Third Black Wave: Electric Boogaloo

Cooper

Fuck that. 

I want the Terminus of Destruction.

Atalkez

I would rather have the double scythe or 100% Dictate abilities 😂

Shub

I thought I was the only one that felt the starship troopers vibe in the city, I wasn't gonna say anything.

Cooper

Atalkez said:

I would rather have the double scythe or 100% Dictate abilities 😂

You have the ability, just not the skill! 

Darrod

Shub said:

I thought I was the only one that felt the starship troopers vibe in the city, I wasn't gonna say anything.

Mobile Infantry is Starship Troopers. Space Marines are from Warhammer 40k.

If anything, Cyrene is more Mobile Infantry at this point.

Farrah

Kiet said:

Talian said:

Kiet said:

Talian said:

Kiet said:

That's one thing I am concerned about/hope for, actually. The cities that allied with the Tsol'teth, assuming the Tsol'teth are driven back by force, should face actual consequences for it.

I don't mean like grief them out of the game or delete them (necessarily...) but at least something in a room desc to remind them they were seen as traitors to the rest of the continent or w/e.

Why? If they are/were keeping with the RP of their org why should they be punished or diminished for it?

?? This isn't an OOC punishment, seeing some kind of blown up room in a desc isn't exactly gonna do anything to you OOC. Ashtan had a historic room of theirs deleted for less. ICly, they betrayed what is essentially the rest of the world, why wouldn't they have an IC punishment? Obviously that might be up to the players to administer but I'd hope there'd be admin support for it.

OOC? I'm not talking OOC. I'm talking why should they have a room blown up, or anything detrimental because the IC perception of the world is they betrayed them? Doesn't the world think that of Mhaldor on a daily basis? I personally think they should be rewarded for going out on a limb and trying something new versus being the next in line to be the "hero" saving the world.

Only people who don't really understand Mhaldor's ideology believe that, though. It's hard to argue (if this turns into world war tsol'teth, as I said, and these are very specific ifs) that allying yourself with the alien race trying to destroy everyone else is gonna be quite the same as "I just wanna rule the continent guys." For one thing, it's the difference between your sibling punching you and some stranger on the street.

Your argument is showing a rather strange lack of ic/ooc division though. You want to reward them for trying something new, but that's an entirely ooc consideration. Unless you actually look at this from an IC perspective, of course you're going to disagree immediately.

I don't think it's fair to say "only people who don't understand..." Targossas is canonically very opposed to Mhaldor, and not due to a lack of understanding. We definitely don't view them as a sibling, and would prefer to co-exist with the Tsol'teth than with them (part of the reason for the alliance).

Skye said:

One thing I feel is that there is a tacit, if somewhat meta, understanding between players/characters. If a theological city was forced/guided by their patron who orders a certain course of action, then it becomes an ideological god vs god issue. And that is pretty much Bison Tuesday for Sapience.

If the decision is clearly made by the mortal leadership to knowingly submit/Consort with an alien force that has historically been bad news for the world, then that community has performed an act of betrayal towards Sapient kind. It is a people vs people issue. There's no god to hide behind for that sort of behavior, even if said god later belatedly chooses to endorse it with favours.

This is so OOC though. IC actions that are perceived as OOCly "worse" should not have more severe IC consequences than IC actions that were ICly worse. IC, Mhaldor chooses to serve Sartan and anything they do in his service they are really responsible for. Bal'met was also massively worse than what the Tsol'teth have done. It's an entirely different scale of threat.

That being said, I love IC consequences and conflict and would have no problem with such consequences hitting my own city, where it makes IC sense. Obviously, it all depends what actually happens IC.

Telendrieth

Darrod said:

Shub said:

I thought I was the only one that felt the starship troopers vibe in the city, I wasn't gonna say anything.

Mobile Infantry is Starship Troopers. Space Marines are from Warhammer 40k.

If anything, Cyrene is more Mobile Infantry at this point.

Blu's Roughnecks, on the field! 
Just as an aside, there is a group of mining units that is a throwback to Rico's Roughnecks and I adore it. 

Thaisen

If there is one thing I have learned from all of this, it is that nobody understands what "Good" is...fifty lashings for every Harbinger...

[Deleted User]

Good means to protect innocents and kick dormant members from your house.

Mroxyl

For IC consequences, all sorts of things come to mind, both for cities and characters. If the Coalition wins, they demand some form of reparations from any city allied to the Tsol'teth, and a good bit of the city gets destroyed if they don't comply. Or they must agree to some binding thing for a certain amount of time. If the Tsol'teth win, something similar. On an individual level, signs going up in shops 'No dogs or Targossians allowed.'  City enmity based on citizenship in losing cities, forcing reparations that way. 

I think consequences for this could, and should, be ongoing long after it 'officially' ends, as there are a lot of IC hard feelings going on between cities and characters. Having everything just drop and back to normal once admin ends it seems like it would be pretty jarring.

Jiraishin

Things only go back to normal as much as the players let them. Look how much Bal'met, and Mhaldor's role in it, gets brought up rl years later. 

Zbaco

Telendrieth said:

Darrod said:

Shub said:

I thought I was the only one that felt the starship troopers vibe in the city, I wasn't gonna say anything.

Mobile Infantry is Starship Troopers. Space Marines are from Warhammer 40k.

If anything, Cyrene is more Mobile Infantry at this point.

Blu's Roughnecks, on the field! 
Just as an aside, there is a group of mining units that is a throwback to Rico's Roughnecks and I adore it. 

Still waiting for my combat armour and jetpack...

Caelan

Zbaco said:

Still waiting for my combat armour and jetpack...

Gotta be an NCO for the armor.  Jetpack is Staff NCO and above. Sorry, Junior.

Zbaco

Caelan said:

Zbaco said:

Still waiting for my combat armour and jetpack...

Gotta be an NCO for the armor.  Jetpack is Staff NCO and above. Sorry, Junior.

DAMMIT

(does retired NCO count? :P   )

Caelan

Zbaco said:

Caelan said:

Zbaco said:

Still waiting for my combat armour and jetpack...

Gotta be an NCO for the armor.  Jetpack is Staff NCO and above. Sorry, Junior.

DAMMIT

(does retired NCO count? :P   )

I'm with you there so.. yes. 

Darrod

Telendrieth said:

Blu's Roughnecks, on the field! 

Just as an aside, there is a group of mining units that is a throwback to Rico's Roughnecks and I adore it. 

Adrik

Trusad'an says in a smooth, baritone voice, "We believe we have achieved an adequate translation of

the joke."

Atalkez nods at Trusad'an.

Trusad'an says in a smooth, baritone voice, "A member of the line of Law, a member of the line of

Conquest, and a member of the line of Progress meet. It is a tense moment."

Trusad'an says in a smooth, baritone voice, "The Conquest line's eyes glow. The Law line's shadow

uncoils. The Progress line's... legs twitch."

Trusad'an utters a deep, rumbling laugh.

Trusad'an utters a deep, rumbling laugh.

Trusad'an utters a deep, rumbling laugh.

Trusad'an says in a smooth, baritone voice, "We contend that it is funnier in the language of Anzari

-tarin."

Gattan'bahar hesitates.

Gattan'bahar says, "Negative."

Lenn

Sending mending to Balan'ukia for that sick burn.

Palusa

Adrik said:

Trusad'an says in a smooth, baritone voice, "We believe we have achieved an adequate translation of

the joke."

Atalkez nods at Trusad'an.

Trusad'an says in a smooth, baritone voice, "A member of the line of Law, a member of the line of

Conquest, and a member of the line of Progress meet. It is a tense moment."

Trusad'an says in a smooth, baritone voice, "The Conquest line's eyes glow. The Law line's shadow

uncoils. The Progress line's... legs twitch."

Trusad'an utters a deep, rumbling laugh.

Trusad'an utters a deep, rumbling laugh.

Trusad'an utters a deep, rumbling laugh.

Trusad'an says in a smooth, baritone voice, "We contend that it is funnier in the language of Anzari

-tarin."

Gattan'bahar hesitates.

Gattan'bahar says, "Negative."

EDIT: WRONG SCI-FI, CARRY ON. I'M STILL ONTO YOU.

Synthus

Still not a fan of the Tsol'teth "banter." 

Makarios

On the subject of organisations: there aren't really any genuinely moral cities in Achaea as we'd understand it other than Cyrene. There are certainly more overtly immoral ones, but even the good guys are an extremely radical and murderous bunch by any irl standard. Claiming otherwise is very much buying into the IC propaganda of the organisation (which, admittedly, some organisations do extremely well).

Adrik

Don't worry @Synthus I got more "banter" for you!

You say with a Jaruvian accent, "Why was six afraid of seven?"

Gattan'bahar says, "Negative."

Trusad'an says in a smooth, baritone voice, "We do not understand. Seven is inefficient. Why would

Six be afraid of it?"

Gattan'bahar says, "Negative. Sixth of sixth is stronger than sixth of seventh."

Gattan'bahar says, "Proven."

Trusad'an says in a smooth, baritone voice, "Yes. Tests were undertaken."

Gattan'bahar says, "We do not like jokes."

Farrah

Makarios said:

On the subject of organisations: there aren't really any genuinely moral cities in Achaea as we'd understand it other than Cyrene. There are certainly more overtly immoral ones, but even the good guys are an extremely radical and murderous bunch by any irl standard. Claiming otherwise is very much buying into the IC propaganda of the organisation (which, admittedly, some organisations do extremely well).

I don't see how Cyrene could possibly be viewed as moral, either. They regularly commit genocide!

Makarios

Farrah said:

Makarios said:

On the subject of organisations: there aren't really any genuinely moral cities in Achaea as we'd understand it other than Cyrene. There are certainly more overtly immoral ones, but even the good guys are an extremely radical and murderous bunch by any irl standard. Claiming otherwise is very much buying into the IC propaganda of the organisation (which, admittedly, some organisations do extremely well).

I don't see how Cyrene could possibly be viewed as moral, either. They regularly commit genocide!

I mostly mean from an ethis angle. Adventurer's in general are a pretty crazy bunch.

Synthus

Adrik said:

Gattan'bahar says, "We do not like jokes."

That in and of itself is the greatest joke the Tsol'teth could ever muster. 

Iloisee

I, for one, think the Tsol'teth banter is hilarious and am glad I can read it on the forums. Don't worry @Synthus they will get serious (again) soon enough, I'm sure. This is recovery time, don't waste it!

Synthus

Iloisee said:

I, for one, think the Tsol'teth banter is hilarious and am glad I can read it on the forums. Don't worry @Synthus they will get serious (again) soon enough, I'm sure. This is recovery time, don't waste it!

I hope so. I hope they get serious and that whatever they are planning gets done and over with soon. 

To say I'm burnt out on this event is an understatement. I'm really hoping Cyrene goes back to what it was before all this started via some Deus Ex Machina, but I'm not holding my breath on that happening either. I just wanna see what the damage is gonna be so I can determine where I go from here as a player. 

Elisella

Don't make me introduce them to the glubber joke. I'll log in and do it.

Armali

People have become too efficient at clearing Tide and now I'm sad.

Palusa

Makarios said:

On the subject of organisations: there aren't really any genuinely moral cities in Achaea as we'd understand it other than Cyrene. There are certainly more overtly immoral ones, but even the good guys are an extremely radical and murderous bunch by any irl standard. Claiming otherwise is very much buying into the IC propaganda of the organisation (which, admittedly, some organisations do extremely well).

Even Cyrene is pushing it. Name a single IRL state that has a "It's okay to kill mostly anyone not us, leave the locals alone, not because we're humane, but because historically we don't want to annoy them" law. Non-interference and let the world be in terms of the adventurer class, but denizens are still fodder! 

EDIT: @Farrah already made this point, I am sad.