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ETA: I wasn't on the council in 680ish, so I don't have any visibility on what conscious efforts were or were not made by the council at that time.
But you're spot on in regards to the problem. Uneven recognition of contributions is a dangerous slope to be on.
Edit: Personal experience being on the body that determined and meted out discipline at the city level, specifically.
Rave for the fact that they added artefact upgrade tokens to the artie cart.
A lot of cities (and Orders!) have gone through that trashy phase where they'll take on just about anyone on the basis that they 'fite gud' because they're tired of getting shit on and it just perpetuates that sort of behaviour.
(also this is raves so rave to @Hashan for being so goddamn awesome recently! I love you guys and we're in a great place, woohoo!)
I agree with Skye, really. I don't think that anyone should get a special pass because they're good at something. In fact, I try very hard whenever it comes time to discipline someone that they not get a special pass because "we can't afford to lose them." If you do something wicked (in the bad way) or nasty or otherwise just not OK, we're going to come down on you like a badly flung Tower card.
That being said, I know some of Targ's people. I think there's a real difference between "I'm appealing this decision because I am of the belief that it's too harsh of a punishment for the crime" and, uh, "waa I PK u shouldn't do this because I'll quit and you'll lose a combatant cry cry". I am firmly biased to believe that it was the first, because we are all humans who all make mistakes. I don't think anyone who's not on their ruling council can say a word about what it was.
Rave to @Targossas for recent combat and whatnot! I'm getting real annoyed with warding rite, but I don't hate the player. I really enjoy that we have some folks to fight and play the game with.
I know I don't like the idea of playing in a city like that, and I'm a good pker. One time, Vicious tried to apply to Mhaldor while Targossian, and I rejected him because he was rude and I was Tyrannus. I forwarded his attempts to Targossas though and they had 0 problem keeping him after he actively attempted (but failed) to betray them for Evil. To me, that looked really bad and is the kind of thing that discourages good pkers from joining.
So, if there ever really was a policy of acting desperate to get pkers, I think you'd be surprised as to how much of the opposite effect it might've had.
Also, it's not so much the combat prowess that makes people give bias, it's how much they are liked, especially by council members. We've had young unknown folk booted and nobody so much as mentioned it. Yet we hesitate ages over someone for the same reason, simply because they're liked. When a well-liked person is punished, their friends start up the shitstorm even after already having being shown far too much leniency before. Often leaders are lenient not out of bias, but out of fear for drama and tantrums. This was definitely the case in Eleusis, and I can imagine it's the same way in other cities to different extents.
Thinking back on it, I'm raving for not being a city leader anymore. I don't regret becoming it, and I don't regret what I've accomplished in Eleusis, but I'm just really happy to enjoy Achaea as a game without responsibilities again, not having to deal with drama. It's honestly incredibly liberating.
@Kasa's neat for trying to balance the engagement. I get how hard it can be to rein in defences, so I appreciate you trying.
@Regi for good fights, after.
The Targs were neat today, I'm a happy camper.
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got gud
I was tired and should've been in bed.
Xinna is the type of player who, if she doesn't like you, just doesn't respond to you. I guess she created animosity towards me when she was an Eleusian raiding Mhaldor? I don't know nor care. But, while in Mhaldor I would ask her combat stuff to which she just never replied, nor even acknowledged that I sent her a tell. Kinda annoying from a fellow active citymate. So, right on.
I tried runie, then went pallie. I missed infernal. And if you've ever been an infernal, the other knight classes just don't cut it. I remember sending you this message after I had come back from a rl month dormancy to see you got Tyrannus. So, instead of having to create a new infernal, as my current char was veiled and artied, I tried to send you a message, to which you replied with some generic bogus elitist overly long explanation of the word NO. I remember as I had re read these before I retired.
So instead of being like, whatever, you send the messages back to someone you thought was a ranking individual over me trying to get me kicked out for traitor rp or some bogusness.
I laughed about that for days. Like how is that not petty as shit? That line alone should show every reader of your post just what kind of player you are. Anyways, Targossas has the best playerbase in the game hands down. They knew ooc, as I actually created friendships with people while I was there, that I was kicked out of Mhaldor for some bogus Ruth stuff and knew that I would rather play infernal. They didn't judge so much as Mhaldor's playerbase did. I'm sure you can agree or at least attest to this with your new character being the Judicator.
Now what do you mean by, discourages good pkers from joining?
Me trying to join a city for a class I enjoyed playing more than the others deters good pkers from joining the same city?
The learning curve of this game shows that it takes sometimes rl years to become a 'good' combatant, so the people who primarily enjoy combat are already choosing which factions they want to play, how would I joining Mhaldor deter that from anyone?
Also note, Targ wasn't ever desperate to get pk'ers that I saw, they were cordial and made me work for entry like normal. The rp they did was awesome, the rp Rangor did unenemying to forest was awesome. It really showed me that Achaea is actually a lot more than a bunch of toxic people trying to outrank each other. Targ hunters consistently supplied me with gold and corpses for defiling. Harvesters consistently stocked me with curatives. If Infernal class restrictions were raised I'd go right to Targossas as I enjoyed a lot of those people. I was only trying to get back to Mhaldor so I can play an infernal, pretty much the only class I enjoy, and the reason why I retired that char. Mhaldor sucked then but right now there are some really cool people playing and it's bearable. But, no I was never trying to BETRAY good for evil, I don't care about the rp like that, I just want to vivisect.
tldr; bunch of judge judy ass crap about me defending myself from the sludge these people puke up for no reason
Edit: Nothing to do with defending yourself and everything to do with forum rules.
That love soon might end You are unbreaking
And be known in its aching Though quaking
Shown in this shaking Though crazy
Lately of my wasteland, baby That's just wasteland, baby
noticed this trend here
they can say whatever they want
but if I defend myself
I'm wrong.
Cool.
(Fk 6 chars ok)
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