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For me, it's not about the xp at all. Xp is the last thing on my mind. For me, i get the jitters because each fight adjusts my kill/death ratio. That's shittons more important than xp. I would still find PK exciting without xp loss, especially so because it is meaningless in every way, except to those who have sticks up their asses
Yep.
I don't necessarily believe low-level PVE should incur an experience loss.lol, some people.
How I see this war progressing, how it has already happened, and how Mhaldor will win by grinding the non-combatants of Eleusis into dormancy (exactly what's happened the last time large scale conflict of this nature happened). PvP is great and all, but as @Athelas has already said multiple times, when one Mhaldorian can draw Eleusians into combat with a single skill that isn't even the trans skill, it's not even remotely a fair fight.
To everyone crying about forest defs being OP, I laugh at your lies. On my Mhaldorian alt, I was with my mentor, who was forest enemied in a forest. She got smacked five times before sipping in lesser form. Forest defences are a pathetic joke since Lupus and Kaiya did the ritual thingie that nerfed them into the ground because Mhaldorians were crying that RP had measurable repercussions to them. Very similar to how people were crying "The Nature faction has a grove at defendable. That's OP." Granted, most of the current stock of Mhaldorians were not among those who inspired such actions, so no anger at you lot.
Tohran is not a soldier in Eleusis, so no, he's not involved in this war to a great extent. The big problem with the war is that when Mhaldor exterminates, or raids Eleusis; it's not just the combatants who fight. The RP oaths require everyone to stand up and fight now. This is why I really hate PvP in this game. It has become seemingly, the primary focus of everything and everyone. Back in the day, we had RP, lots of it. PvP was a thing, but it wasn't the all-consuming maw that it has become. I'm not sure what happened, be it fewer volunteers to create RP events, warmongers in positions of power, or just a chnage in the player base wanting more conflict and less character development, but either way, not everyone enjoys this. @Melodie has already posted a rant about how she's tired of getting ganked every five minutes or there abouts. I have not been attacked yet, for any thinking this is a rage post. Just airing a few opinions about this whole thing. The fact that @Ravien and @Ruth haven't met yet to discuss this boggles my mind. I realize Ravien is busy, but if she's that busy, why is she still in a position of authority to such a degree that all political negotiations are put on a halt for a time greater than two days?
Can anyone name Eleusians that are NOT @Rangor, @Alrena, @Exelethril, or @Ellodin that are actually really enjoying the war? Take away the five big combatants and you have a bunch of non-coms/midbie fighters who would rather roleplay than PvP. Maybe it's my mindset because I've never been much of one for PvP, even in WoW I preferred the PvE, storylines rule. Maybe I'm just a pain in the ass. Just my perspective.
@Athelas himself said he was starting to enjoy the war in some capacity.
And you won't understand the cause of your grief...
...But you'll always follow the voices beneath.
It's snugglefucks like you that give Eleusis the laughable reputation it has, and have effectivelty driven out people like Xinna, Tessa and myself. You're not getting hunted for the war... you are just going regular exterm defense which happens anyway. Instead of whining like a little bitch, try... i don't know... playing the game and resolving whatever woes you have in game
I would love to enjoy the war, but my class is broken and is getting a complete rework apparently.
Also, the exterminations are only fun for Mhaldorians but forest defenses are OP so it evens out.
I wish everyone would stop writing such short, to-the-point posts and REALLY dig into their hearts and tell us how they really feel about this war in a long, rambling, paragraph format.
To the Eleusian Vietnam protesters: You know it's rude to try and stop @Rangor from having fun, right? He's more important than you. You will die for his enjoyment, and you will like it.
Pretty much.
If you are dying, you are PKing wrong.
At the risk of potentially screwing myself over, I'll go on and tell you, @Tohran, that yesterday I was able to get out and about for a small while to harvest, and have been able to take to the fight on my terms rather than out of pure agitation, which folded in with breaks (like some sailing, some islands, and some just talking to people) has made things doable and occasionally fun. The propaganda has made me laugh (OOCly anyway, ICly I'm still working on something!), and some issues of novices getting attacked has been acknowledged and (hopefully) resolved. The exterminations still really aren't very fun, but knowing some of what I know now, I see why they're happening so much. I don't really think it's a great thing, but that's a personal opinion. One of these days maybe Eleusis will finally get the fix needed to make forestal conflict a little less likely to make people want to tear their hair out.
Or maybe not, considering the entitlement of a decidedly and frighteningly-large portion of the citizens... but so it goes.
That love soon might end You are unbreaking
And be known in its aching Though quaking
Shown in this shaking Though crazy
Lately of my wasteland, baby That's just wasteland, baby
Well I don't forums that much, but I'm trying to be more involved in general. Reading through this thread has been a little frustrating because there's only a few Eleusians posting and therefore only representing a very small portion of the populace.
I personally have legit enjoyed the fucking shit out of this war. There was one night when things were seriously out of control and even I (diehard Mdor v Eleusis warfan #1) was getting frustrated, but it's over and things are back to normal. As normal as 'normal' can be during a war, lol. I think the constant conflict, being on your toes and super paranoid, never standing around complaining that there's nothing to do.. I love it. If we're not doing combat, then we're savoring every minute of peace that we have to like, do whatever else it is that we like to do. The only complaint I have is not being able to solo bash, which would be moot if admin would fix group hunting
I get it that there are people who don't like it, and that's fine. But some of the negativity I've seen is way over the top. Quitting Achaea? Quitting your house/the city? I mean, war is a -finite- thing, why are you giving up after less than a week of conflict? This isn't the cold war, it'll (probably) all be over with sooner than later and we can all get back to whatever it is that's more fun than war!
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Don't disagree with me @Nim! you dirty Cyrenian non-comm! Do you even combat!!! j/k
Quiet @Kiah, nothing is more important or fun that war
Quit the army if you don't want to be involved in the war?
@AchimrstAchimrst said:
I don't think you got my point. No, XP loss isn't extremely important to anyone above about lvl 80. I'm just stating that having no xp loss in PK or against denizens will result in literally everyone being a dragon in a few weeks, longer less meaningful raid situations, another heavy reconstruct of the army/raid/raid defense system, sanctions will really no longer matter because no one loses xp! The job of xp loss is to make people think before they run into Big Z and get lolwrekt. Otherwise you'll just have people who already take huge risks take even larger ones because...why not? (I mean players like Jhui divebombing guards to get a kill at Mhaldor Gates. He gets the kill before he dies due to numb, net gain of xp cause no xp loss.) Rinse and repeat until Penwizean levels.Playing with no xp loss is such a strange concept to me for Achaea. Idk I'd be down for a test period of it or something? Might be weird ICly but it might help a fair amount in this debate.
I get that PVP affects your day-to-day activities. That's what makes it meaningful.
To repeat something I said earlier though, I also get that everybody needs some time to work on their own stuff without being corralled into 24/7 raids. I think wars ought to escalate into what's happening now, but there's very little between "not at war" and "at war" to represent steps in that escalation.
I can see your point, although you don't gain that much XP from killing people. Not to mention Big Z usually walks into you and gets put on roads to lol kill people giving people who don't even want to be hunting to get lolwrekt. Although I don't see making PK the best way to level as a bad thing, simply because this is a PvP game, mostly. Sanctions definitely matter because after they sanction they can start blowing up your city causing damage to shops and other services the city offers to basically stop you from being able to shop or get gold from the bank. So saying sanctioning doesn't have any effect is just ignoring the RP repercussions of having a city raid. Not to mention it takes three actual days for those rooms to repair and cost the city gold. I see plenty of reasons as to why sanctioning matters. XP loss would just add salt to the wound of not being fully capable of defending the city at the time. If @Jhui is going to dive bomb you at the gates of Mhaldor he will do it now if he thought he could live through it. XP means nothing to people at Jhui's level and they can probably get it back really fast anyway.
Finally, as far as dragon goes. I rarely die when hunting and I'm still not a damn dragon! That stuff takes forever to get! Although I can definitely see your point in farming a friend for XP and getting dragon but if you're actually good at combat and can get enough kills to become a dragon that way I think you probably earned it at that point. I am sure they can probably still make it easy to lose XP to guards if they even consider XP loss removal.
XP loss matters a lot more to midbies if they plan on hitting level 80 or making the push for dragon. Dragons don't give a shit about xp, anyone level 100+ dragon would need to true death 300 times without getting a piece of xp before losing a level. If they are in an order they might care as their patron might not be cool with them being negative 5 million essence every year but there's only a handful of people who engage in so much raiding where that's even mathematically plausible.
Maybe re-scaling xp loss so it works out to 15 minutes of the baseline bashing. Right now I believe its probably close to half an hour to recover from a true death for midbies (who probably don't get many kills either) so it makes since how it would be discouraging to participate in a raid, die a few times and have to spend 2 hours to make it back.
@Tohran : You forgot Iakimen, Rom, Lothiac(probably missing a few more names). I don't actually like this war and I'm sort of crippled with lousy rapiers, so all I do is hunt off-plane to avoid getting Naga'd. Though, I do defend when necessary and my token's off cooldown.
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When there's nearly 300 active dragons now, I don't think xp loss is the problem. I think excuses and lack of motivation is. It's not the most difficult thing in the world, it's just a bit of a time commitment, somewhat of a learning curve on how to improve your hunting, consistency, and not taking risks in hunting things bigger than you can handle just for the sake of higher exp per kill.
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One of the symptoms of an approaching nervous breakdown is the belief that one's work is terribly important
Is ok Tohran. Once we're bored with Mhaldor, we'll make peace, have cookies, then go punch ashtan in the face and scream WAAAAARRRR at them too.
ya rite
You thought trees burning was bad, wait til you meet ashtan's version of war!