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Of course, getting the ability returning like Sentinels (which returns to equipped, which means right to juggling, which is obviously a problem) won't happen, but maybe like......
Have jesters get ropes, tie them to the handles of daggers/axes, and let them YANK STRINGS or something to pull them all back at once. Make it so that if another person tried to pick them up, it makes a Hester autoyank without balance penalty, but if it's still on the ground with a yank, maybe give it a small balance penalty (or none at all?)
I should've added that to my classlead. Dammit.
And please, don't ask to Nerf veils anymore. Get a veil and you are level playing Field.
And imo, all artefacts are balanced and fair, need not be equal. Everyone has access to them even without putting in real dollar. Opportunities are abound in game, ppl just don't want Artefacts hard enough. That aside, I have seen skills that kills Artefolks like Arties never existed.
If you are stuck, change course.
And most people can't just 'get a veil'. That's a six-month endeavour for the most avid bashers, assuming they spent nothing elsewhere. Which is unlikely, especially if they have other artefact priorities (which they should).
in the game. They shouldn't have been put in and I'll fully endorse any move to remove them.
Still think they're stupid.
I don't think people are stupid for disliking them. I support your right to think they should be removed. Will still censure and vote down any classlead to remove them.
Artifacts should be powerful. Some should be infuriating. If i want to spend 2k credits on being able to hide from you, or jump you, I should. And you should have to invest the same to nullify that advantage.
The games model is based around credit purchases. Big ticket items like this are good for the game, even if they're bad for you personally or irritate the fuck out of you.
/doesn't own one
And you won't understand the cause of your grief...
...But you'll always follow the voices beneath.
I'm A-Okay with that sticking around so long as constant veil isn't. If you want to hide/be sneaky, invest in a couple of those shrouds and put them in a non-decay bag.
*I used to think veils should be removed too. Then I decided and hunted like mad and got a veil for myself. Now I think they are fine.
Penwize has cowardly forfeited the challenge to mortal combat issued by Atalkez.
Is there a market for this thing? Yes. Will people pay for it? Yes. Then there is an economical reason to have them exist.
Artifacts are meant to be strong. They are meant to change things and meant to give advantages over people who don't have them. Being able to hide from you is an advantage. If you don't like me being able to jump you, buy one. Besides, the only reason you want to be able to find people is to kill them. An artifact stopping you from doing that is entirely valid.
That's my opinion and it's not going to change.
I still don't own a veil. But I will.
Except that's not how a market works. You can get 10 people to buy X for $2,000 because they view that as a good investment/price, congratulations you made $20,000. Everyone else turns away, because they're priced out of it. You don't get rich off of this.
If you can get 3,000 people to buy Y for $50, because they view this as a good investment/price, you make $150,000. Now anyone can afford it, and it's not such a burden to do so. Congratulations you increased your base of operation and increased sales/profits at the same time.
Edit: Also, it's worth considering the fact that several of the people who did purchase veil, only did so to counteract veil to begin with. I know I did, and I can name at least 10 people right now who did the same thing. That's $5,000 that I can name off the top of my head right now that wouldn't have purchased this item for the hide aspect to begin with if someone else hadn't already spent it. That doesn't mean that money wouldn't go to the game, it just means it would be in the form of other stuff. If I got a 2000 credit refund of my veil today, I'd have them spent within an hour. 45 minutes of which would be me figuring out what to buy, because I have way more than 2000 credits worth of crap I want at some point.
Penwize has cowardly forfeited the challenge to mortal combat issued by Atalkez.
How is that in any way different than investing the time to bash to Dragon so that you don't get damage killed? How is that different than investing the time in learning combat so you can kill people who would otherwise kill you if you engaged them? It's still investing a resource (time/money) into something so that others can't do something to you (hide from/jump)
If someone wants to spend 2k credits in order for the benefit it gives them then they have that right. You equally have that right. You also have the right to put up with it if you choose not to.
And don't be ridiculous by saying veils should be lowered in price so everyone can afford it. It's a premium tier artifact and its bonuses are intended to be extremely powerful, thus the price tag. If the game doesn't have things like this then it's boring as shit. It's like nerfing all the fun overpowered abilities. Game gets old and fast.
You're like "But people buy veils because other people buy veils and so in the end veils are pointless!" Except you're wrong, because there will always be more people who can't afford veils than those who can. And while that might be a bit harsh, oh well. Artifacts are expensive. Deal with it.
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Yes, everyone has the right to spend their credits how they choose. No one is debating that, so not sure what you're even talking about there.
I don't believe veils should be lowered so people can afford it. I believe they should be deleted, alongside gems, because they are bad for the game. It makes no sense to need to buy items just to be able to find someone, and another item just to even know if they're online or not. Our playerbase isn't in the thousands where we don't see the same people every day. We are a small community, in a game that is billed as open world. It's not very open if 8/10 of the 'big names' can't even be seen by anyone who hasn't bought X. It's not an interesting mechanic, and it adds absolutely nothing to the game.
You want abilities, and stuff? Sure, that's called content. Veil is literally have it or don't, and if you don't it's a bitch and a half dealing with someone who has one. Veil isn't a content item, it's a divisional barrier between players for no reason other than the money.
Penwize has cowardly forfeited the challenge to mortal combat issued by Atalkez.
As for people who don't always want to be found and interact, so what? Not everyone is here to socialize every single minute they're in-game. If they want to interact with you, they will find you or go to some spot that is known for high traffic and interaction with other players.
Same could be said for nuclear technological warfare.
Is there a market for this thing? Hell yes. Will people pay for it? Top damn dollar. ...Then there is an economical reason to have them? Well...No.
Point being made is pretty simple. You cant just say that "if people pay for it, then it is good for the economy"! That isnt even how the economy works. You need to approach this from a different angle if you are attempting to defend it, because so far you are coming out flat.
Knowing you're online, or even being able to see what room you're currently AFK in, doesn't equate to interacting with you. Neither does it mean you have to socialize with anyone. I think you're getting 'being able to be seen' and 'being bothered' confused.
Besides that, you're hiding from who exactly? Not the people who bought the same thing you did, because they can find you regardless. So you're hiding from people who probably don't even know who you are? Seems trivial to lose, to me.
Penwize has cowardly forfeited the challenge to mortal combat issued by Atalkez.
Then they came for the Collars and Int Sashes and we did nothing.
Then they came for the Level 3 weapon artifacts and the game was suddenly boring as shit.
Sure, this post is a poor argument. But it's a very slippery slope when you start removing artifacts like this.