Combat Logs

Cooper

It's more like kai heal if you're trying to compare it to something. 

Xinna

Cooper said:

It's more like kai heal if you're trying to compare it to something. 

No. That's the misunderstanding. There are two separate abilities that are being discussed: enhancement and bolster. Enhancement is like weathering, and it is the ability that has the backlash. All it does is add +2 con, and 3 minutes after you put it up, it is stripped and you fall unconscious.

Bolster can only be done while enhanced, and is like kai heal, but it isn't what triggers the backlash at all. It just increases the severity of the backlash when the backlash eventually happens.

So, you are asking for something that would require a rework of how it all works, is all I'm saying. You can't just "make the backlash 10 secs" with how it currently works.

I do think it would be reasonable, though, to make it like:

Enhancement is a permanent defense, until bolster is used

Once bolster is used, a timer starts. 15 seconds later, the unconsciousness stuff happens, and enhancement is stripped, etc.

Jovolo

For clarification I meant a negative backlash to Bolster, I thought that was obvious. I was mistaken in thinking that Bolster was the thing that had the backslash in the first place. It seems strange that it is in fact Enhancement and not Bolster that has the unconsciousness effect.

Mizik

What's with the pedantic nitpicking?

The only thing that was put on the block was the pointless backlash timer. Rename both the abilities 'Sally' for all I care. Prof just loops that shit vs me, then goes to Veil-town.

Santar

Yeah, it's pretty clear we were talking about the massive prone heal in specific. I wasn't really referring to the rest.

If the only negative effect comes predictably -minutes- after the prone heal, it's basically a non-factor.  The negative effect for something like that would be balanced if it came near immediately.

Penwize

Is it hindered in any way?  Can it be stopped with broken arms, entangled, impaled or something else equivalent, like kai heal or other prone heals can be?

Santar

I think a fair balance would be for the person to start draining health at a fairly rapid pace about 10-15 seconds after they use it.  Use it to live, then escape immediately or take heavy damage.

Sena

There's no way to drop or restart the enhancement (aside from dying or logging out), so the negative effect can come immediately after the heal. It's only minutes after the first use (assuming you save the enhancement until you need to heal).

In my opinion, rather than making each bolster have its own penalty (I like having a huge backlash at the end), I'd like to see some drawback to spamming bolster. Right now, there's not much difference between using it once and using it 4 times, and no difference between 4 times and 50 times. And 4 seconds of being unconscious at 1 health (the worst it gets) isn't too much of a problem when you know exactly when it's coming. There could be a longer-lasting penalty or something that can't be avoided by running for a few seconds, or even a chance of death of overused.

Edit: I haven't tested what exactly stops it.

Santar

If you're going to meaningfully penalize the multiple uses of it, you'd have to make it stack up into the 15-60 min range.

You only need to recover to max health so often in the average fight. It's not like you need to use it every 30 seconds, or even once a minute usually if they fight is even. 

Xinna

Santar said:

Yeah, it's pretty clear we were talking about the massive prone heal in specific. I wasn't really referring to the rest.

If the only negative effect comes predictably -minutes- after the prone heal, it's basically a non-factor.  The negative effect for something like that would be balanced if it came near immediately.

No one's confused about what you're talking about. Hence my suggestion in my previous post.

Doesn't change the fact that you have to change the way enhancement works to get it to be like you want (not merely what the timer is). Again, hence my suggestions!

Mizik

No you don't. Enhancement is a great perma keep up bashing ability. Obviously, only Bolster's healing effect should shorten the three minute timer to a reasonable PvP rate of urgency.

Caladbolg

Seemingly the negativity is to strong in pvp. The timer will be obvious and being unconscious for 10 seconds is a death sentence running away the only option. (Or sitting behind a lyre going Ha ha you can't kill me) Especially if there's a third party message on using it you get the timer right he gets stuck on piety and you start cleave right before the 10 seconds starts >_>

Sena

It can't leave you unconscious for 10 seconds, as far as I could tell it's 2-4s (randomly) at most, less if you haven't bolstered 4 times (it won't be more than 1s per bolster).

In addition to unconsciousness, you're hit with 20% of your max health (counting the +2 con) plus another 20% for each bolster. It can't kill you (leaves 1 health) and doesn't wake you from sleep.

Xinna

Mizik said:

No you don't. Enhancement is a great perma keep up bashing ability. Obviously, only Bolster's healing effect should shorten the three minute timer to a reasonable PvP rate of urgency.

So basically, you didn't read my post. Ok.

Mizik

I don't read script, script read me.

Xinna

Firewalls are srs business.

https://ada-young.appspot.com/pastebin/18f1339b

Caladbolg

Xinna said:

Firewalls are srs business.

https://ada-young.appspot.com/pastebin/18f1339b

Why is your party the color your city should be.. thought Taraus was calling breathstream out on city >_<

Xinna

Caladbolg said:

Xinna said:

Firewalls are srs business.

https://ada-young.appspot.com/pastebin/18f1339b

Why is your party the color your city should be.. thought Taraus was calling breathstream out on city >_<

Taraza*

Santar

What's the difference?

Mishgul

racism

Santar

All people with Tar names look the same anyways.

Exelethril

Not sure what's more irritating, an occultist helping Mhaldor or Mhaldor not attacking said occultist and letting him help them - https://ada-young.appspot.com/pastebin/41ecaa65

Herenicus

Exelethril said:

Not sure what's more irritating, an occultist helping Mhaldor or Mhaldor not attacking said occultist and letting him help them - https://ada-young.appspot.com/pastebin/41ecaa65

We were focusing on the main threat, like we should. You would too. No more tears.

Cooper

Exelethril said:

Not sure what's more irritating, an occultist helping Mhaldor or Mhaldor not attacking said occultist and letting him help them - https://ada-young.appspot.com/pastebin/41ecaa65

Not sure what's more irritating, someone trying to make Mhaldor look bad by posting a log of someone who is enemied to Mhaldor trying to take advantage of a raid, or that person just being irritating in general.

Vaehl

Eleusians teamed me while I was fighting Proficy --> I team Eleusians with Mhaldor.

P.S They were hitting me too.

Xinna

Ayoxele is an enemy of Mhaldor, was on our enemy list during the raid, and has been ganked by Mdor several times.

Yeah, we love traitorous Occultists who raid us with Ashtan.

(How do I do that smiley that rolls eyes?)

Vaehl

But the ganks never succeed because they don't want to hurt me

Rom

https://ada-young.appspot.com/pastebin/272dc610
Clip those wings.
(Was expecting to get becalmed)

Aelios

End of a fight with Jinsun : https://ada-young.appspot.com/pastebin/419a9a94

Santar's reply : https://ada-young.appspot.com/pastebin/a94df269

Amranu

Pathfinder is fun.