Quick Combat Questions

Antonius

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Degeneration attune: ^You determine that \w+ is suffering from (\w+)\.$

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Andre

When you multi-class do you have a different race for each class slot?

For example I am considering being a Horkval bard as my main, but if I slot runewarden as a second class and am stuck with Horkval and couldn't wear armour that would suck.

Tydas

Andre said:

When you multi-class do you have a different race for each class slot?

For example I am considering being a Horkval bard as my main, but if I slot runewarden as a second class and am stuck with Horkval and couldn't wear armour that would suck.

You have a different race specialisation. So, you'd still be Human (for example), but maybe Savant for your Magi and Man-at-Arms for Runewarden, and Rogue for your Serpent. But you can't be Human for your Magi, Troll for your Runewarden, and Atavian for your Serpent, not without a reincarnation gem.

Puxi

I believe he's asking if you get to pick another race with a new multi-class slot and I believe the answer is No. You need to get the artefact that allows you to switch everyone 24/12hrs.

Antonius

Level 2 gem is once every 2 hours, not once every 12.

Keorin

Can someone remind me what the minimum possible doublestab balance is? I ended up in an argument about it, and I'm trying to tell if it got changed since I last knew

Cooper

I'm honestly not 100% sure, but it's likely between 1.7s and 1.8s with 15 dex and a Thoth's fang. My internet isn't reliable enough to get an exact time down, and the test server doesn't account for the dex influence.

Sena

The cap is still 2.1s before nimble, 2s with L3 dirk (1.89 and 1.8 after nimble). The dex scaling was changed in August, but the caps stayed the same.

More specifically, the base speed is 2.8s, each point of dex above 13 subtracts 0.14s, each level of artie dirk subtracts 0.2s, and a L3 dirk has 0.1s faster cap.

Exelethril

Does anyone happen to have the damage reduction % value of the Enduring Fury trait? Also, +% crit rate of Lucky vs damage increase from crits from Aim to Kill?

Sarathai

Exelethril said:

Does anyone happen to have the damage reduction % value of the Enduring Fury trait? Also, +% crit rate of Lucky vs damage increase from crits from Aim to Kill?

I believe the last time it was looked at, Lucky is roughly 1/2 a level 1 crit pendant? I think @Sena has more specific data, so I'll tag her.

Sena

Correct, ~1% crit bonus. Also, tagging people in an edit doesn't work.

Exelethril

Antonius said:

Before I forget again, have some updated (as of whenever I did the testing) disembowel numbers on a target with a maximum health of 6933. Since I got complaints about the formatting last time these have been rounded to two decimal places by Excel first.

STRENGTH	L0 DAMAGE	% OF MAX	% INCREASE	L1 DAMAGE	% OF MAX	% INCREASE	% INCREASE OVER L0	L1 + LAGUA	% OF MAX	% INCREASE	% DIFF WITH LAGUA
10	1934	27.9		3286	47.4		1.7	3616	52.16		10.04
11	2082	30.03	2.13	3538	51.03	3.63	1.7	3892	56.14	3.98	10.01
12	2304	33.23	3.2	3916	56.48	5.45	1.7	4306	62.11	5.97	9.97
13	2452	35.37	2.14	4170	60.15	3.67	1.7	4586	66.15	4.04	9.98
14	2674	38.57	3.2	4546	65.57	5.42	1.7	5002	72.15	6	10.04
15	2824	40.73	2.16	4802	69.26	3.69	1.7	5280	76.16	4.01	9.96
16	3046	43.93	3.2	5178	74.69	5.43	1.7	5696	82.16	6	10
17	3194	46.07	2.14	5430	78.32	3.63	1.7	5972	86.14	3.98	9.98
18	3416	49.27	3.2	5806	83.74	5.42	1.7	6386	92.11	5.97	10
19	3564	51.41	2.14	6062	87.44	3.7	1.7	6668	96.18	4.07	10
20	3786	54.61	3.2	6438	92.86	5.42	1.7	6933	100	3.82	7.69
21	3936	56.77	2.16	6692	96.52	3.66	1.7	6933	100	0	3.61
22	4160	60	3.23	6933	100	3.48	1.67	6933	100	0	0
23	4306	62.11	2.11	6933	100	0	1.61	6933	100	0	0
24	4530	65.34	3.23	6933	100	0	1.53	6933	100	0	0

Just to expand on Antonius' values, dsb damage seems to be dependent on Weaponmastery spec too. DWC's dsb seems to do more damage than any other spec because of dual Lagua runes.

SnB/2H seems to be hard capped around the 92-93% mark.

• SnB vs Algiz with L1 + LAGUA 
  19 STR = ~86%
  20 STR = ~89%
  21 STR = ~91%
  
  
• DWC vs Algiz with L1 + LAGUA
  19 STR = ~93%
  20 STR = ~96%
  21 STR = ~98+% (probs 100)
  22 STR = gg

Nazihk

Couldn't 2h or snb just dual wield dual runeblades of their own for the impale, then? 

Exelethril

Beats me man, haven't tried

Exelethril

Derp, right. You actually can't unless you want to prep 3 limbs as SnB while setting up your finisher without DWC's intimidate. (SnB needs the stun on impale from shield club to dsb)

It's a p strong and unique DWC advantage.

Cailan

IMO there's no reason to be SnB if you're not paladin. Unless you just like smashing people with a shield.

Atalkez

Cailan said:

IMO there's no reason to be SnB if you're not paladin. Unless you just like smashing people with a shield.

Dedication is a serious reason to play SnB, if you 1v1 momentum classes a lot.

Cooper

It's the most reliable way to get a DSB kill as Runewarden, plus offers affliction kills/locks on the path to DSB too.

Exelethril

Cailan said:

IMO there's no reason to be SnB if you're not paladin. Unless you just like smashing people with a shield.

RPing as a discount Captain America Acacia and smashing misguided citydwellers with a shield makes any disadvantage, if any, totally worth it. Nairat runeblade combined with shieldstrike low and focuslocks aren't too shabby either.

Calira

There's plenty of reason to play Runewarden SnB over both Paladin SnB or Runewarden DWC. It's an extremely solid class with plenty of unique advantages

Aerek

Objectively, I hold S&B to be the "best" spec. It has very solid kill setups that are difficult to avoid, is flexible in its approach, and isn't particularly weak against any opponent class. Its only real downsides are mediocre bashing and its long prep time, which you can even avoid with some of the lock-based methods. The other specs have their perks and novelties, and may outshine S&B in specific instances, but S&B's lack of serious drawbacks mean it is always good, never helpless, whatever the situation.

Dunn

I only like SNB for smash high. Makes focuslocks delicious. Limb prep is for squares

Anedhel

You know if you had damnation, you'd be all up in that limb prep. 3-kelp aff head breaks, mmmm. 

Exelethril

Really really jelly of paladins

Nazihk

Aerek said:

Objectively, I hold S&B to be the "best" spec. It has very solid kill setups that are difficult to avoid, is flexible in its approach, and isn't particularly weak against any opponent class. Its only real downsides are mediocre bashing and its long prep time, which you can even avoid with some of the lock-based methods. The other specs have their perks and novelties, and may outshine S&B in specific instances, but S&B's lack of serious drawbacks mean it is always good, never helpless, whatever the situation.

This might be true in 1v1, but I feel like it is decidedly not the case in group fights. I don't feel like it brings anything to a group fight that DWC doesn't already bring, and DWC has far better damage potential.

Lyrin

Aerek said:

Objectively......

Subjectively?

Aerek

Nazihk said:

Aerek said:

Objectively, I hold S&B to be the "best" spec. It has very solid kill setups that are difficult to avoid, is flexible in its approach, and isn't particularly weak against any opponent class. Its only real downsides are mediocre bashing and its long prep time, which you can even avoid with some of the lock-based methods. The other specs have their perks and novelties, and may outshine S&B in specific instances, but S&B's lack of serious drawbacks mean it is always good, never helpless, whatever the situation.

This might be true in 1v1, but I feel like it is decidedly not the case in group fights. I don't feel like it brings anything to a group fight that DWC doesn't already bring, and DWC has far better damage potential.

DWC does more damage and has Lunge, so it has its perks, but S&B is pretty great in groups, too. Its aff potential is on par with DWC, or it can prone on every attack while still contributing paralysis to the team effort; Rend/Smash with broad/tower is massive burst damage if it needs it, Smash High works wonders with a locking partner, can shieldstrike prone while off-balance for allies' finishers, and is the only spec that can consistently Disembowel in a group setting. I agree that other styles are flashier or easier options in groups, but S&B doesn't really suffer in a group fight if it has its act together.

Lyrin said:

Aerek said:

Objectively......

Subjectively?

No, with all combat situations and opponent match-ups considered, and my personal preferences set aside. Subjectively, I don't like S&B because I don't like the prep time and think it lacks a certain flair. I'm a DWC purist, when I'm not goofing around as DWB.

Dunn

Lunge, double runeblades, little bit tighter venom control... DWC is my go to for groups. SNB has a couple of nice tools, though. The tertiary bal prone is probably the biggest, but that is pretty moot if you have a dragon or decent blademaster. 

Anedhel

Limb prep speed gives significant advantage to paladin in groups. I have no idea why no one else seemed to shoot for damnation in groups that I noticed, it's so good

Lunge is

Antonius

Anedhel said:

Limb prep speed gives significant advantage to paladin in groups. I have no idea why no one else seemed to shoot for damnation in groups that I noticed, it's so good

Lunge is

I've damned people occasionally in groups, but it depends a lot on the group composition (and also relies on me actually being dual cutting for Paladin at the time). I tend to favour Runewarden over Paladin for group fights nowadays, so I can cover propping and smudging myself rather than hoping somebody else does it properly.