I think there's a pretty big difference between knowing basic information about someone in a world where everyone is latently telepathic, and knowing what you happened to decide your inanimate object is called.
Why is that, though? If you're 'telepathic' enough to know their name, where they live, what they've been 'up to' in regards to deeds - why is it a stretch that you'd be 'telepathic' enough to know they call their weapon something?
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@Cynlael It's not that I don't understand what you're saying, it's that I think it's a bad argument. And I don't think that there's any reason why telepathy, which lets us know someone's identity from just their voice, wouldn't let us know their identity when we see them in person.
We'd all agree that there are certain things that it makes sense to be publicly available, and other things that aren't. No one's pushing for house membership, order membership, or any number of other details (many of which, I'd argue, are more obvious then the name of your weapon) to be included in honours. The question, then, isn't so much whether there should be a line between things known and things not, but where that line should be.
What I don't like about the argument getting made is that it doesn't provide any justification why weapon names are more appropriately on the "known" side then the "unknown", it's just an argument that weapon names -could- be known because a subset of other things are.
What I don't like about the argument getting made is that it doesn't provide any justification why weapon names are more appropriately on the "known" side then the "unknown", it's just an argument that weapon names -could- be known because a subset of other things are.
Not sure what you're trying to say here. Your argument is the exact same thing. What justification has anyone provided (ignoring the line of known/unknown) that isn't based around 'I don't like it'?
Again, it's not like you can find out what the name is without being in the room/squint/observe range - really not seeing what the issue is. If you can justify knowing as much about a person as honours provides, from anywhere you choose to use it, there's no logical reason why you wouldn't also be able to justify knowing the name of their weapon once you are within a few rooms of them.
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Doesn't seem like there's a good reason to think naming an item is dumb/pretentious/ostentatious/etc.
Doesn't seem like there's a good reason why people are -wrong- to think it's dumb/pretentious/ostentatious/etc.
In the spirit of the thread- anyone have the room emotes (if any) of the ictheli mounts? Like, some horses'll shake their heads every so often, or something, stuff like that.
Doesn't seem like there's a good reason why people are -wrong- to think it's dumb/pretentious/ostentatious/etc.
Sure there is. Achaea isn't real life, and comparing ways people know things IRL to ways people know things in-game is just not going to work. If I could know everything about RandomStranger#1, like where he lives or who he's related to without ever having met him before, that'd be amazing... And maybe a little creepy. "Yeah my sister-" "Which one? Sarah? Amanda? Charlotte?" "...Wtf dude."
I never said I had a problem with how Achaeans know each other's weapons' names. I said it's legit to think naming your weapon is goofy, which is a perfectly valid opinion to have! Just like Taqhuil phrased it.
Oops, totally overthought that comment. Oh well, in the end it's just people having opinions. Just like we can think those people are dumb, for having said opinions.
Is the world of Achaea round? Does the sun rise from the east or the west? Or maybe the north or the south? Are there different timezones stretching across Sapience, and over to Meropis?
Yes. Spherical planet. I can't think of anywhere this is explicitly stated, but you can infer it from the way everything else behaves: orbits, comets, moons, rings, star constellations. Nowhere is it stated that Achaea is flat, or of any other nature.
Does the sun rise from the east or the west? Or maybe the north or the south?
I don't know that it's explicitly stated anywhere (so it's never mattered). But according to Mithraea's former order the sun rises in the east and sets in the west.
Are there different timezones stretching across Sapience, and over to Meropis?
No. It's the type of thing that you could apply in theory, "If the world is this shape and rotates in this way, therefore Zanzibaar must see sunrise before Tapoa, and if..." But in practise there are no timezones.
Have any of you who really dislike named weapons thought about using your MUD client to sub it out for something different? Instead of, to use the made up name I used before, Fury, Hammer of Wrath, why not sub it to something you like instead like... an enormous onyx warhammer?
Expecting the world to make special substitution triggers just for your weapon's name is even more pretentious than deciding that the world should know your weapon's name on sight in the first place!
More seriously, this debate gets rehashed every so often. I personally find it tacky, evocative of a certain level of special snowflakiness, but at the end of the day it doesn't affect me in the slightest. Personally, I've thought it would be cool if even Blademaster swords weren't named on QL; a generic 'Two Arts sword' line when held, with the sword's true name known only to the Blademaster and revealed in the Broken Star deathsight.
I wasn't expecting anyone to do anything. I was asking a question to see if anyone had considered it. I was attempting to be as polite and neutral about it as I could, but it seems like your post is the direct opposite. I'm sorry if my thought upset you so much.
@Tahquil I respect your opinion! It's even pretty valid. I just like the idea of having a named weapon and, if the admin don't mind what I have in mind, I'm going to go through with that. It certainly doesn't bother me on a personal level if you think I'm being vain. I probably am. But it seems to me that's human nature. People are technically being vain every time they put on makeup or buy clothes that they think flatters their figure, but as far as I'm concerned, more power to them.
I just don't see it as hurting anyone and, if it REALLY does bother people, well... There -are- means to change it.
Yes. Spherical planet. I can't think of anywhere this is explicitly stated
Not stated as such, but the artwork of Sarapis shows Achaea as a spherical planet.
That was the main one that came to mind, but it seems dubious as an IC resource. Unless that picture is hanging up in the Library of the Ancients or something...
I never said I had a problem with how Achaeans know each other's weapons' names. I said it's legit to think naming your weapon is goofy, which is a perfectly valid opinion to have! Just like Taqhuil phrased it.
I'm just waiting on my customisation approval so I can have :
Lightning-quick, you jab Anedhel's right leg with a fucking scimitar. You slash into Anedhel's right leg with another fucking scimitar.
He is a coward who has to bring two friends as backup to jump people hunting.
Delphinus, naturally, has argued for its sphericity before, and I'm sure he has a archive of every single sentence in Achaea EVER that infers it. The Disc of the Nocturne has been cited as evidence, for example.
Funnily enough, when Meropis first came out, the surrounding waters were bugged and surveyed as the Borean Ocean. That was also used to argue the world is round (i.e., that from south of Sapience, Meropis wrapped all the way around the planet, back to north of Sapience).
How much does aldar talisman trade for? It won't say in game.
You can ARTEFACT <thing> VALUE and it'll tell you the price of the artefact. Everything turns in for 66% of the original cost, except SoW items, which trade in for 10cr apiece.
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We'd all agree that there are certain things that it makes sense to be publicly available, and other things that aren't. No one's pushing for house membership, order membership, or any number of other details (many of which, I'd argue, are more obvious then the name of your weapon) to be included in honours. The question, then, isn't so much whether there should be a line between things known and things not, but where that line should be.
What I don't like about the argument getting made is that it doesn't provide any justification why weapon names are more appropriately on the "known" side then the "unknown", it's just an argument that weapon names -could- be known because a subset of other things are.
Again, it's not like you can find out what the name is without being in the room/squint/observe range - really not seeing what the issue is. If you can justify knowing as much about a person as honours provides, from anywhere you choose to use it, there's no logical reason why you wouldn't also be able to justify knowing the name of their weapon once you are within a few rooms of them.
Penwize has cowardly forfeited the challenge to mortal combat issued by Atalkez.
Doesn't seem like there's a good reason why people are -wrong- to think it's dumb/pretentious/ostentatious/etc.
In the spirit of the thread- anyone have the room emotes (if any) of the ictheli mounts? Like, some horses'll shake their heads every so often, or something, stuff like that.
"Yeah my sister-"
"Which one? Sarah? Amanda? Charlotte?"
"...Wtf dude."
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I don't know that it's explicitly stated anywhere (so it's never mattered). But according to Mithraea's former order the sun rises in the east and sets in the west.
No. It's the type of thing that you could apply in theory, "If the world is this shape and rotates in this way, therefore Zanzibaar must see sunrise before Tapoa, and if..." But in practise there are no timezones.
@Tahquil I respect your opinion! It's even pretty valid. I just like the idea of having a named weapon and, if the admin don't mind what I have in mind, I'm going to go through with that. It certainly doesn't bother me on a personal level if you think I'm being vain. I probably am. But it seems to me that's human nature. People are technically being vain every time they put on makeup or buy clothes that they think flatters their figure, but as far as I'm concerned, more power to them.
I just don't see it as hurting anyone and, if it REALLY does bother people, well... There -are- means to change it.
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And 'planet' typically implies spherical.
Lightning-quick, you jab Anedhel's right leg with a fucking scimitar.
You slash into Anedhel's right leg with another fucking scimitar.
Funnily enough, when Meropis first came out, the surrounding waters were bugged and surveyed as the Borean Ocean. That was also used to argue the world is round (i.e., that from south of Sapience, Meropis wrapped all the way around the planet, back to north of Sapience).
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