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  • KrossKross
    Max health and Artefacts (like knuckles for monks) are the only things that determine limb damage for monks. DMG rating on weapons for Knight classes also affect limb damage
  • EldEld
    Kross said:
    Max health and Artefacts (like knuckles for monks) are the only things that determine limb damage for monks. DMG rating on weapons for Knight classes also affect limb damage
    Stance affects monk limb damage, as well.
  • XithXith
    Xith said:
    Generosity in hypnosis. Tested earlier and it seemed to do nothing. What does it do now?

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  • LilianLilian
    is 142-tohit going to be enough to reliably hit people for combat? I don't have the option to rune it to get that extra 10 points, so just wondering if I should be happy with what I've found or if I am going to honestly have trouble with it? Also I guess what is better, 70-150-225 or 62-142-235? Bard and all (I hope) so I know voice balance wants fast and such.
  • AccipiterAccipiter
    @xith same thing it always did? It gives random stuff out of your inventory to people in the room. Probably didn't work because everyone has selfishness up 100% of the time nowdays.
  • AntoniusAntonius
    Given the theft changes I'd guess it's just a padding affliction these days (so ultimately pretty pointless).

    Results of disembowel testing | Knight limb counter | GMCP AB files

  • AradorArador
    @Lillian that 142 is going to be frustrating as all hell, as a Knight I would not even consider it, but I am not sure if Bard accuracy works the same way that it does for Knights.

    150 at least and if you ever want to fight a serpent/jester then 170 if you want to hit something.

  • LilianLilian
    as far as I can tell we dun have anything that increases to hit, other then leveling swashbuckling and weaponry..and the 225 speed rapier makes my jab speed (I have nimble) 2.9 seconds too, guess I'll look for something 230 with more acc then.
  • JovoloJovolo
    edited February 2014
    There is no way you jab at 2.9 seconds with a 225 rapier while Nimble. You're mistaken or bugged.

    Even still it is quite slow, but it should be good enough to help you get the basics down until you can afford a x/150/235 rapier.
  • LilianLilian
    edited February 2014
    You lash out at Arionna with an ornate steel rapier, but miss.
    4992h(100%), 4649m(100%), 22661e, 19016w | XP: 99% | cdbk|e  |(00:41:35.754)- [ H | I ]
    You sing a graceful maqam of el'Jazira at Arionna, who seems unmoved.
    4992h(100%), 4549m(97%), 22661e, 18996w | XP: 99% | cdbk|e  |(00:41:35.847)- [ H | I ](-100m, 2.2%) 
    Arionna says in a soft voice, "Hmm."
    4992h(100%), 4549m(97%), 22671e, 19002w | XP: 99% | cdbk|e  |(00:41:37.093)- [ H | I ]
    "Ta da!" Zandre says to you with a proud expression on his face.
    4992h(100%), 4549m(97%), 22671e, 19002w | XP: 99% | cdbk|e  |(00:41:37.345)- [ H | I ]
    You have recovered balance on all limbs. (2.886s)
    4992h(100%), 4549m(97%), 22671e, 19002w | XP: 99% | cdbk|ex  |(00:41:38.640)- [ H | I ]
    You have recovered voice balance.

    well it was 2.8 this time, but that's the lowest I've seen it. I've seen it as high as 3.080

    Edit: 

    WEAPON                               DMG  TO-HIT  SPEED    MTHS LEFT
    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
    dagger274166                          69     153    199       123
    shortsword495641                      87     260    134        97
    rapier138497                          70     150    225       149

    just to prove I am not going crazy.


    and to show I am not insane, I used a 231 rapier..

    Lightning-quick, you jab Shirszae with an ornate steel rapier.
    Horror overcomes Shirszae's face as her body stiffens into paralysis.
    The songblessing upon the rapier sings out with a piercing high note.
    4992h(100%), 4449m(95%), 22662e, 19030w | XP: 99% | cdbk|e  |(00:54:33.935)- [ H | I ]
    Shirszae eats a bloodroot leaf.
    4992h(100%), 4449m(95%), 22662e, 19030w | XP: 99% | cdbk|e  |(00:54:34.994)- [ H | I ]
    You have recovered balance on all limbs. (2.773s)
    4992h(100%), 4449m(95%), 22672e, 19030w | XP: 99% | cdbk|ex  |(00:54:36.708)- [ H | I ]
    You say in a quiet voice, "..2.7?"
    4992h(100%), 4449m(95%), 22675e, 19030w | XP: 99% | cdbk|ex  |(00:54:40.091)- [ H | I ]
    You say in a quiet voice, "OH."
    4992h(100%), 4449m(95%), 22675e, 19030w | XP: 99% | cdbk|ex  |(00:54:41.582)- [ H | I ]
    You say in a quiet voice, "I wonder."
    4992h(100%), 4449m(95%), 22675e, 19030w | XP: 99% | cdbk|ex  |(00:54:43.376)- [ H | I ]
    You cease wielding a bard's flute in your left hand.
    4992h(100%), 4449m(95%), 22675e, 19030w | XP: 99% | cdbk|ex  |(00:54:45.101)- [ H | I ]
    You cease wielding an ornate steel rapier in your right hand.
    4992h(100%), 4449m(95%), 22675e, 19030w | XP: 99% | cdbk|ex  |(00:54:49.406)- [ H | I ]
    You begin to wield an ornate steel rapier in your right hand.
    4992h(100%), 4449m(95%), 22675e, 19030w | XP: 99% | cdbk|ex  |(00:54:52.090)- [ H | I ]
    You cease wielding an ornate steel rapier in your right hand.
    4992h(100%), 4449m(95%), 22675e, 19030w | XP: 99% | cdbk|ex  |(00:54:56.396)- [ H | I ]
    As Shirszae lights the bowl of an adder-shaped pipe, the adder's jeweled eyes flicker as a fine 
    smoke rises from its mouth with a faint hiss.
    4992h(100%), 4449m(95%), 22675e, 19030w | XP: 99% | cdbk|ex  |(00:54:56.499)- [ H | I ]
    Splashed with the reflected radiance of the stars, Achaea's outermost ring glitters ghostly pale 
    against the night sky.
    4992h(100%), 4449m(95%), 22675e, 19030w | XP: 99% | cdbk|ex  |(00:54:57.906)- [ H | I ]
    You begin to wield an ornate steel rapier in your left hand.
    4992h(100%), 4449m(95%), 22675e, 19030w | XP: 99% | cdbk|ex  |(00:54:59.526)- [ H | I ]
    Lightning-quick, you jab Shirszae with an ornate steel rapier.
    Shirszae dodges nimbly out of the way.
    4992h(100%), 4449m(95%), 22662e, 19030w | XP: 99% | cdbk|e  |(00:55:02.665)- [ H | I ]
    Shirszae ponders the situation.
    4992h(100%), 4449m(95%), 22662e, 19030w | XP: 99% | cdbk|e  |(00:55:03.437)- [ H | I ]
    You have recovered balance on all limbs. (2.934s)
    4992h(100%), 4449m(95%), 22672e, 19030w | XP: 99% | cdbk|ex  |(00:55:05.600)- [ H | I ]

    Shirszae has a 2.1 speed..I don't get it!
  • ShecksShecks
    edited February 2014
    Just to cover our bases, you have Nimble, yeah?

    The only other thing I could guess would be if they added a new input to jab speed since I was bard, which would probably be Dex.  I have never heard of anything affecting your Jab speed other than racial bonus (trait) or weapon speed, though.

    She wasn't standing in your canticle harmonic, right?
  • LilianLilian
    I have nimble yes, and no, no harmonics were up.
  • ShecksShecks
    You're not accidentally using the wrong rapier?  I wouldn't ask if I hadn't done it.
  • LilianLilian
    edited February 2014
    Edit: figured out the problems..and you know what, I don't feel like talking about them >_>;;..still weird how using Death from above effected my- OH wait I got it song blessed, then my speed with it increased.
  • RispokRispok
    edited February 2014
    Lilian said:
    as far as I can tell we dun have anything that increases to hit, other then leveling swashbuckling and weaponry..and the 225 speed rapier makes my jab speed (I have nimble) 2.9 seconds too, guess I'll look for something 230 with more acc then.
    Does weaponry assist bard speed? I have heard a few times that it does not.
  • LilianLilian
    It doesn't as far as I can tell, Shirszae is at Expert and I'm at gifted and we're the same speed. (She has latency it seems, cause my 225 should not be on her 231's level)
  • ShecksShecks
    Latency shouldn't affect your speed readings, assuming it doesn't fluctuate wildly.  (If you have lag > 50ms you should average it out over a large sample)
  • AntoniusAntonius
    @Lilian Those 6 points of speed aren't going to make that much difference. I'd be surprised if you could notice a difference between the two to be honest.

    Results of disembowel testing | Knight limb counter | GMCP AB files

  • LilianLilian
    Yeah, like I said when we figured out what was wrong, my 225 was at comparable speed to Shirszae's 231. The 235 might be A BIT faster, just not enough to give up on having 150 hit..plus my current one has 70 damage, so I can learn some basic damage strategies that'll make up for my 11 str (but 13 int)
  • ShecksShecks
    So, I take it your rapier wasn't songblessed?  Or using the wrong one?  (Both?)
  • JovoloJovolo
    So what is your corrected speed @Lilian ?
  • WessuxWessux Chattanooga
    Antonius said:

    @Lilian Those 6 points of speed aren't going to make that much difference. I'd be surprised if you could notice a difference between the two to be honest.

    I've noticed, at least as knight, that ever 5 points rounds out to be .1 seconds. Now you might not notice it at some levels of speed, but .1 could be the difference in two leg dsb and three limb dsb.
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  • XerXer Langley
    edited February 2014
    Canticle affects the Bard using it as well, btw. Not just allies in the room.

    On that note - Expert Diagnoser, how does it work exactly? Cost on using it, how often can it be used, Tree balance recovery time increase, etc.
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  • XithXith
    Accipiter said:

    @xith same thing it always did? It gives random stuff out of your inventory to people in the room. Probably didn't work because everyone has selfishness up 100% of the time nowdays.

    Someone behind the scenes may have broken it cause I was standing with selfishness off with the affliction for like 5 minutes. Nothing happened
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  • JovoloJovolo
    @Xer It increases tree balance by 5 seconds and it was previously on a 10 second balance, but I remember it being increased in speed not that long ago. Chances are between 5 and 8 seconds. Easy enough to test with a tempTimer at 5, 6, 7 and 8 seconds and seeing which ones fail. Sorry I have no up-to-date info
  • LilianLilian
    Shecks said:
    So, I take it your rapier wasn't songblessed?  Or using the wrong one?  (Both?)
    It wasn't songblessed, you don't get the bonuses to swashbuckling till it is
    Jovolo said:
    So what is your corrected speed @Lilian ?
    2 seconds flat with a 225
  • KafzielKafziel
    You should be about 2.25 with a 225. I wouldn't rely on the built-in svo timers unless you're spamming prompts, for some reason they seem to come in around 0.2s fast for me for everything.

    No empty prompt spamming:

    You leap into the air and launch a flying kick at Hasar.
    You connect!
    You have recovered balance on all limbs. (4.963s)

    You leap into the air and launch a flying kick at Hasar.
    You connect!
    You have recovered balance on all limbs. (4.825s)

    Empty prompt spamming:

    You leap into the air and launch a flying kick at Hasar.
    You connect!
    You have recovered balance on all limbs. (5.113s)

    You leap into the air and launch a flying kick at Hasar.
    You connect!
    You have recovered balance on all limbs. (5.152s)
  • LilianLilian
    Ah okay, 2.25 still isn't bad at the very least! Till I get something with 150tohit/230+ speed
  • KafzielKafziel
    2.25 would be without canticle as well, you're going to be a shade slower than 2 with canticle.
  • SuladanSuladan
    Do the various passive curing skills (syphon, panacea, necklace of purity, etc.) as well as the general curing skills (bloodboil, fool tarot, etc.) cure on a first afflicted, first cured basis or it is a random affliction, or ... ? 

    Are they capable of curing anything focusable? Or anything a Tree tattoo would cure? 
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