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  • DrotDrot
    Could anyone look at my occultist thread? :) really curious 
  • AnedhelAnedhel
    You slash into Krizal's torso with an elegant silvered scimitar.
    Horror overcomes Krizal's face as her body stiffens into paralysis.
    Your left arm is too severely damaged to permit that.
    Both your arms must be free and functioning to do that.
    5437h 4290m 99%e 99%w |EE [la1 timeflux] [91|145.6|81.9|0|0|0] 04:34:20.863

    Is this how it's supposed to work after the change? Cuz I'd kinda rather not be able to DSL (get forced to wait) at all than be able to DSL with one broken arm and only deliver one hit.

  • XadenXaden
    Anedhel said:
    You slash into Krizal's torso with an elegant silvered scimitar.
    Horror overcomes Krizal's face as her body stiffens into paralysis.
    Your left arm is too severely damaged to permit that.
    Both your arms must be free and functioning to do that.
    5437h 4290m 99%e 99%w |EE [la1 timeflux] [91|145.6|81.9|0|0|0] 04:34:20.863

    Is this how it's supposed to work after the change? Cuz I'd kinda rather not be able to DSL (get forced to wait) at all than be able to DSL with one broken arm and only deliver one hit.

    Oh fuck that. I assumed that you were going to be back slashing with your one good arm. Absolutely, 100% undo that change if that's as intended!!

    @Makarios is this intentional?
         He is a coward who has to bring two friends as backup to jump people hunting.

  • AntoniusAntonius
    When I was fighting Proficy I could fully doubleslash with one damaged arm, so there may be a difference between mending and restoration breaks or left vs right arm being broken. I'd do some testing then bug it, but that doesn't look right.

    Results of disembowel testing | Knight limb counter | GMCP AB files

  • AnedhelAnedhel
    You say to Krizal, "Mind breaking one of my arms real quick? Just the one."
    (PP)5447h 4774m 100%e 100%w XX|EE M  [0|0|0|0|0|0] 04:47:23.053
    (Party): You say, "Eep."
    (PP)5447h 4774m 100%e 100%w XX|EE M  [0|0|0|0|0|0] 04:47:29.785
    [AFF] BROKENLEFTARM | With efficient, precise motions a crystalline golem latches onto your left arm,
     before giving a vicious twist.
    (PP)5141h 4774m 100%e 100%w XX|EE M [la1] (-306h, 5.6%) [0|0|0|0|0|0] 04:47:36.814
    You thank Krizal profusely.
    (PP)5447h 4774m 100%e 100%w XX|EE M [la1] (+306h, 5.6%) [0|0|0|0|0|0] 04:47:51.570
    (Party): You laughingly say, "You poofed."
    (PP)5447h 4774m 100%e 100%w XX|EE M [la1] [0|0|0|0|0|0] 04:47:54.005
    Being careful not to poison yourself, you wipe off all the venoms from an elegant silvered scimitar.
    (PP)5447h 4774m 100%e 100%w XX|EE M [la1] [0|0|0|0|0|0] 04:47:59.701
    Being careful not to poison yourself, you wipe off all the venoms from an elegant silvered scimitar.
    (PP)5447h 4774m 100%e 100%w XX|EE M [la1] [0|0|0|0|0|0] 04:47:59.773
    There are no venoms on that item at present.
    (PP)5447h 4774m 100%e 100%w XX|EE M [la1] [0|0|0|0|0|0] 04:47:59.776
    Krizal nods her head emphatically.
    (PP)5447h 4774m 100%e 100%w |EE M [la1] [0|0|0|0|0|0] 04:48:02.421
    You have recovered balance on all limbs. 1.88s
    (PP)5447h 4774m 100%e 100%w XX|EE M [la1] [0|0|0|0|0|0] 04:48:03.451
    Target switched to Krizal
    (PP)5447h 4774m 100%e 100%w XX|EE M [la1] [0|0|0|0|0|0] 04:48:04.241
    (Party): You say, "Target krizal."
    (PP)5447h 4774m 100%e 100%w XX|EE M [la1] [0|0|0|0|0|0] 04:48:04.321
    [Offence]: UNTARGETED hit on Krizal
    Your left arm is too severely damaged to permit that.
    Both your arms must be free and functioning to do that.
    (PP)5447h 4774m 99%e 100%w |EE M [la1] [0|0|0|0|0|0] 04:48:05.347
    You have recovered balance on all limbs. 1.799s
    (PP)5447h 4774m 100%e 100%w XX|EE M [la1] [0|0|0|0|0|0] 04:48:07.144
    [Offence]: UNTARGETED hit on Krizal
    Your left arm is too severely damaged to permit that.
    Both your arms must be free and functioning to do that.
    (PP)5447h 4774m 99%e 100%w |EE M [la1] [0|0|0|0|0|0] 04:48:07.221
    Krizal takes a drink from a stone vial.
    (PP)5447h 4774m 99%e 100%w |EE M [la1] [0|0|0|0|0|0] 04:48:07.422
    You have recovered balance on all limbs. 1.964s
    (PP)5447h 4774m 99%e 100%w XX|EE M [la1] [0|0|0|0|0|0] 04:48:09.183
    [Offence]: UNTARGETED hit on Krizal
    Your left arm is too severely damaged to permit that.
    Both your arms must be free and functioning to do that.
    (PP)5447h 4774m 99%e 100%w |EE M [la1] [0|0|0|0|0|0] 04:48:09.239
    You have recovered balance on all limbs. 1.921s
    (PP)5447h 4774m 100%e 100%w XX|EE M [la1] [0|0|0|0|0|0] 04:48:11.157
    [Offence]: UNTARGETED hit on Krizal
    Your left arm is too severely damaged to permit that.
    Both your arms must be free and functioning to do that.
    (PP)5447h 4774m 99%e 100%w |EE M [la1] [0|0|0|0|0|0] 04:48:11.236

    So it uh... went from being able to DSL with one arm to blocking the command. We working through a bug? :D
  • AntoniusAntonius
    You've also gone from targetted DSL to untargetted... Stop changing so many variables (one aspect should differ between each test), identify every situation where it does and doesn't work properly, then BUG it with all of that information. That's the best way to get quick fixes.

    Results of disembowel testing | Knight limb counter | GMCP AB files

  • AnedhelAnedhel
    edited July 2016
    Antonius said:
    You've also gone from targetted DSL to untargetted... Stop changing so many variables (one aspect should differ between each test), identify every situation where it does and doesn't work properly, then BUG it with all of that information. That's the best way to get quick fixes.
    Fair enough! I'll test it again in just a sec. Sorry! :D

    Lightning-quick, you jab Lianice's left leg with an elegant silvered scimitar.
    Your right arm is too severely damaged to permit that.
    Both your arms must be free and functioning to do that.
    (PP)5447h 4774m 99%e 100%w |EE M [ra1] [10|0|0|0|0|0] 05:00:59.910

    You swing an elegant silvered scimitar at Lianice's left arm with all your might.
    Your left arm is too severely damaged to permit that.
    Both your arms must be free and functioning to do that.
    (PP)4680h 4774m 99%e 100%w |EE M [la1] [10|0|0|0|30|0] 05:02:18.897

    [Offence]: UNTARGETED hit on Lianice
    Your left arm is too severely damaged to permit that.
    Both your arms must be free and functioning to do that.
    (PP)4952h 4774m 99%e 100%w |EE M [la1] [10|0|0|0|40|0] 05:03:10.762

    Alright, so it seems untargeted, you can't do it at all. Targeted, you hit with whatever arm isn't broken. You can't raze if the left arm's broken. This seems a little weird.

    The arm broken doesn't seem to affect it, except to block whichever weapon you have in that hand. Tried untargeted DSL with right arm broken only, and it got the same as left arm broken (can't do it).

  • AntoniusAntonius
    What about restoration breaks instead of mending?

    Results of disembowel testing | Knight limb counter | GMCP AB files

  • AnedhelAnedhel
    Antonius said:
    What about restoration breaks instead of mending?
    Haven't tested, super worn out. After a break, I'll give it a look. I thought the classlead was only meant to deal with mending breaks, though, allowing knights to hit you with restoration breaks seems a little nuts to me.
  • AntoniusAntonius
    One arm free should be one arm free, doesn't matter if the other one is broken, damaged or mangled. Most other classes can already continue their offense with a single damaged/mangled arm, DWC Knight isn't so horrendously overpowered that it needs to be stopped by it (and, as far as I know, sword and shield can already attack with a damaged/mangled arm).

    Results of disembowel testing | Knight limb counter | GMCP AB files

  • AnedhelAnedhel
    Lightning-quick, you jab Ada's right arm with an elegant silvered scimitar.
    [Offence]: WE HIT REBOUNDING! || WE HIT REBOUNDING!
    [AFF] BROKENRIGHTARM | Your right arm is too severely damaged to permit that.
    Both your arms must be free and functioning to do that.
    (PP)5157h 4774m 99%e 100%w |EE M [ra2 ra1] (-290h, 5.3%) [0|0|0|0|0|0] 09:38:56.866
    You have recovered balance on all limbs. 1.801s
    (PP)5429h 4774m 100%e 100%w XX|EE M [ra2 ra1] (+272h, 5.0%) [0|0|0|0|0|0] 09:38:58.664
    [Offence]: UNTARGETED hit on Ada
    [Offence]: WE HIT REBOUNDING! || WE HIT REBOUNDING!
    Your right arm is too severely damaged to permit that.
    Both your arms must be free and functioning to do that.
    (PP)5066h 4774m 99%e 100%w |EE M [ra2 ra1] (-363h, 6.7%) [0|0|0|0|0|0] 09:38:59.316

    Seems to be the exact same case with restoration breaks. You hit with the unbroken arm in targeted DSLs, can't do it at all untargeted!
  • AntoniusAntonius
    It's hard to tell since you gag/replace so much, but "[Offence]: WE HIT REBOUNDING! || WE HIT REBOUNDING!" kinda suggests you still hit with the left hand on the untargetted doubleslash?

    Results of disembowel testing | Knight limb counter | GMCP AB files

  • AnedhelAnedhel
    edited July 2016
    Antonius said:
    It's hard to tell since you gag/replace so much, but "[Offence]: WE HIT REBOUNDING! || WE HIT REBOUNDING!" kinda suggests you still hit with the left hand on the untargetted doubleslash?
    Doh, yeah. Sorry, I didn't read that right. Seems you do hit with the unbroken arm with untargeted DSLs with a resto-broken arm, as well as with targeted DSLs. Only mending-level breaks stop untargeted DSLs from what I can tell.

    ETA: re-tested to confirm, and that's indeed the case.
  • FarrahFarrah
    Your sub said you were untargeted hitting in the mending tests too, in the other log.
  • JovoloJovolo
    What are the top three hunting classes right now? Assuming no artefacts. I'm curious.
  • MorthifMorthif
    I don't think there is a clear best anymore though I find faster hitting classes like bard to be more my style now. 
  • JukilianJukilian
    If your left arm is the only one broken, can't dsl. If your right arm is the only one broken, can dsl.

    Dsl hits with left arm first, always.
  • SzanthaxSzanthax San Diego
    Jukilian said:
    If your left arm is the only one broken, can't dsl. If your right arm is the only one broken, can dsl.

    Dsl hits with left arm first, always.
    Lefties ftw



  • OmorOmor
    Jovolo said:
    What are the top three hunting classes right now? Assuming no artefacts. I'm curious.
    Last I heard, Knights are still on top. Pretty much any of the specs. 
    Omor Ceberek - Targossas

    got gud
  • XadenXaden
    Omor said:
    Jovolo said:
    What are the top three hunting classes right now? Assuming no artefacts. I'm curious.
    Last I heard, Knights are still on top. Pretty much any of the specs. 
    Dragon
         He is a coward who has to bring two friends as backup to jump people hunting.

  • SarathaiSarathai
    Jovolo said:
    What are the top three hunting classes right now? Assuming no artefacts. I'm curious.
    Absolutely none at all? Knights, Sylvans, or dragons. And I'm tempted to discount dragons because you have to actually get there first.
    - (Eleusis): Ellodin says, "The Fissure of Echoes is Sarathai's happy place."
    - With sharp, crackling tones, Kyrra tells you, "The ladies must love you immensely."
    - (Eleusian Ranger Techs): Savira says, "Most of the hard stuff seem to have this built in code like: If adventurer_hitting_me = "Sarathai" then send("terminate and selfdestruct")."
    - Makarios says, "Serve well and perish."
    - Xaden says, "Xaden confirmed scrub 2017."



  • KlendathuKlendathu Eye of the Storm
    Xaden said:
    Omor said:
    Jovolo said:
    What are the top three hunting classes right now? Assuming no artefacts. I'm curious.
    Last I heard, Knights are still on top. Pretty much any of the specs. 
    Dragon
    Dragon is tanky, but hella slow. Knight probably better.

    Tharos, the Announcer of Delos shouts, "It's near the end of the egghunt and I still haven't figured out how to pronounce Clean-dat-hoo."
  • ShirszaeShirszae Santo Domingo
    2h is slow as all hell without artefacts. Though that being said, I haven't really hunted with any other class beyond dragon since the hunting changes

    And you won't understand the cause of your grief...


    ...But you'll always follow the voices beneath.

  • DunnDunn
    2h feels like it does the most damage and my criticals actually matter. 


  • FarrahFarrah
    S&B seems awful, to me, compared to Dragon. The damage is just so low.
  • DunnDunn
    Yeah the crits feel like nothing. 


  • XadenXaden
    Dwc crits just seem amazing to me. Critting once every two seconds.
         He is a coward who has to bring two friends as backup to jump people hunting.

  • AnedhelAnedhel
    It really depends on your level. 2h at under 93 without arties is like pulling teeth. After that, though (specially with human bonus), you're right at the top of the food chain, if your strength's respectable. Monster damage.

    DWC's pretty solid all the way through, though lackluster for very high health stuff (WSCs only take a little under half a deathknight's health at 19str with level 3's, iirc). 

    Of the knight classes, I like Paladin the best for bashing. The battlerage is really, really great (regen is wonderful, shock hurts a lot, and recover is boss if you're bashing with a pal), the str bonus is also great, and fullplate is <3. 
  • AhmetAhmet Wherever I wanna be
    @Anedhel feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but I can't possibly imagine how 2h would get better than any other classes at any point? Literally every class gets the same dps bonus from those crits. If something's better at a lower level, it should be better at the higher levels too :sweat:
    Huh. Neat.
  • AnedhelAnedhel
    Higher base damage means the criticals hit for more. For instance, if your attack does 2% x 32 = 64%, whereas 5% x 32 = 160%. Means when you start getting the upper end criticals, you're one-shotting most things (the only thing I can't one-shot with a WSC at 19 str with a level 3 bastard sword are DKs), and that makes you hunt quicker. 
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