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I thoroughly enjoy IG shouts between factions, and any time I yell or shout I am always expecting the other side to do the same back. Cyrene, and Eleusis recently, are the only cities where I've had people straight up go to OOC and tell me to, and I quote, "Go fuck myself." because I shout some shit. On numerous occasions.
But, to each their own. Some people might not like that aspect of conflict.
The tank was whatever, really. We made some mistakes that could have otherwise tided things in our favour. We'll hopefully learn. I had a lot of fun with the skirmishes, so I am not going to complain in the least.
I will point out, though, that its more likely we try and use guards when we get raided with numbers meant to stomp us. I know, I know this is not always the case, and that some people are more guard-happy than others, but in general at least this rings true to me.
And you won't understand the cause of your grief...
...But you'll always follow the voices beneath.
Here is the only Cyrene attack from yesterday. 24 minutes from sanction to tank, 51 minutes from sanction to end sanction (reminder: 30 minutes from last kill to end of sanction). Apparently 24 minutes is 3 hours in Cyrene time.
Here is from two days ago, just in case you meant this one. That lasted 45 minutes (again, sanction lasts 30 minutes after the last kill happens, so 1:12 of game time is actually equal to 42 minutes).
Please stop making things up.
Also....
@Taryius ONE OF US! ONE OF US!
You have slain Prythe.
Your triumph suffuses you with a great rush of experience.
Total darkness falls upon your location, the might of Shirszae banishing all illumination from the land.
Still doesn't change the fact we've 3-5 man raided you plenty with no ret but you somehow only remember the one time you wiped us a few times.
But, it's nice to see what a consistent, concerted effort to keep things fair for the defenders nets you, what a waste of time.
My experience of Mhaldor's vastly different- we're nearly always holding people back because we know if we bring more than 3-4 in the time I play, we won't get a fight at all. Probably best to avoid sweeping generalizations, really. In your time in-game, things might be one way, but to say 'everyone in Mhaldor does X or Y' seems a little presumptuous, when by your own admission, people of a certain faction play with a different attitude, no?
ETA: Alrena doesn't even let us tank people very much
(edited out the blatantly negative bits) Ouch.
I wouldn't mind a little shared XP, though. A bit more motivation for participation when I know I'm going to spend most of my time getting cheesed to death or just straight up wrecked.
proven false multiple times in this thread. No point can be made on false pretenses. The point was based on hyperbole and fabrication.
It's at a point now where people are incredibly quick to jump on the few examples of the bad to paint it all as bad, instead of realizing that all cities will be involved in anyway they can to get a win. You don't hear the infiltration attempts and setting up with a group only to get instant OOC messages that "you won't get a fight/we cbf engaging" and then having to move on, rinse and repeat X times until SOMEONE finally does. I enjoy raiding, and small skirmishes to a lesser extent. 1v1 isn't my jam, and even though I'll slowly get there I put it at the bottom of "why I play" because it's a dick measuring contest that I can't be arsed for.
It's especially infuriating when people have told you that you've kept it fair during the fight and enjoyed the engagement, only to have someone 6 hours later link you the log of a detonation and go "OMG YOU ONLY WIN WIF NUMBERS FUCKING 1V1 ME SCRUBLORDS" and it sends you to a point of "why do I want to engage with these people on any level for any reason?" Raiding mechanics may need some fine tuning, but until players can take a loss on the chin (FROM MEMORY, I've not engaged twice, both with ashtan, one was me, melodie and 4 novices, so neither of us had NFI what to do, second time we were outnumbered but Iaki and I were discussing what to do and I was waiting to swap to monk to try and use a few tricks to help on our end).
People are going to bitch and whine about why they lost, and use varying degrees of reasoning, if it's 12v13, it's outnumbering, if it's 8v5 it's out escrow or having noobs, if it's dead even 5v5 with perfect situations and no wind and everyone uses the same golf clubs it's "Factional classes". I've received a small amount of positive discussions after wins or losses, and a boatload of negative, angry smallish ranting as well. The small amount of positive was making keeping things fair worthwhile, but it's piled onto a point where if people are going to complain anyway, might as well give them a reason too so it isn't just hyperbole and lies.
Mhaldor is not some special case of Honourable Raider.
If you're willing to make (or stand by) an argument like 'If Mhaldor ever loses, they come back with more, and they do that until they win or run out of people.' then you better be ready to prove that it happens 100% of the time because that's actually what's written. Calira didn't write 'Sometimes, if Mhaldor loses etc. etc.' She didn't write '55% of the time, if Mhaldor loses etc. etc.' She wrote 'If Mhaldor ever loses etc. etc.' which is absolutely and completely not my experience of playing in Mhaldor.
If you're going to make a statement and posit it as fact in any place where a conversation can take place, maybe stay away from generalisation and stick to specific instances, unless you actually have significant, meaningful data to support your claims? Else you're just begging for someone to come punch holes in a statement like that, really.
And to say raiders don't have the advantage when entrenched is fucking laughable, when the abilities in certain groups sometimes means the best course of action a defending city can take is to ignore the fact you are there.
That said, a public message on disarm would be great and probably all it needs.
Turn on the font and let it tick and you're looking at a massive increase in damage in 15ish minutes.
Paired with the ability to safely redef/group up on a guard stack (earrings mitigates this a bit, I confess, but since not all of us have earrings, regrouping is still a bit tricky for some of us, myself included), you have some prety significant advantages there.
ETA: I'm not villifying anyone for using guards, my point was more that it's rich to accuse someone of 'cheesing' when your own team is predisposed to use the simplest and most low-effort option in calling for help even for an incursion of a couple or a trio of people. By admission, Cyrenians are more disposed to doing this than anything else, and I don't think Dochitha would've been lying about that- and he certainly knows Cyrenians better than I do, so I'm inclined to take his word for it.
Coupled wifh Quake, you can literally rush the room directly without losing anyone or hitting any totem from the raiding party.
Raiding is slated in favor of the defense party without question, barring skill disparity or large number disparity.
The entrenchment people complain about isn’t really that bad when you adjust properly. Can’t really adjust to a 30% increase to damage taken, or whatever.
Penwize has cowardly forfeited the challenge to mortal combat issued by Atalkez.
That was part of a two-sentence statement literally making a point about how it's odd to call someone else cheesy and then by and large bank on guards. It was an attack on an apparent double standard in certain persons' attitudes, not an indictment on the effectiveness or how prevalent guard use is as a whole, across all of Achaea. You probably shouldn't just cut out parts of people's arguments and then attack them for not addressing a point they're not trying to make.
Leave cheese out of this.
Cheese is amazing and I won’t have you slandering its name over and over.
Only city that doesn't just randomly give up despite having a shot (sometimes not even having a shot, really) and they usually keep a positive attitude.