier combatants are currently playing blademaster, so it's fine for it to be overpowered?
    More like if it was as overpowered as all of you claim it would be abused a lot more than it currently is. That's how every overpowered thing in the history of gaming has worked regardless of platform. MMO, RTS, FPS, MUD, whatever.

    My other point is that you shouldn't remove all the fun 'overpowered' things in a game, else your game will suck and nobody will play it. Imperian proved this. I don't want to see Achaea go down the same path and devolve into crap like that game.



    Viva la Bluef.

  • Your logic has lessened my respect for the capabilities of the human mind.

  • ValdusValdus Australia
    Ernam said:

    Your logic has lessened my respect for the capabilities of the human mind.

    With your reputation and what everyone thinks of your mind and what you respect, I'm sure I'll survive bud.

    Cheers. :)

    Viva la Bluef.
  • BM is ridic. Not a glass cannon. Not being "abused" because it's boring to just destroy everything bar 1/2 classes due to your to hit (see serpent/jester).
    Other than that, it's ridic. Fun for the first 5 minutes, then gets old.
  • I already posted why the class population argument is dumb for class PvP strength. If you want to be dumb, go ahead and use it.
  • ValdusValdus Australia
    Jovolo said:
    I already posted why the class population argument is dumb for class PvP strength. If you want to be dumb, go ahead and use it.
    Just because you feel a certain way about something doesn't mean other people are 'dumb' for feeling a different way.

    Call me some more names. It might make you feel better about whatever it is that crawled up your butt today.

    Viva la Bluef.
  • BM is OP, no doubt about it. So is nearly every class in some facet of the game right now. Sure a few of the skills are crazy, and need tweaked or removed, but what would it get in return? Changes for balance is good, but what is unbalanced except Evade and Phoenix? 




    Penwize has cowardly forfeited the challenge to mortal combat issued by Atalkez.
  • Jovolo said:
    I already posted why the class population argument is dumb for class PvP strength. If you want to be dumb, go ahead and use it.
    Careful, I just got a warning for pointing out flawed logic.

  • ValdusValdus Australia
    Ernam said:
    Jovolo said:
    I already posted why the class population argument is dumb for class PvP strength. If you want to be dumb, go ahead and use it.
    Careful, I just got a warning for pointing out flawed logic.

    Pretty sure the Admin disagree that's all you did.

    Viva la Bluef.
  • If I had known killing @Khorus as a BM would start this shit show I'd have done it sooner. B)
  • edited February 2015
    Zulah said:
    If I had known killing @Khorus as a BM would start this shit show I'd have done it sooner. B)
    Meh. It's the same argument that's been around the entire time, just more people jumping on because someone they didn't like commented on it.

    BM OP, limb prep with evade through anything, tanky in stance with transmute, second fastest skill execution (Possibly third with shaman cursing now,  but serp Dstab, shaman curses and BM are all pretty close). Easy raid mitigation = impale bot, hit one leg as fast as possible for a break/prone into multislash, annihilate couple with piety, gravehands or traps is lulzy. BM in a group basically has the potential to be a General amongst men on the battlefield and can use specific techniques to change the pace and course of a fight faster than others.

    BM played incorrectly = squishy, slower, no impales off of enemy attacks for pre impaleslash in 1v1 and so on. 

    Plus, locking potential with hypochondria. 
  • Kross said:
    Zulah said:
    If I had known killing @Khorus as a BM would start this shit show I'd have done it sooner. B)
    Meh. It's the same argument that's been around the entire time, just more people jumping on because someone they didn't like commented on it.

    BM OP, limb prep with evade through anything, tanky in stance with transmute, second fastest skill execution (Possibly third with shaman cursing now,  but serp Dstab, shaman curses and BM are all pretty close). Easy raid mitigation = impale bot, hit one leg as fast as possible for a break/prone into multislash, annihilate couple with piety, gravehands or traps is lulzy. BM in a group basically has the potential to be a General amongst men on the battlefield and can use specific techniques to change the pace and course of a fight faster than others.

    BM played incorrectly = squishy, slower, no impales off of enemy attacks for pre impaleslash in 1v1 and so on. 

    Plus, locking potential with hypochondria. 
    Quit targeting me so I can get my stars dude :(




    Penwize has cowardly forfeited the challenge to mortal combat issued by Atalkez.
  • Alaskar said:
    Ok, I need someone to break this Magi thing down a bit for me.

    https://ada-young.appspot.com/pastebin/ffcf7292

    double leg break, with dehydrate on the second leg break. I'm not sure I understand the burn level thing. I scorched three times, and inferno tic'd once, then I hit with destroy. Was his burn level insufficient because he applied mending just before the destroy attempt? Which means I need to not only maintain burn, but achieve 4 distinct levels of escalation? The AB file makes it sound like I only need to have the burn affliction tic 4 times. In that case, what could I have done?

    He applied to the burn 2 seconds before I could destroy. Without retard, and a 2.1-3 second EQ on scorch, could I pull it off without retard or a diadem?  He was timefluxed for all of this as well. Server Queue messed up one of my scorches, but only delayed it by a second. And the first scorch could have been a little better timed. Between the two of them, with impeccable timing, I believe I could have pulled it off in that scenario, but I'm curious as to whether or not there's a better approach to it?

    Also, I'm still working on keeping track of what my opponent cures and whatnot, but if anyone can tell me how to order/alphabetize a table when I'm echoing it for a limb counter, that'd be great.


    Why the retardation? It's a waste of eq if it serves no purpose. Since you're probably relying on them curing legs above ablaze to stick the burn levels anyway, I don't think the time it takes to drop retardation is worth it in this scenario.

    If he applies mending to cure burn before destroy, it won't work. Correct. You need to have the person ablaze, and then scorch and/or inferno tick 4 times total if NO mending is applied. Each mending cures one level, so everytime they apply it, you're going to need another scorch. But the idea is to get the destroy before they apply any at all. If they cure burn over legs, you go for something other than destroy by abusing the fact that they're stuck prone for so long.

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