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Eleusis vs. Mhaldor
The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly.
Day - 133
The Eleusians raided the city proper, slaughtering the guards and making their way to the tanks. The blackened stones of the guardhouse lit up in the emerald flames from their explosions. We responded by bringing out our famed necromancers and destroying the eastern Ithmian forest. The second time in just a few months. Never feeling more at home I watch as my allies bathe in the blood of those deemed unworthy. Ever more singing praises to the one true God. "Burn baby burn."
We have tried when there are defenders on. We hit guard stack, and on first deathsight worldburn is triggered. So that does indeed rarely go well and you could say that makes us "bad" at raiding when mhaldor is around. Other times constables are summoned into our vicinity and eventually they do indeed chase us out of the city. You could also say this makes us "bad" at raiding when defenders are around. I also remember a time where we set up, had shrines cleared, killed guards before full groups were summoned and Mhaldor then raised a shrine next to us and worldburned. Naturally this also got us sent out of the city. Indeed we are not always successful at raiding while Mhaldor is around, you could use this at proof to say we are not good at raiding. Should I mention that there is a mechanic called font as well that increases damage taken?
You see that when the odds are about equal, raiding a city can be a bit problematic. Although we do raid when there are defenders, as well as when there are no defenders. Sometimes it fails, other times it goes well.
I on the other hand can count the raids Mhaldor do on Eleusis on one hand, because generally they don't enter the city but remain in the forests.
Which alt do you play now anyways since you claim to have been logged into the game?
I haven't seen Mhaldor use worldburn in a long time. For this, I am truly grateful. I freaking hate worldburn.
edit : They might have, I just haven't seen it!
Guilty about the worldburn on first death yesterday, actually. I didn't really like the force command to headslam guard very much and a compounding fact was that we didn't really have a lot of defenders (~3-4, including me). Fine, I can excuse that because we all do the timezone abuse sometime or the other. Yet, during the three hour window between that attempt and the next successful one, we had a lot of people come on. We even skirmished with some of you. And then you only decide to raid the city after our people qq to do RL stuff?
What it feels like to me is Eleusis's petulant response to Mhaldor rejecting Ravien and her council's ridiculous 'I will pay you 700k to get you off my city and I won't even bother thinking of anything that could potentially lead to an interesting end of war' counter-offer.
Essentially, it's striking out with a guard raid and inflicting enough of a blow with additional monetary damage, enough to justify (presumably) a declaration of neutral status and a sudden roundabout turn of a self-righteous attitude.
I may have fun with the PK aspect of the conflict and I don't mind dying at all because some interactions are entertaining in its own way (I remember Ellodin jokingly piss-talking about my choice of form to me while simultaneously stabbing me to death the other day I led an extermination on N. Ithmia).
However, there's so much other potential that went to waste in this war that it's sad to say that there's only a few who realize and have the capability to think or act on it.
That's my thoughts on the whole outcome. It was a disappointing war that was barely worth talking about in the IG years to come.
"We have tried when there are defenders on. We hit guard stack, and on first deathsight worldburn is triggered." This statement is very misleading, especially considering the context of Cooper's statement that you responded to "I can't count on one hand (probably 2 or 3) the number of times I logged in to be one of two or three defenders and saw a guard killing party in the city."
You got worldburned when 3/4 defenders (I say defenders: It was Orzaansyn, Ruth, Omi and some unranked 18 year old) were on and you were raiding with 9 people at one point, almost all of them Dragons. Your snide followup statement about Mhaldor not raiding is pretty indicative of your attitude.
No, we didn't get worldburned when the 3 little guys were online. We killed lots of guards then.
We get worldburned when there are defenders online.
Err.. It didn't really have anything to do with the talks you did with Ravien, although the timing was rather nice.
We tried to hit guards and raid when you had people on, but we couldn't get in due to flying blockers as well as getting thrown out when we died on guards. We try to raid, defile and hit a guards when I am around. This time there weren't defenders and we succeeded with guards.
One talk, really.
So, in summary, you all but admitted that the purpose was really to get into the city to PvE guards instead of engaging with the players.
Shrines are really easy to deal with when you've got surprise, and re-raised shrines are really easy to deal with if you're expecting them.
So yes, raid better.
Cascades of quicksilver light streak across the firmament as the celestial voice of Ourania intones, "Oh Jarrod..."
@Ruth That feeling you have there. Yes the one where you would just love to call the opponent a coward followed by any number of expletives, that's how I feel about the mass exterminations.
No, I'm simply calling my opponents completely uninventive and unwilling to acknowledge the facts of any given situation placed before them, and then their ability to compromise so both sides walk away from the war better for it in different aspects.
From my few raids v Mhaldor with Eleusis it basically consists of eleusis gets in, Mhaldor goes to sewers, Eleusis gets in, Mhaldor worldburns.
On my few raids with Mhaldor v Eleusis - it consists of Mhaldor goes to the forest - Mhaldor exterminates - Mhaldor doesn't actually go into the city.
Both cities are dicks.
Fucking griefers.
When city guards magically spring back to life for free after 12 days, the "but but exterminations" crowd has my permission to gripe and moan.
All Mhaldor guards are in range of worldburn.
When doing regular raids outside of guards we do of course kill shrines first (if we bothered bashing first)
Yes. This is a war of attrition no?
Everyone does it, legit defence stragety. Guards are there for a reason, to balance the odds and to make raiding a city harder. (because offenders always picks the time and place.)
Mhaldor's coffers versus the will of Eleusis to resist the urge to type "ARMY RESIGN"?
The goal is to make us run out of elemental ice by offering 2-3 mill gold reward to the one doing the most exterminations.
Sure, we could be way more inventive with the terms. Totally not my thing. War's still going though, so it's not too late to come up with new ideas or proposals.
You know what, I'm curious.
Paging @Sena, I need some math done real quick:
I need you to tell me approximately how much Concoctions revenue is lost from allowing one forest room to remain exterminated for 12 Achaean days.
If we could compare that to the cost of elemental ice and the cost of hiring a new city guard, that would be awesome.
This ball is in your/Eleusis council's court, as it always has been since our initial meeting. It's certainly not my prerogative to do the job for the other organization as well.
So what will you do if we're not satisfyingly inventive? Ending the war for x years, accepting a monetary compensation isn't good enough? :P
Ending this before it becomes unenjoyable for the majority of either side is as much in your court as it is in ours.
For the low low price of 117 credits (selling at 6000 a piece), you can turn Eleusis into Hashan.
Honestly, if that deal goes through, I hope Ashtan immediately declares war afterwards because the idea that the losing party gets to dictate the terms has interesting historical precedent.
Whoa, now Mhaldor is whining more than Eleusis. Does... does this mean we're winning? O_o
I think it's been pretty clear so far that I'm extremely flexible with war conditions, but not to the point bending over to accept inconsequential, material compensation in exchange for cessation of something major, like the whole Nature-Mhaldor 'red fog' conflict arc.
We're hostile to pretty must everybody. Good to go whenever.
Sent By: Achaea on 8/19/16:28
A woolly mammoth, your loyal companion, has been slain by Tyrannus Ruth I'llur, Sartai Navarch
First my spider and now Woozles! Does Mhaldor's cruelty know no bounds?!
but.. what if we win? Or is this not an option? Perhaps a draw?
We win when Eleusis stops caring so much about defending exterms, and changes attitude to avenging them. Then instead of harming Eleusis, Mhaldor has just been doing something more boring than bashing, which eventually heals itself anyway. Then they'll have to actually raid like normal cities!