Achaean Raves

Vayne

I'm surprised they let you customise an artefact bow into a crossbow. They would not let me make Spectacles of White Sight into Pince-nez.

Kresslack

I actually had to change the name of the shield, which I found odd since the default is Shield of Absorption, so went with 'a tenebrous shield of crystal' instead.

Trey

Kresslack said:

I actually had to change the name of the shield, which I found odd since the default is Shield of Absorption, so went with 'a tenebrous shield of crystal' instead.

But the bow? If they're allowing that now I may actually get one, but they've denied it at least twice before (violates customisation guidelines).

Kresslack

Trey said:

Kresslack said:

I actually had to change the name of the shield, which I found odd since the default is Shield of Absorption, so went with 'a tenebrous shield of crystal' instead.

But the bow? If they're allowing that now I may actually get one, but they've denied it at least twice before (violates customisation guidelines).

I'm not sure why a crossbow customisation request wouldn't be allowed, unless there were certain things about it they didn't approve (maybe trying to have it be a named weapon like the Epicurus Bow or something). I made sure to make it Achaean relevant, and they -do- sell crossbows in archery shops so I never considered it would be an issue.

Edit: I'm not sure what other people have as a process for designing and sending in customisation requests, but for any interested it helps to understand what you're making and the different parts of it. For instance, with this crossbow, I looked up a medieval schematic that broke down the parts of the crossbow and implemented what I felt made sense and described it better (i.e. using 'lath' instead of 'bow' for the arms).

Tharvis

Kresslack said:

Trey said:

Kresslack said:

I actually had to change the name of the shield, which I found odd since the default is Shield of Absorption, so went with 'a tenebrous shield of crystal' instead.

But the bow? If they're allowing that now I may actually get one, but they've denied it at least twice before (violates customisation guidelines).

I'm not sure why a crossbow customisation request wouldn't be allowed, unless there were certain things about it they didn't approve (maybe trying to have it be a named weapon like the Epicurus Bow or something). I made sure to make it Achaean relevant, and they -do- sell crossbows in archery shops so I never considered it would be an issue.

Edit: I'm not sure what other people have as a process for designing and sending in customisation requests, but for any interested it helps to understand what you're making and the different parts of it. For instance, with this crossbow, I looked up a medieval schematic that broke down the parts of the crossbow and implemented what I felt made sense and described it better (i.e. using 'lath' instead of 'bow' for the arms).

I think @Trey means this : - Descriptions may not change the basic nature of the thing.

                 (so a sword must remain a sword, and not an epee, e.g.)

Trey

Kresslack said:

Trey said:

Kresslack said:

I actually had to change the name of the shield, which I found odd since the default is Shield of Absorption, so went with 'a tenebrous shield of crystal' instead.

But the bow? If they're allowing that now I may actually get one, but they've denied it at least twice before (violates customisation guidelines).

I'm not sure why a crossbow customisation request wouldn't be allowed, unless there were certain things about it they didn't approve (maybe trying to have it be a named weapon like the Epicurus Bow or something). I made sure to make it Achaean relevant, and they -do- sell crossbows in archery shops so I never considered it would be an issue.

Items can always get less complicated,  but not more. A longsword can become a sword,  but plate can't become breastplate,  for an example. 

Kresslack

Tharvis said:

Kresslack said:

Trey said:

Kresslack said:

I actually had to change the name of the shield, which I found odd since the default is Shield of Absorption, so went with 'a tenebrous shield of crystal' instead.

But the bow? If they're allowing that now I may actually get one, but they've denied it at least twice before (violates customisation guidelines).

I'm not sure why a crossbow customisation request wouldn't be allowed, unless there were certain things about it they didn't approve (maybe trying to have it be a named weapon like the Epicurus Bow or something). I made sure to make it Achaean relevant, and they -do- sell crossbows in archery shops so I never considered it would be an issue.

Edit: I'm not sure what other people have as a process for designing and sending in customisation requests, but for any interested it helps to understand what you're making and the different parts of it. For instance, with this crossbow, I looked up a medieval schematic that broke down the parts of the crossbow and implemented what I felt made sense and described it better (i.e. using 'lath' instead of 'bow' for the arms).

I think @Trey means this : - Descriptions may not change the basic nature of the thing.

                 (so a sword must remain a sword, and not an epee, e.g.)

I think that might be a bit of a grey area and it may just depend on who reviews the request. Crossbows and bows are pretty comparable, not just that they are both projectile weapons. A sling(shot) is also a projectile weapon, but it wouldn't make sense to customise a bow into a slingshot. Crossbows and bows are both archery weapons though, so for me it makes sense (and after reading this I'm really glad it go approved, for whatever reason).

Edit: On the archery scale, crossbow seems to be the less complicated (for whatever reason) version of the bow, as using crossbows is a skill obtainable prior to darkbows. I'm really not sure, but if you want a crossbow apparently now is the time to put in for it.

Daslin

iirc, crossbows do more dmg than bows do. I think that's why they denied 99% of people from getting them (You're literally the -only- person I've heard of getting bow turned into crossbow now)

Kresslack

Daslin said:

iirc, crossbows do more dmg than bows do. I think that's why they denied 99% of people from getting them (You're literally the -only- person I've heard of getting bow turned into crossbow now)

Crossbows did slightly more damage than bows, but had a slightly longer balance, if I'm not mistaken. Even then, I would always use a crossbow instead, simply because I liked the idea of lugging around and using one more than I did that of a bow. The customisation request, however, in no way alters the aspects of the weapon itself, other than the description. I really have no idea why I'm apparently the only one to get this, and never thought it would be an issue, hence my request submission. I guess someone could issue themselves if they want specifics. Either way, I like it a lot.

Vayne

IG crossbows have different mechanics and, if IIRC, their own projectiles(bolts) apart from standard bows.

Kresslack

Vayne said:

IG crossbows have different mechanics and, if IIRC, their own projectiles(bolts) apart from standard bows.

Bolts I've only seen in Genji, iirc, but you can use crossbows with quivers and arrows just like you would a normal bow.

Eld

Kresslack said:

Tharvis said:

Kresslack said:

Trey said:

Kresslack said:

I actually had to change the name of the shield, which I found odd since the default is Shield of Absorption, so went with 'a tenebrous shield of crystal' instead.

But the bow? If they're allowing that now I may actually get one, but they've denied it at least twice before (violates customisation guidelines).

I'm not sure why a crossbow customisation request wouldn't be allowed, unless there were certain things about it they didn't approve (maybe trying to have it be a named weapon like the Epicurus Bow or something). I made sure to make it Achaean relevant, and they -do- sell crossbows in archery shops so I never considered it would be an issue.

Edit: I'm not sure what other people have as a process for designing and sending in customisation requests, but for any interested it helps to understand what you're making and the different parts of it. For instance, with this crossbow, I looked up a medieval schematic that broke down the parts of the crossbow and implemented what I felt made sense and described it better (i.e. using 'lath' instead of 'bow' for the arms).

I think @Trey means this : - Descriptions may not change the basic nature of the thing.

                 (so a sword must remain a sword, and not an epee, e.g.)

I think that might be a bit of a grey area and it may just depend on who reviews the request. Crossbows and bows are pretty comparable, not just that they are both projectile weapons. A sling(shot) is also a projectile weapon, but it wouldn't make sense to customise a bow into a slingshot. Crossbows and bows are both archery weapons though, so for me it makes sense (and after reading this I'm really glad it go approved, for whatever reason).

Edit: On the archery scale, crossbow seems to be the less complicated (for whatever reason) version of the bow, as using crossbows is a skill obtainable prior to darkbows. I'm really not sure, but if you want a crossbow apparently now is the time to put in for it.

"Simple" or "complicated" is in reference to the word itself, not the item. You can customise a darkbow into a bow, but not vice versa; no reason the same rule wouldn't apply to crossbows.

You have a considerable amount of freedom in customising the description of an 
item, but one thing is required. Whatever its base word is, it must remain the 
same, and it must appear in both the short_desc and the long_desc. A "rose" 
must remain a "rose", not a "daisy" or a "saddle" or even a "primrose". A 
"falcon" must remain a "falcon", not a "warhawk" or a "gyrfalcon". A "darkbow" 
must remain a "darkbow", not a "crossbow". The base word is generally whatever 
it appears as in INFO INV while you are holding it, or INFO HERE while it is on
the ground.
There is one exception, and that is if you are making the base word MORE simple
while retaining the nature of the item, not more complicated. For example, you 
CAN customise a "darkbow" as a "bow," but you cannot customise a "bow" (that is
not a darkbow) as a "darkbow." Similarly, you could customise a "shortsword" as
a "sword" but not as a "longsword" or "scimitar".

Shara

Tharvis said:

You pet a miniature snowy owl ingratiatingly.

A miniature snowy owl regards you solemnly, large eyes full of trust.

d'awwwwww (sorry @Shara, IT IS MINE)

Vasriia bought me one! HA.
thoughtyouweremybestestmentor!

@ryldagh is back in the #1 spot.
shhyouwerealways#1bb.don'thousedisfavourme.

Daslin

Kresslack said:

Daslin said:

iirc, crossbows do more dmg than bows do. I think that's why they denied 99% of people from getting them (You're literally the -only- person I've heard of getting bow turned into crossbow now)

Crossbows did slightly more damage than bows, but had a slightly longer balance, if I'm not mistaken. Even then, I would always use a crossbow instead, simply because I liked the idea of lugging around and using one more than I did that of a bow. The customisation request, however, in no way alters the aspects of the weapon itself, other than the description. I really have no idea why I'm apparently the only one to get this, and never thought it would be an issue, hence my request submission. I guess someone could issue themselves if they want specifics. Either way, I like it a lot.

Oh, I know the custom doesn't do anything to the abilities, it was just that people used to assume crossbow=more ouch. So, I can easily see why they'd not allow it because it'd causes the assumption. I'm not saying it's wrong, just amused that you got it, while other people were told no left and right for years.

Kresslack

Daslin said:

Kresslack said:

Daslin said:

iirc, crossbows do more dmg than bows do. I think that's why they denied 99% of people from getting them (You're literally the -only- person I've heard of getting bow turned into crossbow now)

Crossbows did slightly more damage than bows, but had a slightly longer balance, if I'm not mistaken. Even then, I would always use a crossbow instead, simply because I liked the idea of lugging around and using one more than I did that of a bow. The customisation request, however, in no way alters the aspects of the weapon itself, other than the description. I really have no idea why I'm apparently the only one to get this, and never thought it would be an issue, hence my request submission. I guess someone could issue themselves if they want specifics. Either way, I like it a lot.

Oh, I know the custom doesn't do anything to the abilities, it was just that people used to assume crossbow=more ouch. So, I can easily see why they'd not allow it because it'd causes the assumption. I'm not saying it's wrong, just amused that you got it, while other people were told no left and right for years.

No idea, but I don't hate it.

Sena

Eld said:

"Simple" or "complicated" is in reference to the word itself, not the item. You can customise a darkbow into a bow, but not vice versa; no reason the same rule wouldn't apply to crossbows.

Yeah, even customising an artefact bow into a longbow has been denied, a crossbow definitely wouldn't be allowed normally.

Although in the past they have been occasionally willing to change the base item type of an artefact for 500+ credits.

Shirszae

All this talk about Crossbows made me one to go and get one. Except...wait, where do they actually sell crossbows? I know I've seen them, but can't remember where for the life of me

Kresslack

Shirszae said:

All this talk about Crossbows made me one to go and get one. Except...wait, where do they actually sell crossbows? I know I've seen them, but can't remember where for the life of me

Any archery shop in a city should offer them.

Caoimhaen

Big raves for @Aodfionn and @Dairune for putting up with my crap all the time. I swear your patience seems endless at times. 

Dalran

Rave @Melodie‌ for making me actually feel comfortable to RP at when I sound stupid

Ruth

Submitted my customisation for a recently bought silver whistle. Excited to see if I do get the customisation messages I want!

Lauria

finally found for forums to post nice things about people in! Hopefully... Anyways, raves for:
@Nessy for the cute lil' owl I want to name Hedwig, and the tastiest text cookies EVER!
and @Jei for being just an awesome true newb who's been a super good buddy! (even if rams do charge in and headbutt you every time we try to talk) I'd go on, and talk about more people but think then I'd need to write an essay and no one needs textual diarrhea

Xith

Bade said:

I just want to say thanks to all those in Hashan willing to answer my probably idiotic questions about combat, I was really frustrated at first but the support I getting is really helping, especially you @ Balkin Its going to be a long road but I feel that I will get there eventually.

Rave for @Bade because you remind me of the Bade. 

Melodie

Dalran said:

Rave @Melodie‌ for making me actually feel comfortable to RP at when I sound stupid

You don't sound stupid at all, you just know how to bite off more than you can chew. Which isn't a bad thing, either.

Looking forward to more debates and discussions!

Edit: Also, a small rave towards @Micositu, who actually suddenly started adding in his own thoughts during the discussion. It is always a pleasant surprise to see people I mostly regard as fighters actually be able (and willing!) to discuss concepts well and debate a bit on their own. Please, keep surprising me, I like being wrong in this instance!

Kresslack

Lauria said:

finally found for forums to post nice things about people in! Hopefully...

Get out while you still can.

Morsul

Whee, raiding/defending. First combat anything.

Tibitha

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Texel

Tibitha said:

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Well said.

Halos

In an elegant if foolhardy display, you throw caution to the wind and leap off the side of the cliff.

At the base of the cliff.
The stars twinkle in the clear night sky.  The Blue Dragon Czanthria's imposing form looms.
You see a single exit leading south.

The snow-covered ground rushes up to meet you and your vision goes black. reaching out to break your fall, you ensure that your arms are the first thing to shatter, followed swiftly by your skull.
Your head is greatly damaged from the beating.
The massive trauma to your head has damaged your skull and brain considerably.
Your right arm is greatly damaged from the beating.
Your left arm is greatly damaged from the beating.

Ahaha, points for realism.

Addama

I just feel bad for novices who attempt the quest without mending/restoration.