Hashan Thread

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  • Sylvance said:
    Halo said:
    I'm seriously hoping that something good comes out of this for Hashan.  The city has nothing but potential and I honestly think they need a catalyst like this to get out of their "neutral" stand point.
    Be careful what you wish for.  Shallam got a 'catalyst', and I'm not sure that it was the one they were expecting.
    Hashan isn't as convoluted in ideals as Shallam was.  They have a better aim in what the city stands for and what it should represent.  It shouldn't be that complicated or tough for them to rise up as a powerhouse.  I was shocked to hear about Shallam's big splash down but I think in the long run it will rise again with a more concrete and structured feel.
  • This is getting exciting ^.^
  • VayneVayne Rhode Island
    I start my new job and end up working for 19 hours with 5 hours of sleep in between and I wake up to a war. "Ooh, so exciting!" -Blade
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  • Achilles said:
    Jacen said:
    She's a Serpentlord.

    And *Shallam can attest to our raids and defenses last night. Only Hashani
    I was surprised Hashan went on the offensive, now keep it up, only way to get better as a group.
    Halo said:
    I'm seriously hoping that something good comes out of this for Hashan.  The city has nothing but potential and I honestly think they need a catalyst like this to get out of their "neutral" stand point.
    I think the fact they tried to raid us back is a good sign.  They lost 20+ shrines in about 12 hours so its good to see they didn't just roll over.
    Just shrines, not like they are important, or even hard to remove.
  • edited January 2013
    Nothing can be done that's truly important, or hard to undo. Guards, damaged rooms, deaths in and out of city, it's all inconsequential. So yes, you're right. No one can touch you.
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  • VayneVayne Rhode Island
    They apathy towards shrines is a precedent Twilight left in past conflicts. The transcendent followers of Darkness are not concerned with such mundane things and such. While *Shallam does have a penchant for defiling shrines it does not mean that this old precedent should be continued since it was mostly an excuse for the inability of anyone to actually stand up for his shrines. Nonetheless, Hashan does not need to moan and cry over them either. OHMAHGAWD TEH SHRINES!
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  • No one's expecting you to "moan and cry over them". The mindset that defeat is impossible, therefore nothing needs to be done, is typical Hashan.

    *shallam has a penchant for defiling shrines? Just *shallam? You yourself wanted conflict - seriously, what did you expect? Something new and completely different?
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  • Coming from someone who has seen a great deal of shrine "conflict" I look at shrines this way:

    Rushing to witness when it's obviously just an opportunity to gank is of no use to the Order. Rushing to a room away and squinting in to know who your enemy is, sure. Chances are if you throw your life at them, they're just going to use your body to defile further.

    Feeling the blow of a shrine being defiled should be important, but not whine worthy. I've rebuilt more shrines than I can count and often emote some sort of ceremony with each one. It is a job well done, on behalf of mortals, to show respect and loyalty to a Divine, and should be treated as such.

    Getting the enemy back. While I personally suck at combat, I can fully respect its role in the game. I prefer a bit of trash-talk (even if it gets me killed) or retaliating in kind to their offensive, by defiling shrines in return. Personally, I generally defile alone and wait a few minutes. My actions have consequences, and if Wattsee is mad enough to defile, he's certainly mad enough to let everyone know it was him. Do I sit on a full stack of vibrations and wait to gank? No. Do I def the hell up and reflection whore? Absolutely. It's not my intention to die, it's my intention to be disrespectful/harmful on a theological level.

  • Vayne said:
    They apathy towards shrines is a precedent Twilight left in past conflicts. The transcendent followers of Darkness are not concerned with such mundane things and such. While *Shallam does have a penchant for defiling shrines it does not mean that this old precedent should be continued since it was mostly an excuse for the inability of anyone to actually stand up for his shrines. Nonetheless, Hashan does not need to moan and cry over them either. OHMAHGAWD TEH SHRINES!
    (~35 shrines)

  • VayneVayne Rhode Island

    Thaumas said:
    No one's expecting you to "moan and cry over them". The mindset that defeat is impossible, therefore nothing needs to be done, is typical Hashan.

    *shallam has a penchant for defiling shrines? Just *shallam? You yourself wanted conflict - seriously, what did you expect? Something new and completely different?
    You do not think Hashan knows what defeat is? I am sure all those around for the Qashari occupations would testify against that, and *Shallam does have a penchant for defiling that is merely a fact. No need for the hostile tone here in the forums, not sure where that is stemming from; it is only a game, man.
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  • Cooper said:

    Vayne said:
    They apathy towards shrines is a precedent Twilight left in past conflicts. The transcendent followers of Darkness are not concerned with such mundane things and such. While *Shallam does have a penchant for defiling shrines it does not mean that this old precedent should be continued since it was mostly an excuse for the inability of anyone to actually stand up for his shrines. Nonetheless, Hashan does not need to moan and cry over them either. OHMAHGAWD TEH SHRINES!
    (~35 shrines)
    lol...and Ashtan griefs people?  Sounds like Aurora needs to hop on Lathis and scold him/herself.
  • Vayne said:

    Thaumas said:
    No one's expecting you to "moan and cry over them". The mindset that defeat is impossible, therefore nothing needs to be done, is typical Hashan.

    *shallam has a penchant for defiling shrines? Just *shallam? You yourself wanted conflict - seriously, what did you expect? Something new and completely different?
    You do not think Hashan knows what defeat is? I am sure all those around for the Qashari occupations would testify against that, and *Shallam does have a penchant for defiling that is merely a fact. No need for the hostile tone here in the forums, not sure where that is stemming from; it is only a game, man.
    Sorry. So what did you expect?
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  • VayneVayne Rhode Island
    edited January 2013
    I am fine with things thus far, I was just giving an explanation for the reigning thought process. I have not been in game too much in the last couple days but Twilight's dormancy and the lessened influence of his order at current might be contributing to the fact that not many see it as something to be overly concerned with, not that that is ok, I may have to stress the importance of defending our founder a bit more.

    Even still, Twilight's order is relatively small and unlikely to always call for help when shrines are being attacked. Defiling is a fine opener but it is a boring form of conflict overall.
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  • AktillumAktillum Philippines
    I'm confused by this thread. I feel like both sides want conflict, but our side wants PvP conflict and their side wants not PvP conflict. Okay, maybe I'm not confused.

  • Whaaaaaatttt.

    Bring on the PvP, I'm game.
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  • VayneVayne Rhode Island
    Aktillum said:
    I'm confused by this thread. I feel like both sides want conflict, but our side wants PvP conflict and their side wants not PvP conflict. Okay, maybe I'm not confused.
    No, I think you are.
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  • P.s.  Nice try

  • SherazadSherazad Planef Urth
    Vayne said:

    Thaumas said:
    No one's expecting you to "moan and cry over them". The mindset that defeat is impossible, therefore nothing needs to be done, is typical Hashan.

    *shallam has a penchant for defiling shrines? Just *shallam? You yourself wanted conflict - seriously, what did you expect? Something new and completely different?
    You do not think Hashan knows what defeat is? I am sure all those around for the Qashari occupations would testify against that, and *Shallam does have a penchant for defiling that is merely a fact. No need for the hostile tone here in the forums, not sure where that is stemming from; it is only a game, man.
    I remember quite clearly that when Qashar were raiding Hashan so bad, while people were urging other people to issue (lol) and then when someone would try to provoke Hashan with defeat saying it's hugely damaging the city coffers, there was a response like Oh, we're too rich, lol, we'll just replace the guards you killed. No dents on our coffers here!

    What I'm saying is that while shrine conflict is annoying, most people would probably think an organization has the balls to play with the big boys when they can strike back. Dismissing successful pk attempts are typically what losers do to save face in most organizations.

    I guess an organization can RP something to beat the other guy in a nonPK way however I guess that's something that needs to be sooo ossum and something that I haven't really seen yet in Achaea.

    That said, with Hashan looking to be better than it was during the Qashari days, there is much more potential in really getting involved in conflict.
    Bleh, work ate my gaming life.
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  • Cooper said:
    P.s.  Nice try
    We tried :/ Had a plan, worked for a bit. Still trying to get an idea of how fast/if people will fall to ranged.
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  • Wait, what, war?

    Damn, think I missed the memo. 

  • Wait, we just started and now we're talking about losing? Wtf.

    Losing, or even winning, is the worst thing that could happen to hashan right now, because it would resolve the conflict. More than anything, we need to keep fighting.
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  • Mostly, it's just kind of disappointing for Hashan to be like "shrines don't mean anything, lol" -- I know I at least feel a small twinge of disappointment whenever I see a shrine go down. It's not the best indicator of a winner or a loser, but it's the general attitude that's frustrating on our end.
  • Jacen said:
    Cooper said:
    P.s.  Nice try
    We tried :/ Had a plan, worked for a bit. Still trying to get an idea of how fast/if people will fall to ranged.
    Without Occultists, people from *shallam shouldn't die to your range. That is assuming our Priests and Paladins do a good job using hands and defend.

  • Can't believe I'm agreeing with @Silas...
    All I need now is for @Cooper to say something I agree with and we're entering a Brave New World... :|
    Tvistor: If that was a troll, it was masterful.
    I take my hat off to you.
  • Silas said:
    Vayne said:
    You do not think Hashan knows what defeat is? I am sure all those around for the Qashari occupations would testify against that, and *Shallam does have a penchant for defiling that is merely a fact. No need for the hostile tone here in the forums, not sure where that is stemming from; it is only a game, man.
    Personally, I actually think the Qashar raids are a perfect example of Hashan refusing to admit/accept defeat. The Qashar smashed Hashan's collective back doors in on a nightly basis, but Hashan absolutely refused to accept that they'd lost.

    Of course, this isn't a problem localised to Hashan. The entire game suffers from a refusal to actually lose, because people know that game mechanics won't let them. It's always been a huge problem, though I hope that Bal'met killing previously untouchable Gods might allow people to start to break out of it.
    Wait. So what has Ashtan been doing to you all these years?
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