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Regardless, the suggestion of limiting how many duels you can have per day and/or how many duels individuals can have in total throughout the war would've been the ideal solution, imo.
I believe the original terms are a good effort on trying to make a fun war. The main problem is that neither side wants to lose. If we can only raid when Farrah/Atalkez are on, then that means we can't raid for most of the day and the aussie/europe team gets largely left out, when before this war we could get skirmishes and raids going. I'm not blaming anyone here, both sides are doing this, with leaders around (even if not their best).
Honestly, the best way to get a fun war is probably to leave as little consequences as possible, and a limited duration. I wouldn't mind posting a defeat, or letting some Targs come in to preach and debate. I love debating. But when our respective Gods place a mysterious bet? Yeah, ofcourse everyone wants to win at all costs.
Why not have a minimum of one war duel a month, everyone getting to try once (or twice)? Idk how to fix the raiding, there's really nothing you can do about that because it was deliberately made to only happen when both sides want to fight. Maybe more set battles at different times would have been a better option. Different times and places.
I also really like the naval battles. I'm super excited about that, so yay for adding it in!
The only thing I dislike is the added terms and how they can be used. Pushing those onto the other team and then making more demands in return for losing them, then sounding like it's our fault for refusing that is pretty poor form.
I'm not sure if we're playing the same game, or not. When we've come into Mhaldor (as in, when I'm around and try to raid) since this war started, your main leaders are content to sit back, let font stack and do anything they can do to dodge the sanction. Run into sewers, or out of city, to ships. All sorts of stuff.
In comparison, you haven't raided us but once with our main leaders on, and when you did we gave up the sanction (you just didn't have a tank to try). We didn't run and hide from your raid.
I'm not opposed to lesser defenders dodging a sanction, at all. I AM very opposed to your main leaders playing that way, while also bemoaning our lesser leaders for doing the same thing.
We wanted to remove the 'chase outside' rule, in exchange for 1 tank per sanction, which is extremely fair. It was shot down because (in essence, you can't really deny it....) Mhaldor wants to continue raiding our non-leaders but hiding from our leaders when we're around. That's not exactly a great way to win a war, imo. Proficy basically said as much in our discussion.
When we started fighting last night, you had more than enough people to defend. I've been raiding a long, long time and I'm not one to go around killing people just for the sake of it. I'm not a fan of leading 10 people into a city against 3, and that is not at all true of what happened last night. Immediately after we stopped raiding, you had 8+ people at Stygian to induct Rom/Iakimen. You abandoned the city/fight, with your main leaders around, and then when the danger passed all of a sudden everyone was around again. That's not 'we only had 3 defenders', in the slightest.
@Alrena the 'chase after' rule was entirely added -because- of Mhaldor. That wasn't a request we made, it was after listening to Nyderr/Aegoth complain on Mhaldor behalf about the situation, that we agreed to clarify. The original intent was to stop it completely, but that was the compromise. Clarification. So yes, it IS Mhaldors fault that the rule is in place at all, and it also is true that we offered to remove the rule completely and outlaw it in exchange for something else.
Penwize has cowardly forfeited the challenge to mortal combat issued by Atalkez.
I tried to find a way to do this or with Crusades but at least from my perspective it would be hard for me to track. Also orders are exclusive a lot more so lately than before and I know at least in Mhaldor we have trouble even finding people to let us defile or raise shrines. However, there is nothing against doing any of this or RPing this as part of the war for you, we left this as part of the war but not a factor in victory points.
My response to Reyson / Alrena was
"My partner isn't around."
Which he wasn't. They haven't asked since. (Though Alrena did ask for a 1v1 and I just laughed at her).
And oh boy did I have to fucking push hard for that Avianca duel
Like I said, there's also a difference between 'this is a person that can come to a ceremony' and 'this is a person in any kind of condition to be raiding.' People on their phones, at work, with a fever (rip hararu), or doing homework due in 2 hours aren't gonna defend, nor am I going to even remotely force them to.
Regardless, earlier yesterday we fought you like an hour or two, and idk if you weren't there or you forgot entirely or what. We wiped your group 3-4 times, and I'm literally looking at the city log of it. This probably contributed, tbh, since I'd not be surprised if people qq'd at being raided the second time within a few hours.
"Bro we can't defend against that, Aegoth's on his phone, there's only three of us...what do you expect?"
"Lol, Targ can't defend if Farrah or Atalkez isn't around? You just gonna abandon your city because there's more of us? Wow #badRP"
Not saying you say that but...you get the idea
On the other hand, the war is very well managed I should say. Despite some yells of 'unfair' which is part of all conflict, I think this war is very professionally carried out, and my salutations to both parties, as well as the proctors.
It is important to enjoy the game, and there's always alternative. We have to lose good players.
Would it be helpful to have to set times and dates for official sanctioned raids?
But after the war's over wouldn't be a bad idea to just do a pros and cons list and brainstorm how we can make the next war better than this one. Goal should be to make it as fun as humanly possible with as little grief as possible, and (going back to something @Alrena said), with long-lasting effects that don't outright encourage unfair gameplay. Some RP-centric things that give both sides something to play out after the war is over. Winning is fun and all, but never hurts to make the losing RP fun as well.
No, I don't. That's also why I don't login while I'm at work if I can help it. I don't want to give the perception that Targossas has more strength around than it really does. So when we're looking around at who would defend, and see him online, we're going to assume. We can't know he's on his phone until after the fact.
You did oust us, but you didn't exactly engage us either. You had superior numbers in the morning when I tried to raid (I was off work for the day), and all we got was radiance/blackout/disrupt/displace spammed. We moved rooms after embarrassingly losing several younger ones, you waited nearly 30 minutes to do anything which by that time you had more people show up and our original plan was ruined by being outside because you had cata. Later in the evening, you ran 8-9 people (including Prof/Nyderr) to Moghedu for like 10 minutes. We jumped you in Moghedu, because you had left the city and stood there for a while. Then everyone scattered, with only a handful of people looping between city/defendable/sewers depending on what we were doing. That's all well and good to use, if you're at a disadvantage. You weren't, at all, but you chose to play it extremely defensively (to great effect, obviously, we didn't get the sanction ever all day) more often than not. I get it, though. Everything that's been said about not wanting to give up points, etc, etc. I'm not really faulting you for playing that way, but I am saying it's kind of annoying to fight against. We get complaints about Targ not defending when me/Farrah aren't here, but Mhaldor isn't really engaging even when your whole crew is here. There is a difference.
You have a massive advantage just in the city layouts alone, alongside all the LoS hinder that you can generate, that we simply can't match. Mhaldor has a distinct advantage in ability to generate a sanction against those unwilling to fight.
I'd like to see more engagements, at the end of the day, and that includes duels too. Has there even been a 2v2 or a 3v3 yet? I don't think there has.
Penwize has cowardly forfeited the challenge to mortal combat issued by Atalkez.
@Nyderrasethi Did not realize that was what you mean and I may approach you about that, thank you.
I'm seriously not trying to start a fight I just wanted to get my frustrations out and try and get some help on what to do.
There's more stuff I disagree with, but it's really not gonna get us anywhere by arguing over perceived advantages here and there.
If you want straight up brawls (which I don't, personally, I hate fights bigger than like 4/5 on each team, but I know I'm a minority), then next time we should have rules that encourage brawls. Maybe not even in the cities at all, just like fight at nont.
Stop offering only Proficy/Aegoth as duel partners and you'll find that some of our other duelists will manifest themselves.
Us getting called out on a policy that doesn't exist is pretty hilarious.
Of course, this is entirely subjective. What one person considers a 'reasonable duel' will never match another person's view. My opinion is that Alrena's plan of limiting how many duels one person can do during the war is ideal.