Third Black Wave: Electric Boogaloo

Dunn

Occupation by Rhea incoming 

Palusa

Farrah said:

Man, I would love for Targ to be occupied. Not by the TT because that'd mean I done fked up and I'd have to listen to like 10,000 "I told you so"s (vacation in Nirvana anyone?), but by someone? Yessss. That just sounds fun. Reason to be angry = reason to kill all the things. Mm mmm.

I mean, all IC aside you really wouldn't ever hear the end of it. There'd be plays about it, but remember you can always pretend it was a reverse-double ploy to get close for a righteous backstab. I assume yours and Hashan's leaders have at least THOUGHT about keeping that in your pocket in case this goes butt-up.

NO IC/OOC CROSSOVER TSOL'TETH, YOU DON'T KNOW THIS IN GAME 

Farrah

Palusa said:

Farrah said:

Man, I would love for Targ to be occupied. Not by the TT because that'd mean I done fked up and I'd have to listen to like 10,000 "I told you so"s (vacation in Nirvana anyone?), but by someone? Yessss. That just sounds fun. Reason to be angry = reason to kill all the things. Mm mmm.

I mean, all IC aside you really wouldn't ever hear the end of it. There'd be plays about it, but remember you can always pretend it was a reverse-double ploy to get close for a righteous backstab. I assume yours and Hashan's leaders have at least THOUGHT about keeping that in your pocket in case this goes butt-up.

NO IC/OOC CROSSOVER TSOL'TETH, YOU DON'T KNOW THIS IN GAME 

This has been heavily contemplated and planned for. I have several options:

(1) Abandon the Prime entirely and fight chaos abominations on another plane, never to be seen again;

(2) Reveal that I have really been serving Twilight this entire time and everything was part of the plan because Darkness;

(3) Re-processing couldn't be too bad, right? Meet Meld-Farrah. She's more OP than regular Farrah but even more socially awkward.

I am confident that I will survive.

Lenn

Lenn's plan is to convince them she's in the Tlalaiad pre-order.

I mean, look, I can even spell the name without looking it up. Obviously I'm in the pre-order.

Astarod

I see both sides but is it really too much to ask that if a city is going in a particular direction- I.E. trying to interact with the fact that the administration provided them with a great opportunity for growth and change- which brought a lot of praise from other cities when people stepped up to the plate... and you don’t like that direction... to go sit on your ship? Go hunt? Maybe don’t make puns on your city’s IC communication channel? 

I mean I am not telling you how to RP but like... don’t invasively stuff your agenda on others? 





Edit: Farrah becomes Tsol’teth bachelorette ._.

Jiraishin

Lenn said:

Sometimes the attempt to attack viewpoints comes across very diplomatically, but the underlying point remains: you have a viewpoint different from my own, stop posting it here.

I think people have gotten successively more fed up (I'm definitely starting to) not because you disagree with them, but because you keep posting responses claiming that by disagreeing with you the posters are attacking you. Often with a dose of sarcasm. It makes polite disagreement less rewarding when you know you're going to get called a fun-killing intolerant tyrant no matter what.

Palusa said:

there's a story reason, I'd have to sit down and work it out, probably steal a leaf out of @Jiraishin's particular book of zealousy (from what I've encountered!) 

Is zealousy like jealous zealotry? Tell me more.

Neraeos

Astarod said:

Stuff

I would like to point out the Archon Ascendant is the heavyweight champion of puns.

Doriel

Neraeos said:

Astarod said:

Stuff

I would like to point out the Archon Ascendant is the heavyweight champion of puns.

I think we get killed if we tell him to stop though

Lenn

@Jiraishin I don't fully agree with @Astarod but I appreciate his sentiment, and I think the question of "when is it okay to have fun again after a tragedy" is pretty tough to answer.

It's tough to answer for real tragedies too, so it might even be worth exploring ICly rather than beaten to death here on the forum.

However, his post was very civil, so I don't think he's a fun-killing intolerant tyrant.

Synthus

Neraeos said:

Astarod said:

Stuff

I would like to point out the Archon Ascendant is the heavyweight champion of puns.

I mean, wouldn't any punny dragon technically be a heavyweight champion of puns?

(I regret nothing.)

Zbaco

Synthus said:

Neraeos said:

Astarod said:

Stuff

I would like to point out the Archon Ascendant is the heavyweight champion of puns.

I mean, wouldn't any punny dragon technically be a heavyweight champion of puns?

(I regret nothing.)

He would definitely tip the scales, that's for sure.

Davok

@Lenn and @Mroxyl, I really don't understand this resistance to any trauma or challenge in your RP. Strife makes growth, and growth is interesting. You guys have had like a decade to squat in Cyrene and RP about pastries and butterflies and happiness, god forbid something really inspiring and meaningful happen to you. My problem with all these posts is they act as if they are mutually exclusive. The good times are /that much better/ knowing you survived, that you eked out your little joys and your friendships and your jokes in the wake of almost having them taken away.

Was it really that awful to have two weeks of intense roleplay and event-driven gameplay? If you're upset by all the screaming children and drowned corpses maybe try doing something about it in game. Lead a memorial service. Help bury the dead. Hell, you can even just gather people up wake-style and have a celebration to honor your people if you prefer not doing 'dreadful' things.

I am really glad at least some of the people in Cyrene understand that what they've been given is rich opportunities, rife with the possibility to do fun things that -in no way invalidate your ability to hang out with your friends and bake cookies or whatever the fuck it is you do-. No offense to @Skye. I'd eat those baked goods in a hot minute. If you felt helpless or like you couldn't do anything during this event, maybe you need to evaluate your own self-imposed limitations, not those you're imagining the admin are placing on you.

Just my two cents.

Shub

With respect to Targ's well-being, there have been occasions where the gods were displeased with us enough to cause people to worry about her survival. I'm of the opinion that it is only by their grace that the whole thing doesn't break apart and flow down that cliff into the ocean. I wouldn't dismiss the possibility for something devastating to happen some day, I don't think Shallam gives us any sort of immunity. Character wise, I think recent events ought to make us more grateful for what we have and more invested in protecting it. We aren't safe, bad things happen, we have to grow beyond our previously assumed limits to face these new challenges. To haughtily disregard the possibility of all consequence and go about your merry way is to tempt fate, to temp fate in a setting where gods are demonstrably real is suicidal.

The 'I don't want to play that type of game' logic makes no sense to me. The game we're playing revolves around assuming the role of characters in a certain setting with a specific mythology and history. Its character acting with a little bit of combat sprinkled on top. The setting has been laid out, now act accordingly. Those who perform well get to enjoy better and more interaction from their peers, those who do not will be ignored or treated with contempt, that is the type of game we are playing.


In other news, I'm a little glad for this brief lull in wave activity, there is a lot of ministerial work I need to catch up on.

Lenn

@Davok

I'm enemied to Cyrene, and my character hates the city and thinks this is something like karmic retribution for them.

I'm also enjoying most of this event, admittedly by totally ignoring the parts I wouldn't like.

My complaint about grimness is the long-term push I've seen. This event is merely a small part of that. There are occasionally silly things too, but they're very, very often exclusive, and often looked down upon even when the admin is driving it (see earlier complaints about the tsol'teth goofing off with Targossans ).

My complaint about people telling other people to shut up on the forums really is that. I see it happen all the time.

Kiet

@Lenn

No offense, mate, but if you read the mythos of Achaea, did even a cursory reading of its IC history (both before and after player-history started), or even paid attention at all to the world around and you decided 'hey this is the perfect setting for me to roleplay reality-detached slice of life rp with no conflict' the issue is squarely on you.

To pretend Achaea is 'grimdark' simply because it's not a moe anime setting is pretty asinine. It's simply a world that's pretty heavily defined by constant conflict of various sorts. Within this world, we still have a house literally dedicated to clowns (and mimes roam their backyard), we still have teen dwarves that are impressed by dragons and call people 'sea lady.' But it is a world that tries to be fully-realized, and that involves bad stuff sometimes. If you seriously are so opposed to anything bad ever happening, why play a game like this? I'm sure there's some k-on roleplay mud out there or something instead that would've been 100% more painless to play if that's something you're so firmly set on. Surely, you, at some point, must have realized that conflict is a big part of Achaea and its value, why suddenly change your mind?

Doriel

Kiet said:

@Lenn

No offense, mate, but if you read the mythos of Achaea, did even a cursory reading of its IC history (both before and after player-history started), or even paid attention at all to the world around and you decided 'hey this is the perfect setting for me to roleplay reality-detached slice of life rp with no conflict' the issue is squarely on you.

To pretend Achaea is 'grimdark' simply because it's not a moe anime setting is pretty asinine. It's simply a world that's pretty heavily defined by constant conflict of various sorts. Within this world, we still have a house literally dedicated to clowns (and mimes roam their backyard), we still have teen dwarves that are impressed by dragons and call people 'sea lady.' But it is a world that tries to be fully-realized, and that involves bad stuff sometimes. If you seriously are so opposed to anything bad ever happening, why play a game like this? I'm sure there's some k-on roleplay mud out there or something instead that would've been 100% more painless to play if that's something you're so firmly set on. Surely, you, at some point, must have realized that conflict is a big part of Achaea and its value, why suddenly change your mind?

On the large scale conflict and lack of ‘silly’ things. In my, albeit short, experience with the real world, generally big, world effecting things aren’t going to be a whole lot of fun, but day to day interactions are going to be. That’s where I found most of the silly in achaea, interacting with other players and watching very small scale stuff play out. Large scale events aren’t going to be silly, because generally if something is big enough to garner the attention of most of the world, it’s going to be serious.

Melodie

Kiet said:

we still have teen dwarves that are impressed by dragons and call people 'sea lady'

That's pretty sea lady to you, mister.

Lenn

Light-hearted but world-wide events have included intercity competitions hosted by Lord Ardryn, Mayaween and Logosmas every year, and arguably the fifty year staff competition.

They're pretty fun, and I'm happy to be in a city again in time for the last one.

Y'know, maybe part of my grumpiness with no light-hearted stuff is that it seems often tied to cities, which gradually grow more and more grim over the years, Mhaldor excluded (I sometimes think they're wrapping around into looney toons territory, except the violence is quite visceral, so sadly still not to personal taste).

Jiraishin

Lord Adryn's tournament included watching soldiers get their throats slit in their sleep whenever we screwed up. It don't get much more grimdark than that. Though watching Mezghar try to bribe a unicorn with carrots was funny. That was actually a pretty good example of something serious where there was personal-scale silliness that fit the situation.

I don't think the cities have gotten more grim, really, except for Cyrene's temporary situation. It feels more like they've grown into factional identities for the most part. 

Ailea

I'm thinking it would be the wisest to move the ranting part it to to rants, where it needs to be (at this point).  And continue providing any factual or discussion evidence like this forum is meant to be. 

Just my two cents. While plotting...

Thaisen

Just for the record I'd like to chime in as a Cyreniaian who has enjoyed the majority of the event! (Didn't start out liking it, but it has grown on me )

Thank you very much admin team for all your hard work attempting to make this game fun for as many people as possible.

Caelan

Cool so this thread can be closed, yeah @Nicola ?

Melodie

I mean, the event isn't over yet...

Skye

Davok said:

I am really glad at least some of the people in Cyrene understand that what they've been given is rich opportunities, rife with the possibility to do fun things that -in no way invalidate your ability to hang out with your friends and bake cookies or whatever the fuck it is you do-. No offense to @Skye. I'd eat those baked goods in a hot minute. If you felt helpless or like you couldn't do anything during this event, maybe you need to evaluate your own self-imposed limitations, not those you're imagining the admin are placing on you.

Not sure why I'm getting tagged here. But okay? 

Cyrene has always been considered the 'softer' option for people who do not want to get involved in the factional strife and prefer the slice of life type of RP. That's a fact. It's also one of its charms.

But in the context of this thread, all I've been pushing here is that there is a time and place for it. I got tells about how pretty the new river is... presumably because admin had not yet had time to code horrifying room messages about corpse popsicles floating down it yet. Call it a lack of imagination or simply an inability to use some initiative in roleplay, but as someone who was feeling 'deep in the mood' so to speak, it was pretty jarring.

Let's also use a real life example as to why some of us are put off by how fast other Cyrenians were to fall back into old patterns (correct answer may vary on cultural context):

Picture yourself as a teenager still in the purview of your parents. A family friend has passed away. You do not know this person, you've never actually seen them before in your life but your parents and their siblings know them so everyone's getting dragged along. At the wake, you see your cousins. Now, you're all young and love to have a good time and clearly this dead dude has nothing to do with you and so you don't really feel anything. Do you:

A) scream "EEEEEEEEEY!" Immediately kick back with your cousins and crack loud jokes at the tables where everyone else is sitting

Ask if you and your cousins can leave after a suitably respectful amount of time

C) Slink off with your cousins, nobody will notice you're gone anyway.

D) Stay where you are and make polite conversation, but privately text your cousin under the table the same jokes you would have wanted to make in option A. 

E) Stay where you are and make polite conversation and leave when your parents think it's appropriate to leave (probably a couple of hours).

Anything between B to E would be fine. All we're saying is don't do A.

And for the record, I don't feel helpless or restricted by my own self imposed limitations (a character can certainly do, but I speak as a player), I do feel challenged by how my character must now respond to this situation that I have (quite cacklingly mad) thrown her into. Because the roleplay is very much about how to work your character in all situations, not just the ones you enjoy. As a player you're welcome to divorce yourself from it and stepping away, but you do the GMs/admin and other players a disservice if you simply choose to no-sell it because 'it's not your jam' or it's 'ruining the thing I liked best about being in X city'. Other people are really working hard.

So yes, eat your cookies and drink your tea if you want, but remember they haven't even had the fuckin funeral yet. Or maybe they did while I was sleeping (damn timezones!), in which case carry on I guess.

Accipiter

I'm interested to hear what people want Cyrene to be motivated by in the new world. One off rivalries don't work out so well, that is why all the cities have their aggressive factions now. So what ethos is Cyrene supposed to take now they aren't allowed to be neutral?

Torinn

Cyrene comes first!  Can't trust others any more!

Kaedan

Accipiter said:

I'm interested to hear what people want Cyrene to be motivated by in the new world. One off rivalries don't work out so well, that is why all the cities have their aggressive factions now. So what ethos is Cyrene supposed to take now they aren't allowed to be neutral?

I don't think they aren't allowed to be neutral? Sure, they may hold a grudge against Hashan and Targossas, and we'll see how those relationships work out, but nothing about what happened indicates that after this they don't remain neutral.

Davok

@Skye you were tagged because I wasn't meaning to imply there is anything wrong with cooking. The comments prior to your tag were about the vocal minority, not you.

Skye

right-o. And yes there is nothing wrong with cooking, I did challenge the Tsol'teth to a cooking match even though she was so scared of me that when the time came to face me in the kitchen, she opted for suicide by clocktower instead. Some people were disappointed. 

Doriel

Skye said:

right-o. And yes there is nothing wrong with cooking, I did challenge the Tsol'teth to a cooking match even though she was so scared of me that when the time came to face me in the kitchen, she opted for suicide by clocktower instead. Some people were disappointed. 

I was, new items for Skye's food are always a want