Combat Logs

Jovolo

Have I posted misinformation?

Atalkez

Alleviate cures one per.

Antonius

Daeir said:

2h is completely immune to prone impale to my knowledge since they can stand on battlefury balance or something. A necessary evil, because they'd be PI'd to hell and back if it didn't exist.

Unless I am wrong, which does happen.

You're wrong about it using battlefury balance, but not about the fact that two-handed should be completely immune to prone/impale from a Blademaster if they actually use recover footing rather than waiting for balance to stand.

Kuy

Cobault said:

Edit: Hindsight, I actually don't desire being a dick right now.

I just don't see why when I post something lately, there's ALWAYS someone that just has to go out of their way and disagree with me... especially when there's literally 0 point to disagreeing other than just to do it.

Because you're being too sensitive.  Most of us don't disagree just to disagree.

The point of this particular disagreement is that often times people overlook the fact that out-of-the-norm priorities, especially ones that give trouble to a lot of newer combats (asthma > para, impatience > stuff [as serp]) can lead to kills just as easily as staple ones that a lot of mid-tier combatants rely on.

This is a perfect example.  If someone prioritizes asthma, then you get free para forever, meaning you can build a massive herb stack (particularly ginseng), kalmia/xentio right after an herb eat, bite scytherus, bit camus, and move into finishing the lock + the snap.  They either die to a lock or die to camus relapsing, and they can't "just run away" because, well, you're keeping the para'd forever.

Zulah

That dodge after Vitiate

[spoiler]
Vitiate (Shindo)                              Known: Yes
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Syntax:            VITIATE <target>
Works on/against:  Adventurers
Cooldown:          5.00 seconds of equilibrium
Resource:          40 Shin energy
Details:
The potent forces of Shin energy can prove crippling to the uninitiated. By directing them upon an
opponent, you may weaken your foe for a time, sapping their strength and dexterity.
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[/spoiler]

https://ada-young.appspot.com/pastebin/37f71a87

Ernam

Zulah said:

Im constantly told in spars and duels how this is a bug or that is broken. Even had people file bugs after sparring me. Hell Shecks wouldnt even finish a rampage with me until he posted on forums and logged every attack then put me on ignore when i tried to talk about it. Im highly considering class change still. Bashing sucks, everyone wants the class nerfed more but no one suggests improvements.

I know you cant judge a class by the amount of players that use it but its so underused even top tier combatants tell me things about BM that ive shown them to be misinformation from someone who lost and was unwilling to learn why.

 "Class is broken thats why i lost"
 "diag for me. Oh look you suddenly cured the torso damage you dont get an affliction msg from!"

Playing as BM teaches the 7 truths.

This is utterly untrue.   I DC'd out of that rampage (as I do most), and the reason I stated during the spar that your class is OP is because you literally did nothing for the entire fight but single leg break/impale/impaleslash, and I almost died about a dozen times.  I would be happy to dig up the log of 20+ minutes of literally nothing but writhing from impale, and trying to chase you with hamstring/evade every time you were prepped for a DSB.

It wasn't personal, and the fact that wunjo/nairat is the only reason you didn't kill me 10 times over in that spar (despite the fact that you could have softfocused/evaded through nairat) is why I said (and still believe) that BM prone/impale (particularly with slow-prep with repeated hamstring/evade) is overpowered.  It takes approximately zero skill (posted a snippet of you attempting Impale literally 8 times consecutively) and it kills about 95% of the people you use it on (and could have killed me too, if you did it right).

Again, it wasn't personal.  I snubbed you because you were getting defensive and rude about it and taking completely objective comments as a personal insult ("I think your class is overpowered" is not an insult).

Also, you snuck zero torso breaks against me, I track it extremely accurately (I know you have a level 3 band, so I can track my limb damage against you with 100.0% accuracy if I know your stance).

Just wanted to clarify.  Also, you probably shouldn't start throwing random (untrue) accusations at people on the forums when they snub you.  I'll remove it, because the only intention was to put you on a cool-off timeout, but please try to be less defensive in the future.

Zulah

Ernam said:

stuff

Yeah it doesn't always work but...

[spoiler]
You have slain Shecks.
[/spoiler]

Mizik

Zulah said:

That dodge after Vitiate

[spoiler]
Vitiate (Shindo)                              Known: Yes
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Syntax:            VITIATE <target>
Works on/against:  Adventurers
Cooldown:          5.00 seconds of equilibrium
Resource:          40 Shin energy
Details:
The potent forces of Shin energy can prove crippling to the uninitiated. By directing them upon an
opponent, you may weaken your foe for a time, sapping their strength and dexterity.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
[/spoiler]

https://ada-young.appspot.com/pastebin/37f71a87

Jarrel rocks 20 dex.

You Vitiate, he's 18 dex. Weaving.

You're not hitting that. No one is.

Kresslack

Targossas is like the Spanish Inquisition, you try to expect it, anticipate it, prepare for it, but twenty minutes go by and you forget about it until...

Steep mountainside.

A noxious, red-hued fog overwhelms the area with a thick, palpable vapour. The broken fragments of a 

basalt altar litter the ground around the massive form of a bloodsteel stalagmite. A midnight blue 

draught horse stands patiently awaiting direction. Snorting softly, a dappled grey destrier lingers 

in regal repose.

You see exits leading west, up, in, and a wormhole leading to Mount Nicator.

A wormhole is here, leading to: Mount Nicator (#10221) in Vashnar Mountains (South).

You ram the butt end of a pike into the ground and impale Aodfionn's head on it, leaving it as a 

warning to those who would cross you.

You have recovered balance on all limbs.BALANCE = YES  (0.85s)

Aodfionn, Halos, Rohai, and Ruca arrives, following Tesha from the ether. -- "Oh, hai guys! I was just sprucing the place up a bi--"

Antidas ceases to wield a Shield of Absorption in his right hand.

Antidas swirls an iron-tipped whip, coils it up neatly and slips it onto a fluvial silver belthook.

Antidas starts to wield an ephemeral bow of shadow in his hands.

Tendrils of dark shadow streak towards Antidas from all corners as he holds his hand out, twisting 

and weaving rapidly until a sleek bow of pure shadow forms in his grip.

Your left foot explodes in white hot pain as an arrow slams into it. -- "Ow! Wtf! Rude!"

Antidas

Kresslack said:

Targossas is like the Spanish Inquisition, you try to expect it, anticipate it, prepare for it, but twenty minutes go by and you forget about it until...

Steep mountainside.

A noxious, red-hued fog overwhelms the area with a thick, palpable vapour. The broken fragments of a 

basalt altar litter the ground around the massive form of a bloodsteel stalagmite. A midnight blue 

draught horse stands patiently awaiting direction. Snorting softly, a dappled grey destrier lingers 

in regal repose.

You see exits leading west, up, in, and a wormhole leading to Mount Nicator.

A wormhole is here, leading to: Mount Nicator (#10221) in Vashnar Mountains (South).

You ram the butt end of a pike into the ground and impale Aodfionn's head on it, leaving it as a 

warning to those who would cross you.

You have recovered balance on all limbs.BALANCE = YES  (0.85s)

Aodfionn, Halos, Rohai, and Ruca arrives, following Tesha from the ether. -- "Oh, hai guys! I was just sprucing the place up a bi--"

Antidas ceases to wield a Shield of Absorption in his right hand.

Antidas swirls an iron-tipped whip, coils it up neatly and slips it onto a fluvial silver belthook.

Antidas starts to wield an ephemeral bow of shadow in his hands.

Tendrils of dark shadow streak towards Antidas from all corners as he holds his hand out, twisting 

and weaving rapidly until a sleek bow of pure shadow forms in his grip.

Your left foot explodes in white hot pain as an arrow slams into it. -- "Ow! Wtf! Rude!"

Just for the record, was six minutes - I looked at history deathsight to see when the last deathsight was before yours!

Kresslack

Ah, I think that was Khalaz. Either way I was like, "Ok, things have settled down, should go pike these hea--aahhhwtfshitimdead!" Most unexpected!

Ernam

Zulah said:

Ernam said:

stuff

Yeah it doesn't always work but...

[spoiler]
You have slain Shecks.
[/spoiler]

You realize we're talking about class balance, not the size of your text pants bulge, right? 

This is why I snubbed you.

spoilers stopped being clever in 2014.

Jarrel

Ernam said:

Zulah said:

Whatever

Whatever
despite the fact that you could have softfocused through nairat
whatever

Zulah

Jarrel said:

Ernam said:

Zulah said:

Whatever

Whatever
despite the fact that you could have softfocused through nairat
whatever

Thanks! Now I know. knowing is half the battle.

Eld

Zulah said:

Jarrel said:

Ernam said:

Zulah said:

Whatever

Whatever
despite the fact that you could have softfocused through nairat
whatever

Thanks! Now I know. knowing is half the battle.

That can't be right. Evading is at least two thirds of the battle; knowing can't be more than, like, 30%.

Zulah

Eld said:

Zulah said:

Jarrel said:

Ernam said:

Zulah said:

despite the fact that you could have softfocused through nairat

Thanks! Now I know. knowing is half the battle.

That can't be right. Evading is at least two thirds of the battle; knowing can't be more than, like, 30%.

False! I was evading to avoid runes and he would hobble(hamstring) out half a second before I'd get balance from evade and brokenstar him. I'll have much better results rune chasing with softfocus though!

Rom

Softfocus only functions against implanted totems, not propped totems or ground runes. If it's functioning otherwise please bug it.

Ernam

Brokenstar going through shield also needs reviewed, or the bleeding amounts required to pull it off.  As it is, it's broken against top-tier fighters, and absolutely absurd against everyone else.  This is primarily a problem for classes that have longer attack balance than BM's prone. (Repeatedly spamming g prone impale, bladeslash/twist is WAY too easy, and being unable to run (hamstring) or stop bstar with shield is just broken IMO.).

Can we make bstar actually require using some class skills somehow, or at least some conscious thought?  I loved BM but it's depressing seeing all the current "good" BMs beatings everyone with nothing but evade prep and/or prone/impale.

Eld

Zulah said:

Eld said:

Zulah said:

Jarrel said:

Ernam said:

Zulah said:

despite the fact that you could have softfocused through nairat

Thanks! Now I know. knowing is half the battle.

That can't be right. Evading is at least two thirds of the battle; knowing can't be more than, like, 30%.

False! I was evading to avoid runes and he would hobble(hamstring) out half a second before I'd get balance from evade and brokenstar him. I'll have much better results rune chasing with softfocus though!

That was meant to be a joke about people complaining about blademasters evading in general, not a comment about the specific situation, fwiw.

Kresslack

Wait...so that's Shecks?

That explains so much...

[spoiler]Spoilers are still useful.

[spoiler]Spoiler inception[/spoiler][/spoiler]

Cynder

Rom said:

Softfocus only functions against implanted totems, not propped totems or ground runes. If it's functioning otherwise please bug it.

Message #93         Sent by Meletus

1/25/17:27 Greetings! In regard to issue 71728, softfocus does indeed work on propped totems!

Hasar

Strange. That was definitely not the case at some point.

Antonius

Not saying he's wrong about this, but it wouldn't be the first time an issue reply has had completely incorrect information.

Eld

Yeah, that's quite a stealth change if it's true. Both the AB and the announce news from when it was introduced specifically say implanted totems, and a quick searchnews doesn't turn up anything about it being changed to include propped totems or ground runes.

Softfocus (Vision)                            Known: Yes

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Syntax:            SOFTFOCUS [ON|OFF]

                   RELAX SOFTFOCUS

Drains:            Mana

Details:

At a cost of a constant mana drain, you can cause your eyes to lose

focus, which will result in seeing less detail. In particular, this

will allow you to have a 66% chance of seeing runes on implanted

totems.

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Cooper

softfocus has never been intended to work on totems or ground runes. If it does right now it's a bug. 

Ernam

Sounds like a bugfix to me, which typically aren't announced if they're minor.

I see 0 reason why it'd work as some people have suggested.  I'm no convinced it should ignore ground runes either, but there's a little room for argument there just because of wunjo/nairat.

Eld

Changing softfocus to work for propped totems and ground runes after, from the looks of it, 10 years of it only working on implanted totems, would be a major enough change to warrant an announcement (at least inclusion in a "list of bugfixes and ideas" announce post), whether it was a bugfix or not.

Antonius

Ernam said:

I see 0 reason why it'd work as some people have suggested. 

Other than the AB file stating that's how it works, right? That seems like at least 1 reason.

Kresslack

It doesn't really make sense that it would work on an implanted totem, but not a propped totem or ground runes. The entire concept of the skill seems to be be about unfocusing on runes in general.

Jovolo

Realism isn't an argument for combat mechanics