Quick Combat Questions

Penwize

Frozen bypasses parry and prevents dodging, like paralysis would.  Also pretty sure it has higher damage shivers, but not 100% on that one.

Jovolo

It also increases physical balance recovery. Think Lethargy.

Antonius

@Xith: A lot of breath weapon attacks from red dragons do more damage if you're ablaze.

Xith

Wondered about that. I'll have to test if fire always does more to ablaze targets

Eld

Xith said:

Wondered about that. I'll have to test if fire always does more to ablaze targets

I believe red dragon breath and blade master flame infusion are the only fire attacks that have been explicitly stated to do so.

Xith

So I have level 1 of each. Is it smarter to just upgrade the collar to level 3 (cost: 1200 cr)

or upgrade both to level 2 (cost: 1150)

Sashes: (to increase intelligence)

   Epicurean Sash:           500 credits (+1 intelligence)

   Sash of Wisdom:          1250 credits (+2 intelligence)

   Sash of Caymus:          2500 credits (+3 intelligence)

Collars:

   Collar of Ceylon:     400 credits (+10% magical damage)

   Collar of Diablerie:  800 credits (+15% magical damage)

   Collar of Agatheis:  1600 credits (+20% magical damage)

Anyone have math opinions?

EDIT: i'm magi but will also one day be shaman, jester and so on

Kyrra

I personally feel that having level 1 of anything is not really worth it. A lot of people will say that level 3 of anything isn't necessary but having had level 3 of a lot of things, there's a significant difference there. I'd suggest upgrading both to level 2 and going from there.

Sena

Xith said:

So I have level 1 of each. Is it smarter to just upgrade the collar to level 3 (cost: 1200 cr)

or upgrade both to level 2 (cost: 1150)

It looks like upgrading both to level 2 is always better, even if all you care about is the damage. Unless there's some attack that's boosted by the collar but not int.

And going up to the next step (2000 credits to spend), upgrading to L2 sash + L3 collar (1950 credits) is better than L3 sash + L1 collar (2000 credits), at least for damage. It's not a huge difference though, so the L3 sash might be worth it for the improved mana/willpower/skins.

Aitox

Is Thornrend damage magical (coz higher INT spec equals more damage), cutting, or venom? Asking about venom damage, because I apply loki.

Sena

Pretty sure it's magic damage (only because of hearing that from a few people), but haven't tested it myself.

Shecks

Diminishing returns don't start until what, 19?  If you're not at the dim return cap, I'd say int, because it has benefits aside from just damage increase (most notably, more mana/regen).  All in all, I agree with Sena, though.  The damage increase from level 2 sash and collar will be almost the same anyhow, you'll just get more mana at the same time.  As a bonus, the sash will be useful if you change class, and the collar most likely will not.

Trevize

Shecks said:

Diminishing returns don't start until what, 19?  If you're not at the dim return cap, I'd say int, because it has benefits aside from just damage increase (most notably, more mana/regen).  All in all, I agree with Sena, though.  The damage increase from level 2 sash and collar will be almost the same anyhow, you'll just get more mana at the same time.  As a bonus, the sash will be useful if you change class, and the collar most likely will not.

Diminishing returns start right away. Sena posted this originally, but I don't have the quote, so here:

13: 6.54%
14: 12.20%
15: 17.57%
16: 22.77%
17: 27.83%
18: 32.80%
19: 37.68%
20: 42.49%
21: 47.24%
22: 51.94%
23: 56.59%
24: 61.20%
25: 65.77%

Shecks

Damn.  That sucks.

Exelethril

Trevize said:

Shecks said:

Diminishing returns don't start until what, 19?  If you're not at the dim return cap, I'd say int, because it has benefits aside from just damage increase (most notably, more mana/regen).  All in all, I agree with Sena, though.  The damage increase from level 2 sash and collar will be almost the same anyhow, you'll just get more mana at the same time.  As a bonus, the sash will be useful if you change class, and the collar most likely will not.

Diminishing returns start right away. Sena posted this originally, but I don't have the quote, so here:

13: 6.54%
14: 12.20%
15: 17.57%
16: 22.77%
17: 27.83%
18: 32.80%
19: 37.68%
20: 42.49%
21: 47.24%
22: 51.94%
23: 56.59%
24: 61.20%
25: 65.77%

Does this relate to just INT or STR too, btw?

Florentino

Both, AFAIK.

Sena

Both, but it's also just an estimation, and only applies to most (that I know of) str/int attacks, not all.

Cooper

@kyrra you don't fight and you also think that things like the painters pallet are smart purchases.

A few level one arties are always going to be better than a single level 3 artie. The credit cost per benefit is much, much lower on them.

Kyrra

I said they were convenient, and I get a lot of use out of them @Cooper.

And if you'd read what I said, upgrading level 1 items to level 2 would be better than upgrading a single item to a level 3 which most people have insisted in the past isn't entirely great. Great reading comprehension.

I usually get the advice of a handful of people directly before buying or upgrading arties, and that includes the opinion of those that do pk. I like to make informed decisions.

Cooper

If you read what I said, I didn't comment on you saying upgrading more than 1 to level 2 is better than 1 to level 3. I only commented on you saying that level 1 isn't worth it. Great reading comprehension.

Rexia

Ugh, how do you deal with this? It just kinda seems stupidly easy to pull off.

http://pastebin.com/30LNk1YX

Cooper

You didn't clot much if at all. Once you are over 600 bleeding they can kill you, so the solution is to clot.

You should be able to survive that easy.

If they use impaleslash before that though it's a different story, you won't have enough mana. You need to run asap after that.

Jovolo

Of course they're easy mode if you don't cure them! It'd be like refusing to use herbs against an alchemist. easymode class. 

H: 3781 (89%), M: 2990 (70%)

You should only die to a blademaster if your mana is at 0, otherwise it's inexcusable. Make a macro to send clot 8 times and 'SHOW BLEEDING'.

Rexia

Hey, I'm not refusing to cure. I'm asking what to do.

Basically, I should spam clot after that? I mean it's SVO, so clot is gagged and I was literally dead after the first bleed message, so cut me some slack huh?

Cooper

You clot before you bleed not after. Or should, anyway.

Jovolo

1. You groan in pain as Fendrel twists the blade within your gut.

'show bleeding' to display bleeding every time you're afflicted with it. The above message gives 250 bleeding typically, or 350 if you have a broken torso.

Aandd you've been given advice as to what to do. You're welcome.

Rexia

Cooper said:

You clot before you bleed not after. Or should, anyway.

Not sure if you're giving advice here or suggesting I should have done this before. If you're giving advice, thanks, I will try that. If you're suggesting I should have done that in the log before, I had literally no way of knowing I was about to get a bleed message. That was the first bleed message I got and then I was insta-dead.

Rexia

Jovolo said:

1. You groan in pain as Fendrel twists the blade within your gut.

'show bleeding' to display bleeding every time you're afflicted with it. The above message gives 250 bleeding typically, or 350 if you have a broken torso.

Aandd you've been given advice as to what to do. You're welcome.

Yay. And it wasn't like getting blood from a passive-aggressive stone or anything.

Jovolo

How do you think advice works? You know, you have to assume some semblance of ignorance in order for advice to actually have any meaning? Stop acting like a victim because it was insinuated *gasp* you didn't know what to do in a situation, once. Now you do.

jeez.

Rexia

Edit: blah blah blah I'm over sensitive.

Kuy

No one said that. You're overreacting.

If you ask for advice and get defensive when someone gives it to you, don't expect more advice in the future.

Be grateful someone helped you, not spiteful that they didn't help you in the exact way you expected them to. No one here is obligated to keep you satisfied; they're helping you because they're being nice.