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Life essence is required for so many of our combat skills where most of the combat skills in groves use Imbued sunlight which can restored at any time and not effected by vivify.
Having a necromancer waste all their life essence on exterminating is so much more impactful than having a grove user waste their sunlight.
Even with all that, I love the roleplay potential and that Eleusis can strike back now! More conflict = More combat! +1 to everyone who worked on such!
So you can't just outrift 100 ginseng and replant 100 rooms with it.
I would guess it takes more like 1-2 hours per forest to rejuvenate and replant when there are a bunch of people, 2-3 hours when there are only a few. (Not including the fighting, of course.)
The major detriments of using more than half your stored sunlight on a single vivify is that you have to choose between vivifying and keeping up important defenses such as wildgrowth, panacea, and vigour.
Additionally the forests will regenerate plants on their own after a long period of time. I want to say somewhere in the range of 7-12 Achaean months, but I'm not sure the exact amount of time.
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Rejuv doesn't need sunlight to work. Though, maybe it should be changed to require it.
Edit: From our testing it looks like a necromancer with 100% essence can only do 8 rooms before they have 0. Seems way to easy for either side to just sit back and chill and nothing too bad will happen. Also, the costs may increase to the point that you won't be able to store enough sunlight in your staff to vivify but you can still fill that staff and continue using your combat abilities.
We go exterminate, Eleusis can sit still and not fight until we're crippled and then go spend 1k gold and 5 minutes undoing our work while we spend hours getting our life essence back. I suppose its the same way around with vivify, but I just don't like seeing either side being able to actively avoid the conflict with little cost.
Edit: And yeah, replanting is a pain but when you'll be unlikely to see more than 10 rooms exterminated in a trip you can let the forest spread to those rooms no problem without losing a crap ton of herbs.
1) In forests, grove users get the ability to use grove summon/flow to make use of defending the forests from said exterminations. What can you bring to the necromancers to allow them an equal footing in such matters? #fogsummon @Makarios looking at you #foggroves
2) As Necromancers have 100% essence but grove users can constantly re-imbue their staff with light (A resource that regenerates much faster than essence) I see an imbalance in the costs for each side. What can you do to offset this balance?
3) Infamy is a factor when doing exterminations, it does -not- however seem to be a factor with vivification. I think this could be re-worked to either make infamy more balanced on both sides of the coin. Allows us to punish the perpetrators of these actions.
4) #FogDefenses enemies of the fog shall be attack after vivification for same as forest defenses attack for. I'm guessing you can just do enemies of Sartan's order or Mhaldor or something to this effect, please don't make a Mhaldorian Oakstone, nobody wants that shit (Or High Warden for that matter).
Might have more as ideas come to me!!
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I'm still sitting on all my ice because it was so expensive to mine and selling them even at 110 would still be a loss. Instead I just very slowly use them for waterwalking enchantments... one pair of boots at a time...
Another question @Makarios and @Nicola. Can the rooms in our city be vivified? We can't exterminate most of Eleusis as they aren't forests but our entire city is foggy.
also all of you have ice, it's not expensive, and all of you have gold for it. It's not a rare commodity.
I would like to see some sort of balance between exterm and vivify
-I get that Eleusis has annoying spam when I exterm
-but has forest defs (which made an improvement today)
-has summon
@Nicola my original presentation was that the Apostate could summon from fogged rooms. What do you think about this? Maybe some sort of ability like grove summon but only limited to the fogged rooms?
Mhaldor cannot be vivified, just the Isle.
I'll look at infamy for vivify, it should be incrementing.
Ideally sunlight scaling and essence scaling should make it work out about the same - we might still need to tweak the numbers on this a little, but I think its pretty close. We did account for the ease of regaining each particular resource.
Giving necromancers the ability to regenerate essence akin to EVOKE would be a terrible idea though, since that removes the artificial cap on rooms exterminatable. Mhaldor Isle has a lot less rooms relative to forest rooms, while the number of players are somewhat equivalent.
Alternatively, disallow necromancers from exterminating if they're below 50% essence but lessen the cost of exterminate so they can still exterminate 8 rooms with 50% of the current essence cost. This way, they won't accidentally run out of essence while going on an extermination run and still fight. (For perspective, 5 necromancers can still burn 40 rooms while being combat-able)
Edit : Also, was the term vivify chosen sheerly for the irony of it?
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Restoring forest = one class skill, one comm and people invested in a tradeskill
Restoring isle = one class skill