What Happened To You Today?

Tashar

Well, in the wee hours of my today, I watched a group of Ashtan raiders entirely loot Hashan's novice chest save for like, a few pieces of fruit.

(This was during the logged raid.) I usually only ICly get really bothered about this, but this was just a new low.

Xallax

Tashar said:

Well, in the wee hours of my today, I watched a group of Ashtan raiders entirely loot Hashan's novice chest save for like, a few pieces of fruit.

(This was during the logged raid.) I usually only ICly get really bothered about this, but this was just a new low.

That is a real low, sheesh Ashtan. Spare the newbies the pain, will ya?

Farrah

Austere said:

Im not gonna touch most of this. I don't generally feel the need to explain my availability in such a public fashion, but I'll give the timezone issue a whirl, since it was brought up by a few different people, in large part who have no business questioning when I can devote time and when I cannot. 

I have kids.  Full stop.  My priorities are very well sorted, and on the nights I'm actually able to login before midnight eastern, I am consistently interrupted by my family.  Juice refills, multiple tuck ins, bathroom runs, book readings, ect. Im sure everyone that's been tracking my logins so well can attest to me being on a ship or island, just trying to round up some gold, for the majority of this time. If something is going on that I can contribute to while retaining my ability to walk away, I will(see last night's defense of Tysel and Trendric being ganked).

If anyone has problems with me placing my kids over my playtime, you can feel free to retain your opinion. I assure you, I don't value the thoughts of people that don't understand that family>all of you.

I like how you call 8v1ing me repeatedly gank defense. I am my own gank squad (sometimes 2 I guess when Mez came to try to help against the horde).

You can see how your constant ganking of the other team could lead them to believe you are available enough to raid though...

Just checked discord deathsight for curiosity's sake. I died 18 times last night and got one kill, which was a 1v6 radiation bomb yolo. I was on the receiving end of dogpiles all night. You guys outnumber me. I get it. It's fine. But don't call me the ganker. I was trying to solo jump tons and constantly being ganked.

Astarod

Farrah said:

Austere said:

Im not gonna touch most of this. I don't generally feel the need to explain my availability in such a public fashion, but I'll give the timezone issue a whirl, since it was brought up by a few different people, in large part who have no business questioning when I can devote time and when I cannot. 

I have kids.  Full stop.  My priorities are very well sorted, and on the nights I'm actually able to login before midnight eastern, I am consistently interrupted by my family.  Juice refills, multiple tuck ins, bathroom runs, book readings, ect. Im sure everyone that's been tracking my logins so well can attest to me being on a ship or island, just trying to round up some gold, for the majority of this time. If something is going on that I can contribute to while retaining my ability to walk away, I will(see last night's defense of Tysel and Trendric being ganked).

If anyone has problems with me placing my kids over my playtime, you can feel free to retain your opinion. I assure you, I don't value the thoughts of people that don't understand that family>all of you.

I like how you call 8v1ing me repeatedly gank defense. I am my own gank squad (sometimes 2 I guess when Mez came to try to help against the horde).

You can see how your constant ganking of the other team could lead them to believe you are available enough to raid though...

Edit: Just checked discord deathsight for curiosity's sake. I died 18 times last night and got one kill, which was a 1v6 radiation bomb yolo. I was on the receiving end of dogpiles all night. You guys outnumber me. I get it. It's fine. But don't call me the ganker. I was trying to solo jump tons and constantly being ganked.

Generally, when you left the security of 'inside the gatehouse', you were going after Tysel, and then you got smashed, repeatedly- I mean who wouldn't against a team of 8 as a solo ganker. However, since we were defending Tysel, who you are so fond of hurting for some reason, then it is therefore a defense. Defending a person coming back from a long break from a repeated gank is like a shrine/city defense, you don't just tell people no to offering help. 

It takes thirty seconds to defend someone from a gank though, it's horridly different than a raid. A raid is an organized assault on an enemy city which often takes 30-180 minutes depending on the severity of attack and the people involved. If Austere is like, lets raid, and then is like, lol, jk have to go now- people won't get salty, but it's not a really cool move. If someone is being ganked and you defend them and then are like, okay, I need 20, then it's not as big of a shift for the team involved.

I'm not trying to say you can't just QQ from combat, because it happens to all of us, but raids are far different than defending Farrah's attempts to pad Deathsight with Ashtani. 

Farrah: I was trying to solo jump tons and constantly being ganked.

HRM. Jump = Gank. Sorry we jumped your solo ganks, hun.

Sobriquet

When seagulls follow the trawler, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. 

Farrah

Astarod said:

Farrah said:

Austere said:

Im not gonna touch most of this. I don't generally feel the need to explain my availability in such a public fashion, but I'll give the timezone issue a whirl, since it was brought up by a few different people, in large part who have no business questioning when I can devote time and when I cannot. 

I have kids.  Full stop.  My priorities are very well sorted, and on the nights I'm actually able to login before midnight eastern, I am consistently interrupted by my family.  Juice refills, multiple tuck ins, bathroom runs, book readings, ect. Im sure everyone that's been tracking my logins so well can attest to me being on a ship or island, just trying to round up some gold, for the majority of this time. If something is going on that I can contribute to while retaining my ability to walk away, I will(see last night's defense of Tysel and Trendric being ganked).

If anyone has problems with me placing my kids over my playtime, you can feel free to retain your opinion. I assure you, I don't value the thoughts of people that don't understand that family>all of you.

I like how you call 8v1ing me repeatedly gank defense. I am my own gank squad (sometimes 2 I guess when Mez came to try to help against the horde).

You can see how your constant ganking of the other team could lead them to believe you are available enough to raid though...

Edit: Just checked discord deathsight for curiosity's sake. I died 18 times last night and got one kill, which was a 1v6 radiation bomb yolo. I was on the receiving end of dogpiles all night. You guys outnumber me. I get it. It's fine. But don't call me the ganker. I was trying to solo jump tons and constantly being ganked.

Generally, when you left the security of 'inside the gatehouse', you were going after Tysel, and then you got smashed, repeatedly- I mean who wouldn't against a team of 8 as a solo ganker. However, since we were defending Tysel, who you are so fond of hurting for some reason, then it is therefore a defense. Defending a person coming back from a long break from a repeated gank is like a shrine/city defense, you don't just tell people no to offering help. 

It takes thirty seconds to defend someone from a gank though, it's horridly different than a raid. A raid is an organized assault on an enemy city which often takes 30-180 minutes depending on the severity of attack and the people involved. If Austere is like, lets raid, and then is like, lol, jk have to go now- people won't get salty, but it's not a really cool move. If someone is being ganked and you defend them and then are like, okay, I need 20, then it's not as big of a shift for the team involved.

I'm not trying to say you can't just QQ from combat, because it happens to all of us, but raids are far different than defending Farrah's attempts to pad Deathsight with Ashtani. 

Farrah: I was trying to solo jump tons and constantly being ganked.

HRM. Jump = Gank. Sorry we jumped your solo ganks, hun.

Gank = gang kill. It means teaming. It does not mean the same as jumping.

[Deleted User]

Farrah said:

Astarod said:

Farrah said:

Austere said:

Im not gonna touch most of this. I don't generally feel the need to explain my availability in such a public fashion, but I'll give the timezone issue a whirl, since it was brought up by a few different people, in large part who have no business questioning when I can devote time and when I cannot. 

I have kids.  Full stop.  My priorities are very well sorted, and on the nights I'm actually able to login before midnight eastern, I am consistently interrupted by my family.  Juice refills, multiple tuck ins, bathroom runs, book readings, ect. Im sure everyone that's been tracking my logins so well can attest to me being on a ship or island, just trying to round up some gold, for the majority of this time. If something is going on that I can contribute to while retaining my ability to walk away, I will(see last night's defense of Tysel and Trendric being ganked).

If anyone has problems with me placing my kids over my playtime, you can feel free to retain your opinion. I assure you, I don't value the thoughts of people that don't understand that family>all of you.

I like how you call 8v1ing me repeatedly gank defense. I am my own gank squad (sometimes 2 I guess when Mez came to try to help against the horde).

You can see how your constant ganking of the other team could lead them to believe you are available enough to raid though...

Edit: Just checked discord deathsight for curiosity's sake. I died 18 times last night and got one kill, which was a 1v6 radiation bomb yolo. I was on the receiving end of dogpiles all night. You guys outnumber me. I get it. It's fine. But don't call me the ganker. I was trying to solo jump tons and constantly being ganked.

Generally, when you left the security of 'inside the gatehouse', you were going after Tysel, and then you got smashed, repeatedly- I mean who wouldn't against a team of 8 as a solo ganker. However, since we were defending Tysel, who you are so fond of hurting for some reason, then it is therefore a defense. Defending a person coming back from a long break from a repeated gank is like a shrine/city defense, you don't just tell people no to offering help. 

It takes thirty seconds to defend someone from a gank though, it's horridly different than a raid. A raid is an organized assault on an enemy city which often takes 30-180 minutes depending on the severity of attack and the people involved. If Austere is like, lets raid, and then is like, lol, jk have to go now- people won't get salty, but it's not a really cool move. If someone is being ganked and you defend them and then are like, okay, I need 20, then it's not as big of a shift for the team involved.

I'm not trying to say you can't just QQ from combat, because it happens to all of us, but raids are far different than defending Farrah's attempts to pad Deathsight with Ashtani. 

Farrah: I was trying to solo jump tons and constantly being ganked.

HRM. Jump = Gank. Sorry we jumped your solo ganks, hun.

Gank = gang kill. It means teaming. It does not mean the same as jumping.

This is not entirely correct. The term predates gaming all together, and didn't necessarily imply 'teaming' someone. Seeing as the original meaning of the word meant "to rob/steal".

Even if you're using purely gaming, it's not still not entirely correct. Considering it doesn't equal 'gang kill' in gaming terminology. It's its own word, simply meaning to kill someone in an unfair manner. It could simply refer to surprise-jumping someone significantly weaker than you.

Austere

I love that me phrasing "jumping a level 85 unartied Ashtani with 2 artied Hashani, one of which has staff" as a gank is the sticking point here. Nicely done. 

Jovolo

Sobriquet said:

When seagulls follow the trawler, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. 

His acceptance speech for the UCL President's Award was even better

Archaeon

Inb4 lock

Kriex

What happened to me today:

Got deathscall for 200 credits
One piece from completing my cape for less than 500cr
Found out I suck fighting as dragon outside of group combat

Watched this thread turn to shit and potentially get locked.

Good day so far

Farrah

Austere said:

I love that me phrasing "jumping a level 85 unartied Ashtani with 2 artied Hashani, one of which has staff" as a gank is the sticking point here. Nicely done. 

This never happened... Mezghar only joined in once Ashtan started doing so so it wasn't remotely us vs one Ashtani. It was us vs 5-8. If the fact that I have staff means retaliating for 5-8v1s and getting 5-8v1ed more somehow makes me a ganker, I am just lost in this extremely circular logic.

Staff is not so good it takes 5 people to fairly fight me.

Austere

Farrah said:

Austere said:

I love that me phrasing "jumping a level 85 unartied Ashtani with 2 artied Hashani, one of which has staff" as a gank is the sticking point here. Nicely done. 

This never happened... Mezghar only joined in once Ashtan started doing so so it wasn't remotely us vs one Ashtani. It was us vs 5-8. If the fact that I have staff means retaliating for 5-8v1s and getting 5-8v1ed more somehow makes me a ganker, I am just lost in this extremely circular logic.

Staff is not so good it takes 5 people to fairly fight me.

"That never happened, until it did". Again, I love that this is a sticking point for my argument against "timezone abuse".

Jovolo

But if you're the one doing the ganking, it's not reasonable to expect the odds to be fair

Farrah

How am I the one ganking? Ashtan smashed me with a 5-8 person team. One of those people was out wandering alone so I went after them. Then Ashtan smashed me again. It's expected, yes. I don't keep doing the same thing and expect it not to happen again. But the idea that I'm the ganker for hunting gankers is literally ridiculous.

And I'm obviously not hunting randoms. I'm hunting the people who 8v1ed me. If one of them happens to be lvl 85, it doesn't really change anything. He's also not remotely the only one treated that way. I went after every single Ashtani who had ganked me who left Ashtan, including Ryzan, Trendric, and Penwize. Every one resulted in a massive dogpile gank again (again, as expected).

But like... Lol at me being a ganker. I'm only challenging the presentation of the facts here. Not complaining.

Austere said:

Farrah said:

Austere said:

I love that me phrasing "jumping a level 85 unartied Ashtani with 2 artied Hashani, one of which has staff" as a gank is the sticking point here. Nicely done. 

This never happened... Mezghar only joined in once Ashtan started doing so so it wasn't remotely us vs one Ashtani. It was us vs 5-8. If the fact that I have staff means retaliating for 5-8v1s and getting 5-8v1ed more somehow makes me a ganker, I am just lost in this extremely circular logic.

Staff is not so good it takes 5 people to fairly fight me.

"That never happened, until it did". Again, I love that this is a sticking point for my argument against "timezone abuse".

You are acting like we 2v1ed though when we never did. It was already 2v5 at least by the time he joined. We never just 2v1 ganked someone. He had backup.

Jovolo

You're arguing about different things I think. I disagree with the assertion that you're not a ganker, you can be a justified ganker for sure. Doesn't mean that you aren't ganking? With that person in question (the lvl 85 ashtani) having attacked you first in a dogpiling situation makes you completely justified to go after them again. You're still a ganker tho

Austere is talking about timezone abuse or something

Archaeon

https://forums.achaea.com/discussion/2640/the-less-aggressive-menace#latest

[Deleted User]

Have you ever jumped someone in a situation you knew favoured you?

If so, you're a ganker. It is not an inherently negative term as you seem to be taking it. You don't need to get so defensive at being called one.

Accipiter

Pyori said:

It is not an inherently negative term as you seem to be taking it. 

Yes it is.

Puxi

Today I learned that Pyori is really Oscar from The Office. Proof: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAyt3KUVkrY

Xallax

After a long, bloody struggle of king and queen, I caught @Sphera in a checkmate! She played amazingly well and almost got me several times. I've never played chess with someone so clever!

Asmodron

Tashar said:

Well, in the wee hours of my today, I watched a group of Ashtan raiders entirely loot Hashan's novice chest save for like, a few pieces of fruit.

(This was during the logged raid.) I usually only ICly get really bothered about this, but this was just a new low.

Because timezones obviously..

Lenn

Time zones are truly a mysterious force. I never knew what manipulations they could have upon the Ashtani playerbase.

Asmodron

Lenn said:

Time zones are truly a mysterious force. I never knew what manipulations they could have upon the Ashtani playerbase.

The book "Zoning: An Interplanetary Conundrum" goes into quite the detail of the mental infliction of timezones that can cause random malicious acts.

I'm told use of C.O.F.F.E.E is highly regarded as a viable means of mitigation.

Jovolo

Skye

I have anxiety and fear of people trying to sell me beauty packages while getting a haircut but today I bit the bullet. After a year of hair getting long and unmanageable, I finally got a haircut... well, on the weekend. It feels nice being able to dry my hair in 10 minutes and sleep without accidentally pulling my hair when rolling over (I'm a roller)

Also the craft store had clearance sale, I finally found a starter kit for embroidery that *wasn't* gonna cost me an arm and a leg. Seriously, most of these cost updates of 40 bucks for some reason, but this was going for $11.40 for some reason. Includes two projects with all the threads, printed outlines on the fabric and a primer on how to do all those elegant lady stitches. Feel like a real lady now.

Nyneve

Congratulations on the haircut! Over the past year my hairstyle has been getting shorter and shorter until finally I got a pixie cut. Quick AM hair is great!  

Good luck on your new hobby. I watch embroidery videos every now and then when I happen upon them during clickhole sessions. I cross stitch depending on my mood but I haven’t picked up the piece I’m working on in months. 

IG, @Milabar introduced me to the island of Tuar as an Anniversary outing gift. We will be collecting matching pets and atlatls.

Adrik

You stare implacably at @Elon.

Elon shuffles his feet uneasily.

You stare implacably at Farrah.

You say with a Jaruvian accent, "This isn't.. unexpected but."

You say with a Jaruvian accent, "What did he do this time."

Mezghar takes some salve from a vial and rubs it on his skin.

Mezghar gives Elon the once over.

Elon croaks to Farrah, "You have to kiss me."

Elon croaks, "Or I will be a toad for forever."

You begin a Minuet in measured, precise tones, aimed at Farrah.

You have gained the complete trust of your victim.

@Farrah kisses Elon passionately.

You have lost the trust of your victim, at least for now.

You tilt your head to one side, rub your chin, and thoughtfully declare "Hrm."

Elon smiles softly.

You feel an aura of rebounding surround you.

You say with a Jaruvian accent, "Didn't work."

You give a pained sigh.

Elon croaks, "It's okay. She can try again."

You say with a Jaruvian accent, "Must not be true love."

Elon croaks, "I do not mind."

Elon gives you a pained sigh.

You smirk.

Mezghar says in a measured, basso voice, "I am not kissing him."

You say with a Jaruvian accent, "But, really though."

Farrah says, "Did you just -force- me to kiss someone?"

You say with a Jaruvian accent, "What did you do this time."

Farrah glares angrily at you.

You stare implacably at Farrah.

You say with a Jaruvian accent, "Yes."

Elon croaks, "That's probably why."

Elon frowns at you.

You say with a Jaruvian accent, "Your husband is a toad."

You say with a Jaruvian accent, "Will you take him for all his faults."

Farrah glares angrily at you.

You whisper with a Jaruvian accent, "I tried to save Elon."

A look of relief crosses a warty toad's face as the enchantment wears off and he transforms back

into Elon.

You say with a Jaruvian accent, "Now.. I uh."

You say with a Jaruvian accent, "Must.. save myself."

Elon says, "I am saved anyway."

Elon gives Farrah a peck on the cheek.

"Amok! Amok! Amok!" you scream as you run in circles frantically.

[FLEE]

Within a glass pavilion. (indoors)

Placed in preparatory memoriam, implacable chiselwork marks this gravestone "CHARLIUS". A square

display case sits atop a wooden pedestal. A runic totem is planted solidly in the ground. A 

spherical lamp hangs here, glowing with a soft, radiant light. Its flat surface displaying countless 

runes, a mirror-like servitor hovers nearby. A shimmering orb lies here, illuminating the 

surrounding area with a slight glow. There are 2 glamours of Ashtan, the Seat of Chaos here. 

Suspended betwixt the realm of life and death, a spectre of the Shadow Court keeps vigil over the 

location. There are 2 mounted tsalmaveths here. Darkness enshrouds the glamour of Hashan that hovers 

here. Broken and pockmarked, a diamond lies here.

You see a single exit leading out.

A horrifying feeling fills you from the inside, but it lasts for only a moment before you explode

into a million gory bits.

You have been slain by a throng of pixie children.

A piece from a talisman of custody vibrates fiercely as Farrah absorbs the shock of your death.

Your starburst tattoo flares as the world is momentarily tinted red.

A ginger root falls out of your inventory.

A goldenseal root falls out of your inventory.

A bloodroot leaf falls out of your inventory.

A lobelia seed falls out of your inventory.

A black cohosh root falls out of your inventory.

Some irid moss falls out of your inventory.

A hawthorn berry falls out of your inventory.

A piece of kelp falls out of your inventory.

A ginseng root falls out of your inventory.

A kola nut falls out of your inventory.

A skullcap flower falls out of your inventory.

You have been slain by a throng of pixie children.

A piece from a talisman of custody vibrates fiercely as Farrah absorbs the shock of your death.

43) You told Farrah: .. OW.

The world dissolves into a whirl of colours. As your sight returns, so does sensation; you have been restored to life.

You wince in pain.

You give a piece from a talisman of custody to Farrah.

Farrah says, "What are you two -doing-?"

44) You told Pandora: That.. mostly just hurt Farrah.

45) You told Pandora: Okay, I'll accept the beating now.

You say to Farrah with a Jaruvian accent, "Kill me."

Farrah raises an eyebrow questioningly.

46) Pandora told You: Didn't you just?

47) You told Pandora: I didn't lose the experience, she did. I don't consider that truly getting the

stuffin beaten out of me. Though, I guess I could let her kill me.

48) Pandora told You: ...are you a masochist?

49) You told Pandora: ...I don't know what that words means. So yes.

You say to Farrah with a Jaruvian accent, "What's a Masochist."

You say with a Jaruvian accent, ".. Anyone..?"

You crease your brow in a frown.

Elon says, "Someone who enjoys dueling a jester."

You tilt your head to one side, rub your chin, and thoughtfully declare "Hrm."

You say with a Jaruvian accent, "That's. Odd."

Elon nods his head in agreement.

You say with a Jaruvian accent, "Pandora asked if I was one."

Elon says, "Are you?"

You say with a Jaruvian accent, "I don't like fighting jesters."

Farrah's eyes sparkle with amusement.

50) You told Pandora: Elon told me that a masochist is someone who enjoys dueling jesters. I do not like dueling Jesters.

Made my day.

Cooper

Farrah said:

How am I the one ganking? Ashtan smashed me with a 5-8 person team. One of those people was out wandering alone so I went after them. Then Ashtan smashed me again. It's expected, yes. I don't keep doing the same thing and expect it not to happen again. But the idea that I'm the ganker for hunting gankers is literally ridiculous.

And I'm obviously not hunting randoms. I'm hunting the people who 8v1ed me. If one of them happens to be lvl 85, it doesn't really change anything. He's also not remotely the only one treated that way. I went after every single Ashtani who had ganked me who left Ashtan, including Ryzan, Trendric, and Penwize. Every one resulted in a massive dogpile gank again (again, as expected).

But like... Lol at me being a ganker. I'm only challenging the presentation of the facts here. Not complaining.

Austere said:

Farrah said:

Austere said:

I love that me phrasing "jumping a level 85 unartied Ashtani with 2 artied Hashani, one of which has staff" as a gank is the sticking point here. Nicely done. 

This never happened... Mezghar only joined in once Ashtan started doing so so it wasn't remotely us vs one Ashtani. It was us vs 5-8. If the fact that I have staff means retaliating for 5-8v1s and getting 5-8v1ed more somehow makes me a ganker, I am just lost in this extremely circular logic.

Staff is not so good it takes 5 people to fairly fight me.

"That never happened, until it did". Again, I love that this is a sticking point for my argument against "timezone abuse".

You are acting like we 2v1ed though when we never did. It was already 2v5 at least by the time he joined. We never just 2v1 ganked someone. He had backup.

Just a heads up, this is 100% the same thing Proficy has done in the past that you condemned him over. Specifically him getting ganked, retaliating by 1v1 ganking everyone who ganked him, and then getting further ganked in return. You had a massive problem with him doing that back then (to the point of encouraging people to issue him), what changed to make that okay for you to do now?

Profit

You guys have seriously devalued the term ganking in the last ten years.