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@Ismay that's such a ridiculous argument, Achaea is littered with opportunity costs where, if you want a certain luxury you have to do certain things to maintain it. Having to sail on occasion to reach islands to prevent people from clogging harbours with a ship they never intend to sail again is a perfectly reasonable thing. Y'all were given a good thing with small harbours and ship return and a handful of you are abusing the hell out of it so you never have to sail. Of course, it makes no sense to implement such a change without changing the cost/consequences of sinking. Changing the consequences of sinking to be less brutal should be priority number one to improving seafaring for everyone.
Reminisce with me, if you will, back to that very first interaction I -ever- had with Jinsun. Taleila hadn't long finished paying off her ship and renamed it. One of Taleila's children had marketed that they were seeking passage to Clockwork Isle. Taleila's ship was docked in Riparium, as it usually was at that time, because Clockwork Isle was a place I frequented back then. Contacted the child, told her to meet me on the ship. Because she marketed for passage, I was already preparing for a dealing with Pirates. We set sail, and were about 5 rooms outside of the harbour at Clockwork, when, lo and behold, out pops Jinsun on Yard and Fundament. (Internal dialogue: "Called it.") He gets one shot fired off--likely grappling me. I don't even give him the chance to hail me before I yelled to him, offering to pay him if he'd stop firing. I had COMPLETE control in that situation, as the person under attack. He didn't fire another shot. We paid him, and because of the amount we offered him, he even went so far as to give my ship 6 months of safe passage. Then he went on about his day (with me asking him questions about things in tells, because well, that's how Taleila do).
I've been on both sides of interactions with pirates. When you deal with pirates, YOU are the one in control of the interaction. Because if you show us respect, we'll give it right back. It's REALLY simple not to get sunk. (And sinking sucks, let me tell you. I dropped over 40k just to get a ship back after going down from dealings with a leviathan--and they're a lot less forgiving than Pirates, let me tell you.) If I show up and fire on your ship, and you yell "Hey, stop, I have gold. Lets strike a deal." (or some such something similar) We hold fire while working out negotiations (Unless you do something so monumentally stupid as to try and escape, instead of actually negotiating. At that point, you lose all respect and I will not try to negotiate with you again and will just sink that ship any time I encounter it, forevermore). But if you want to yell obscenities and vitriol, we won't give you half a chance, and we won't even feel bad for it. If we fire on you, hail you, and you choose not to respond? You'll sink, and we won't feel bad, because we gave you the chance to respond. When I first joined the PoM (and honestly, when I sailed with Jinsun before I was even officially a member) I sailed with Jinsun fairly often. We're talking about over like.. 15+ IG years here (personal records show my earliest logs on ship combat at 7 June 2018). In all that time, I have NEVER seen him literally just "steamroll" someone, unless they decided to be stupid and yell obscenities and vitriol.
And if you don't want us to fire on you at all? There's always the purchasing of safe passage, which you can contact -any pirate- about, at any time, even if we're not in game. Shoot us a message, or a letter. We're pretty good about contacting people back. Pirates aren't nearly the assholes everyone makes us out to be. We enjoy good RP, and fun interactions just as much as the next guy. And Sinking sucks. We KNOW sinking sucks, and we give you RP opportunity to avoid getting sunk. Our ships sink just like anyone else, and when we get sunk, we have to pay too. We know it sucks. Yes, we enjoy ship combat. It's fun for us. It would be more fun if it didn't cost so damn much to salvage ships.
tl;dr: If you give us nothing to work with, we do what we do. If you be dicks, we do what we do. If you give us some healthy interaction/RP (even if it's anger, without the vitriol--meaning YOU FIGHT BACK) you have better luck dealing with us. If you just want to avoid getting sunk, just pay us. Our prices are very reasonable, when compared to sinking.
and if ship trades didn't suck so hard, I'd do them more often, but they interest me less and less. There have been a lot of great suggestions by several different people, ( @Laedha and @Jinsun and a couple others I can't recall straight off without looking back) that could make ship trades a lot more interesting to me personally (as in, for my own pockets, and not because Pirate).
And you won't understand the cause of your grief...
...But you'll always follow the voices beneath.
Maybe admin can help us out by considering some of the ideas in this thread but even if not, people can generally be less assholey when they get attacked at sea. Pirates also could be less assholey when people are frustrated and try to guide the interaction into something more flavorful.
Anyway, I personally would like to see the seas more active, and I find it incredibly frustrating that it sounds like there's no admin support in the direction of updating ship trades to be worthwhile. I also would be interested in changes to island harbours, because while I do benefit xp-wise from camping Ilyrean and Suliel sometimes, the whole dynamic of camping islands for more than like 2 IC years at a time is ridiculous (although some change to northern chops to make Ilyrean and Suliel worthwhile to sail to would be nice, if we're omitting camping).
And from what I've read about Annwyn, there's no way I'm even attempting that. The payout isn't worth the effort/threat involved.
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Different strokes for different folks :P
I love sailing, and yes we are a conflict based game. I do have one idea that may solve some way what the problem is. Just as Ships are salvageable, and you can get back some or most of your crew, I would request the harbour masters of Sapience to begin Salvaging the crates of the goods lost at sea, Alas salvaging operations have been over taken by adventurers and cost them coin.
However, if they were to salvage lost cargo, selling it back to the ship captain for a decent profit, the harbours would profit from having more gold, and in turn, they may seek to increase the number of berths they have for ships.
I mean yes some complain that the harbours are too small, that some ships dock indefinitely, but some harbours make little coin. Also, I would see the harbours begin charging rental fees every 6 achaean months for those ships that seem stagnant, just sitting there for years on end.
For the Harbour Masters! May they make the coin they need for their harbours.
A seaspell that prevents a ship from being targeted by another ship, and also prevents that ship from targeting another. Could only be invoked in a harbour, and would cost 25,000 gold to invoke it or shut it off. The spell could only be turned off or on every two weeks, real world time.
I do understand that it isn't a perfect solution, but I'd like to see more people active on the seas. At the moment, it's not uncommon to find people interested in sailing, they check if certain people are awake, and, if they are, 'Nope, I'll go do something else.' How many ships never leave harbour at all, because their owners aren't interested in dealing with getting sunk? This would give an option for being peaceful, but you can switch the ship if you're looking for combat. It would stop someone from flipping the switch in the middle of a fight, or changing it every day. Granted, someone with multiple ships could have immunity on some of them, but they also couldn't go attacking if they are on the peaceful ship.
Edit: It would be better to make people participate in ship combat more and/or act as escorts or do other activities that dissuade active piracy or stupidity. Inventing a mechanic that motivates and rewards laziness isn't suitable. The argument could be made that ship combat is too complex and requires automation unless you want to lose more often than not, so changing that could perhaps draw more people in. Or cities could have more reasons to own ships other than to say they do and trade on them.
If I recall, all but the very best trade deals are very much balanced for one person, and of questionable value even in that case.
If you want more people sailing in groups, there's got to be mechanics and rewards that accommodate that style of play.
Otherwise why sail when you can get to dragon and hunt instead?
I'm not interested in ship combat, so anything that makes it more like getting murdered on land where it's over in a couple of minutes and you go your way doing what you want, I'd likely be supportive of. I'd really like to be able to put contracts on people for piracy, but pretty sure that's never happening.
Edit: The idea of the gold cost was so there's some cost to either going aggressive or non combatant. Likely a sea spell wouldn't work, either, it's more to toss an idea out and get thoughts on it.
Not saying anybody -has- to do it, but learning enough to be able to evade an attack nearly all the time will probably take most people like 2-3 hours of practice. I feel like there's enough gold to be earned at sea from fishing and monster hunting, not even putting trades in there, that some risk of being sunk is fair. I'm very very sure the admin will never approve a spell or toggle or something that makes you unable to participate in ship combat at all because it makes sailing too low-risk for the gold you can make.
I would love some sort of a player-organized 'signal' that you want to be open combat and won't try to get anybody enemied for anything they do to you. I don't put a city flag on my ships for that reason.
I'd like to see your suggestions brought to life, as I think it would be an improvement over the current situation.
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