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Also, experimentation has to be done with consent by the other party. No attacking the tree!
- With sharp, crackling tones, Kyrra tells you, "The ladies must love you immensely."
- (Eleusian Ranger Techs): Savira says, "Most of the hard stuff seem to have this built in code like: If adventurer_hitting_me = "Sarathai" then send("terminate and selfdestruct")."
- Makarios says, "Serve well and perish."
- Xaden says, "Xaden confirmed scrub 2017."
But making formerly non-factional classes suddenly factional entail a great many difficulties. At the least it'd require lesson refunds for those who don't go along with it (since they were never told their class could be taken from them, unlike Devotion). New classes make more sense, but I think the devs have far more important things to work on.
But seriously, while I would love to see each city have factional classes, it's for the best as things are. We don't have special toys, but in return we're not beholden to Divines like the factional cities.
And Twilight presumably rules Hashan with a shadowy fist of manipulation and intrigue, or something.
so yeah, lorewarden class with wordforging, lorecraft, and respect skills please, would totes multiclass into it. respect is lost if you act disrespectful yourself, limiting the effects of your wordforging and lorecraft substantially, perhaps only to clans you have a ton of power in, maybe a shady backstory edit at best.
Leave my name out of this Vion shit. I am really trying not to play forums, but when you feel the need to bring my name up in the middle of this, not too subtly implying that I have something in common with this guy, it really fucking pisses me off.
Don't be so ready to jump to conclusions.
@Jules: Alternative interpretation, subject to Herenicus's correction: There is a great temptation in putting down Vion's caustic reactions, but considering that he has an outstanding shoot-to-kill-if-he-crosses-the-line order from moderators, caused by your and his previous forum altercations, he has decided to stand down and probably let others do it.
Disclaimer: I am wholly ignorant of any existing forum "bad blood" between the two of you, so please take that into consideration if my reply might elicit negative emotions towards my infinite being.
Pacification: Be that as it may, giving in to the temptation to respond in kind will only exponentially increase the chances of reigniting the conflict between the two of you.
Entreaty: Just let it slide, human. The 'crazy thought-police paranoid' just got itself locked in the oubliette of the "Red Banned Society", so we can all relax and continue a civil discussion.
It'd have a unique (in today's Achaea) impact on the gameworld, in that cities would then (eventually) be reliant on Hashan or Cyrene for totem work, which both lessens the PK burden on the people who choose not to join combat-centric cities, and forces people in the other four cities to consider the actual ramifications of their actions if they're bored and want to start shit with everybody.
I'm all for it.
I mean, what would be the grounds for cutting off someone's Runelore or Harmonics? "Sorry, you're not RPing a neutral bureaucrat hard enough. Please sign the dotted line and a representative will serve you your class severance papers in 6 - 8 business weeks".
re:Factionalizing totem work, I'm wary of locking Cyrene and Hashan into their current status of "Not the Big Four." Who knows what the future could bring?
The transition from the old gods to the new was not OOC. It was entirely IC - hell, they're not even really new gods, they're even older gods. People are complaining that they're defining Good now? They're the ones who wrote the original Holy Codex! The change might have been prompted by some OOC considerations, but no part of it breached the IC/OOC barrier. They didn't just say "the old gods weren't working, so we retconned it", the storyline of the game lead us to where we are now.
The thing that is stifling to roleplay is insisting that the world must remain static and any attempt to "regulate or define" is stifling to roleplay. That could not be more wrong. Restrictions are what allow for meaningful roleplay. If you could be an evil paladin, that would be more "open ended", but it would destroy any semblance of immersion or continuity to the world. Roleplaying is not just about doing whatever you want, it's about inventing a character and doing things that a person would do given the world they are in. To some degree, you want the world to be open-ended, but it's only interesting if the world and the player organisations impose bounds on that freedom. Otherwise it's not a world with people living in it, it's just a bunch of individuals doing whatever in the same general vicinity. It's not roleplaying (well, it's maybe playing a role, but that's not the same as the sort we're talking about with roleplaying games), it's playing with text action figures.
If you are serious about roleplaying in a world that is largely open-ended, this whole series of events presents no problems for your playstyle. If anything, it should be exciting. If you are serious about playing a naturalistic character, the new Good is something your character is going to have a reaction to - how do they feel about being stripped of Devotion? How do they feel about Targossas? Staying true to their character means maybe being conflicted about the changes. It means struggling to figure out what to do next in a dynamic world where things don't always happen the way you they will.
It does not mean that when a series of IC events leads to a perfectly plausible situation, you get angry because the world isn't completely static. It should not mean being unhappy that there were OOC considerations behind events even when those events are totally plausible IC too. It should not mean that things that make your character unhappy or force them to react to a changing world are undesirable.
If you are dedicated to roleplaying, what matters is that the events were plausible and the world remains immersive and that you now get to figure out how your character reacts to it.
@Aminah: I don't understand why you (and, especially, others) have kept insisting that it isn't made clear anywhere that the new Good text overrides the old. The entire Good faction of the game understands this. The old Good gods are literally dead. The new Good gods have made it clear that their stuff supercedes the old at every possible juncture. This is rammed down the throats of anyone who so much as looks at Targossas. It's the first thing drilled into every novice's head, both by the elder players and by the actual, built-in, mechanical tasks for the city. It's the first point in just about every single player-written book on Good in Targossas's library. There were several news posts about it when the change happened, and it gets reiterated in Public news posts all the time. You seem to be unhappy that they haven't made it clearer, but I'm honestly not sure how they could possibly have made it clearer without actually retconning all the old stuff out, which is completely antithetical to the central concept of the game.
I understand that you are new and you are frustrated that you didn't happen to run into any of these things. That's totally reasonable. But to continue to insist that no one could possibly have known when people keep explaining that most people could have known very easily seems sort of silly.
So, grounds for cutting off whatever factional skill would be many: not living by the ethics of Cyrene, or otherwise taking action against Cyrene or aiding Cyrene's enemies.
Though personally I think faction classes should generally involve direct incentives to get engaged in world conflict, which unlikely for Cyrene (unless conflict comes to it). That's not to say Cyrenians can't get involved in PvP at large (I certainly intend to), but full on conflict is unlikely. And since factional classes seem to be used to encourage conflict, I'm not sure if it'd be appropriate for Cyrene (never mind the other issues mentioned in my previous post).