WTF, no more holocaust? Well we may as well just give up forest conflict. Or are they going to get rid of grove summon too, because with it exterminate is freaking useless.
All good changes. Could use a toning down or removal of forest defs to complement no holo, and a reduction in essence loss to mitigate reduced gain from offering, but this fixes some of the most frustrating aspects of the various conflict systems.
I imagine the Admin are pretty busy with so many changes going through lately - it's a lot to juggle. Currently in the ACC we're focusing mostly on one class at a time, to get a more in-depth review than if we were doing them all at once.
I agree with @Katzchen on this: the @Cain Holo-train was the only way we could cause any sort of large-scale damage to the forests, when grove summon can transport us cross-continent into a completely different forest so quickly.
ETA: This one is probably for the class-leads, but I think that one (possible) way to solve this would be to make grove-summon area only. It already makes little sense from an RP perspective how a grove can eject you from one forest and into another.
@Nizaris: You guys have done wide-scale damage just fine with groups of exterminators. All holocaust did was encourage (require) us to bring huge teams against single people (since we have to kill them quickly), and encourage (require) us to sit around waiting for them, since they'd otherwise disappear to Mhaldor before we could deal with it directly.
And when we raid Mhaldor to deal with it, we get accused of time zone abuse. #AllOfMyShrugs
These changes will encourage people to exterminate off plane more often as oppose to make the conflict more meaningful from the attitudes I see from both sides.
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One of the symptoms of an approaching nervous breakdown is the belief that one's work is terribly important
Southern corner of the Merchant's Quarter. The bright sun shines down, blanketing you with its life-giving warmth. A runic totem is planted solidly in the ground. There are 5 Ashtani corsairs here. There are 2 black Zarathustran stallions here. A silver stallion crafted from shadow paces here in restless anticipation. A pair of large, bulbous black eyes stand vertically out of the head of this giant ghost crab, peering about sharply. A spirited cremello stallion paces restlessly nearby, ears twitching with boundless energy. A delicate storm-grey mare paces gingerly nearby. Given leave to stretch its wings, a noble falcon soars, revealing metallic flashes of colour from between its onyx feathers while awaiting further orders. Resting here with a haughty expression is a golden gryphon. The pitch-black silhouette of a war horse lingers like a shadowy presence here. Dressed in resplendent armour to match his golden dun, a war horse graces you with his presence. A cow covered in copper consumes her cud close by. A fierce tiger prowls restlessly nearby. You can see no further.
Ryukishi hiccups suddenly.
Nieelensars flutters her eyelashes at you.
A scrawny crow flaps in from the up and perches on a nearby ledge.
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Nieelensars collapses to the ground in a fit of giggles, shaking with unrestrained mirth.
A look of panic flashes on Ryukishi's face as he bites into a puffer fish.
Darklyre peers at a fillet of fish unscrupulously.
Ryukishi says in a subtle, growling voice, "Oh f***."
Nieelensars rolls on the floor, laughing.
Nieelensars says in a wispy, sing-song voice, "Don't die on us."
Ryukishi says in a subtle, growling voice, "That was the wrong fish."
Nieelensars rolls on the floor, laughing.
Darklyre says in a rough, gravelly voice, "I hope you've got a starburst tatted."
@Nizaris: You guys have done wide-scale damage just fine with groups of exterminators. All holocaust did was encourage (require) us to bring huge teams against single people (since we have to kill them quickly), and encourage (require) us to sit around waiting for them, since they'd otherwise disappear to Mhaldor before we could deal with it directly.
And when we raid Mhaldor to deal with it, we get accused of time zone abuse. #AllOfMyShrugs
Done wide-scale damage just fine, what 300 years ago? Hasn't happened lately. Too many Eleusians ready to immediately go to their grove and summon you. Not much you can do with a 20 second balance regen. When @Nizaris said 'wide scale' he probably means about 8-12 rooms, because that's the most I've seen lately. And those were in direct response to Eleusian raids on Mhaldor. Doesn't take much to regen that, and you don't have to regen with forest defs hitting you, while being open pk to your enemies, and with the threat of beings summoned and slaughtered long before you even get balance back, often before your exterminate even works on the room.
Agree with @mishgul all this will achieve is we will have to go out of our way to avoid trying to exterminate on plane, or while defenders are around.
I think the problem here is that you're putting the focus on "damaging the forest" and not "encouraging interaction." This might be an unhealthy attitude to carry in.
I think the problem here is that you're putting the focus on "damaging the forest" and not "encouraging interaction." This might be an unhealthy attitude to carry in.
And you're sure that wasn't Cain holobombing?
Actually I'm not at all focussed on damage to the forest. I just think we should be able to have a chance to do that damage, or the conflict is unfair. I am all in support of skirmishing with the enemy, but being summoned and ganked repeatedly while unable to even do any damage in the first place, even if we have several good combatants is not fun or fair, it's just ridiculous. My point was that this change WILL shift to us having to choose to go out of our way to damage the forest, and avoiding conflict by being offplane, because that is the only way we can successfully do anything now.
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They allowed Teemo but not Blooblay? WTF. I would like to see some God %&#@* Consistancy on the naming policy.
And that is my rant
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All good changes. Could use a toning down or removal of forest defs to complement no holo, and a reduction in essence loss to mitigate reduced gain from offering, but this fixes some of the most frustrating aspects of the various conflict systems.
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And when we raid Mhaldor to deal with it, we get accused of time zone abuse. #AllOfMyShrugs
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One of the symptoms of an approaching nervous breakdown is the belief that one's work is terribly important
Southern corner of the Merchant's Quarter.
The bright sun shines down, blanketing you with its life-giving warmth. A runic totem is planted
solidly in the ground. There are 5 Ashtani corsairs here. There are 2 black Zarathustran stallions
here. A silver stallion crafted from shadow paces here in restless anticipation. A pair of large,
bulbous black eyes stand vertically out of the head of this giant ghost crab, peering about sharply.
A spirited cremello stallion paces restlessly nearby, ears twitching with boundless energy. A
delicate storm-grey mare paces gingerly nearby. Given leave to stretch its wings, a noble falcon
soars, revealing metallic flashes of colour from between its onyx feathers while awaiting further
orders. Resting here with a haughty expression is a golden gryphon. The pitch-black silhouette of a
war horse lingers like a shadowy presence here. Dressed in resplendent armour to match his golden
dun, a war horse graces you with his presence. A cow covered in copper consumes her cud close by. A
fierce tiger prowls restlessly nearby.
You can see no further.
Ryukishi hiccups suddenly.
Nieelensars flutters her eyelashes at you.
A scrawny crow flaps in from the up and perches on a nearby ledge.
You suck thoughtfully on your teeth.
Nieelensars's eyes gleam with generosity.
Nieelensars drops a fillet of fish.
Nieelensars drops a fillet of fish.
Nieelensars drops a fillet of fish.
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Your eyes widen in disbelief as you shout, "Oh my GODS!"
Your eyes widen in disbelief as you shout, "Oh my GODS!"
Your eyes widen in disbelief as you shout, "Oh my GODS!"
Your eyes widen in disbelief as you shout, "Oh my GODS!"
Your eyes widen in disbelief as you shout, "Oh my GODS!"
Nieelensars rubs her hands together greedily.
Nieelensars collapses to the ground in a fit of giggles, shaking with unrestrained mirth.
A look of panic flashes on Ryukishi's face as he bites into a puffer fish.
Darklyre peers at a fillet of fish unscrupulously.
Ryukishi says in a subtle, growling voice, "Oh f***."
Nieelensars rolls on the floor, laughing.
Nieelensars says in a wispy, sing-song voice, "Don't die on us."
Ryukishi says in a subtle, growling voice, "That was the wrong fish."
Nieelensars rolls on the floor, laughing.
Darklyre says in a rough, gravelly voice, "I hope you've got a starburst tatted."
You roll on the floor, laughing.
Done wide-scale damage just fine, what 300 years ago? Hasn't happened lately. Too many Eleusians ready to immediately go to their grove and summon you. Not much you can do with a 20 second balance regen. When @Nizaris said 'wide scale' he probably means about 8-12 rooms, because that's the most I've seen lately. And those were in direct response to Eleusian raids on Mhaldor. Doesn't take much to regen that, and you don't have to regen with forest defs hitting you, while being open pk to your enemies, and with the threat of beings summoned and slaughtered long before you even get balance back, often before your exterminate even works on the room.
Agree with @mishgul all this will achieve is we will have to go out of our way to avoid trying to exterminate on plane, or while defenders are around.
Honourable, knight eternal,
Darkly evil, cruel infernal.
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I think the problem here is that you're putting the focus on "damaging the forest" and not "encouraging interaction." This might be an unhealthy attitude to carry in.
And you're sure that wasn't Cain holobombing?
Actually I'm not at all focussed on damage to the forest. I just think we should be able to have a chance to do that damage, or the conflict is unfair. I am all in support of skirmishing with the enemy, but being summoned and ganked repeatedly while unable to even do any damage in the first place, even if we have several good combatants is not fun or fair, it's just ridiculous. My point was that this change WILL shift to us having to choose to go out of our way to damage the forest, and avoiding conflict by being offplane, because that is the only way we can successfully do anything now.
Honourable, knight eternal,
Darkly evil, cruel infernal.
Necromanctic to the core,Dance with death forever more.