It's theoretically possible, but generally would only happen with huge changes. A long time ago, a character went through the cities and basically three of four lost all right to Devotion, and one of those three also banned Occultists with it. It's not terribly common, but Achaea is a place where things can change and evolve.
If you're wondering on the chances, not very high. Obviously things change, but a lot of it is player-motivated, rather than just admin passing down sanctions.
And I love too Be still, my indelible friend That love soon might end You are unbreaking And be known in its aching Though quaking Shown in this shaking Though crazy Lately of my wasteland, baby That's just wasteland, baby
I think @Tecton mentioned relocating a lot of the contracts recently so maybe that has something to do with it?
(D.M.A.): Cooper says, "Kyrra is either the most innocent person in the world, or the girl who uses the most innuendo seemingly unintentionally but really on purpose."
There were a lot of contracts that had been allocated to dormant members of the Mark re-allocated, and those that were for dormant targets appear to have now been removed (I've lost one)
Tharos, the Announcer of Delos shouts, "It's near the end of the egghunt and I still haven't figured out how to pronounce Clean-dat-hoo."
Deadeyes bleed/bleed has about 60% of the DPS of decay. With a diadem (which only applies to decay), bleed/bleed is about 50% of decay, with even less of a speed advantage. On top of that, decay uses far less mana and willpower.
Learning weaponry and bashing with a mediocre throwing axe (or any weapon with good stats) will work better than bleed.
So, I had 6 contracts last time I logged in. Down to 1 now, with no messages.
I assume the person who took it out revoked it? Why didn't I receive notification as to why I no longer have the contract?
The one I'd taken out poofed with no message. Was about to ask what was going on when I saw I wasn't the only one having some sort of odd thing going on. I wondered if they might have purged it as people had been discussing so many dormant people getting them... apparently that is what is happening?
@Sena While I appreciate your art, sometimes you make me wonder why the average person can't do simple math.
The average person doesn't know the numbers to do the math with. Especially for newbies (or forum newbies at least), it's easier to ask a question than to search the forums for information that might not exist.
I got all 6 of them from the re-allocation. So I can only assume they were canceled or those that were dormant were removed. I'm pretty sure 3 of them at least we're dormant.
Penwize has cowardly forfeited the challenge to mortal combat issued by Atalkez.
Bardics/artisanals being considered IC is one of my biggest pet peeves
It really makes absolutely no sense to me at all.
I fail to see how it does not make sense, really. I mean, it could probably be integrated in a better fashion, but in the end its just a neutral contest run by a neutral organization in a neutral city. Thats all
And you won't understand the cause of your grief...
1. It being IC logically excludes players from it who are good at writing/drawing, but have characters that aren't. Not everyone wants to play an artistic character, even if you're artistic yourself.
2. It being IC should also exclude players who have characters who'd simply consider it beneath them to participate in something as "tame" as an artistic competition. Why would some hardcore Mhaldorian want to subject himself to the judgement of some arbitrary organisation which consists of members who don't even follow the Seven Truths and thus are generally mislead about reality and would never comprehend the true meaning within "Evil Art"? That's as if some Nazi artist entered a competition run by Jewish art critics.
3. When it comes to visual works, there's a pronounced dichotomy between IC and OOC works: OOC, a painting is a painting and requires painting skills to make. IC, a painting is a piece of text describing a painting and requires writing skills to make. If I'm good at describing things in writing, I can RP a great painter. I don't have to be able to actually paint IRL. If I'm good at painting IRL but not at describing things in text, I can paint IRL, but I can't very well RP being a painter in-game. Artisanals being considered IC mixes all of this up however and suddenly requires RL painting skills to be a good in-game painter, even if you may not have the writing skills to actually back it up in-game. And vice versa.
4. Does it being IC imply that the content of the submitted piece may have IC consequences? Does it mean that an Eleusian player couldn't submit a poem about the glory of civilisation without being chastised for it IC? If one was required to only submit artworks from the perspective of your character, that might severely limit what you can send in at all.
5. The bardics/artisanals have no actual IC representation. The judging panel doesn't consist of any actual in-game denizens, there is no physical in-game place where the contest takes place, and the vast majority of the artworks is never created in-game. It's all entirely virtual, which severely limits its credibility as a real IC thing. I'm not saying things can't be IC if they aren't represented by in-game items/places/npcs, but it would certainly help to integrate it into the game world.
1 - If a character does not want to participate then they don't need to. And miss the prizes. Consequences and all that.
2- Assumptions, etc. Most Mhaldorians I knew/know IC had quite a liking for art in one way or the other. And not just the bloody kind either. Sure, some mhaldorians might be like you mentioned, but not all need to be. Beside, its not like a Mhaldorian to stop doing something just because the world at large will not appreciate it.
3- This one has more of a point. I am tempted to say you could be a painter if you could achieve either of those, but I am aware thats a bit... problematic. I don't really think it mixes it all up, thought. More so, it provides an alternative of sorts, if a flawed one.
4- An interesting point. Would be great if someone explored it in some way, some day. Can't say I would mind at all
5- I very much agree with you on this, and wish they would create one or two denizens to handle the judging IC, even if it was a summary thing. More than that, thought, I wish they made it somehow possible to read winning entries from in-game.
Just a quick response. Very possible that I overlooked something, but that the gist of my thoughts.
And you won't understand the cause of your grief...
2- Assumptions, etc. Most Mhaldorians I knew/know IC had quite a liking for art in one way or the other. And not just the bloody kind either. Sure, some mhaldorians might be like you mentioned, but not all need to be. Beside, its not like a Mhaldorian to stop doing something just because the world at large will not appreciate it.
I didn't say Mhaldorians weren't supposed to like art. The point was more about whom they would allow to judge their art. Mhaldorians are only an example for this, of course. It might apply to many people.
My issue here is that in a world where there is so much hostile ideology and war, it seems unlikely that artists from all over the world would, inbetween slaughtering each other, regularly come together to compare their artworks in a neutral setting and let it be judged by some arbitrary panel.
Mind you: such a thing could very well happen between artists who happened to be on opposing warring sides, but personally disagreed with their governments' violent ideologies, but much less so for artists who fully embrace said ideologies and consider their opponents to be scum that needs to be wiped from the face of Sapience.
1 - If a character does not want to participate then they don't need to. And miss the prizes. Consequences and all that.
2- Assumptions, etc. Most Mhaldorians I knew/know IC had quite a liking for art in one way or the other. And not just the bloody kind either. Sure, some mhaldorians might be like you mentioned, but not all need to be. Beside, its not like a Mhaldorian to stop doing something just because the world at large will not appreciate it.
3- This one has more of a point. I am tempted to say you could be a painter if you could achieve either of those, but I am aware thats a bit... problematic. I don't really think it mixes it all up, thought. More so, it provides an alternative of sorts, if a flawed one.
4- An interesting point. Would be great if someone explored it in some way, some day. Can't say I would mind at all
5- I very much agree with you on this, and wish they would create one or two denizens to handle the judging IC, even if it was a summary thing. More than that, thought, I wish they made it somehow possible to read winning entries from in-game.
Just a quick response. Very possible that I overlooked something, but that the gist of my thoughts.
Not really going to step into this conversation but you may be interested to know that Kaden keeps the "originals" of all his Bardics.
Scarlatti's Commune? I mean, sure, the contest is not run by the clan, but it is dedicated to art, and it has people from all over the ideology spectrum, excepting those from Targossas, who are forbbiden by Targ from joining. So, I don't see why the above would be impossible. In my head, artists would keep killing to the field of battle and art and such to the field of ideas, so to speak. Too different kinds of combat, so to speak. (Or at least, thats how the more fanatic could see it)
And you won't understand the cause of your grief...
Real answer: No. Submissions to artisanals and bardics are considered
OOC. You, the player, are showing off your skills. Your character can go
on being terrible at art or only liking very serious literature for his
cute little puppy dog eyes. Whatever you want.
Taken from Lusternia (logically, the same should really apply here given that it's not different at all [aside from theirs being monthly, woo!])
I think it was once stated in Achaea that they're considered IC here. Such distinctions aren't always drawn around the same lines between different IRE games.
I am quite sure the Bardics are considered IC. You get honours lines for it and I know some Bardic works used to be reproduced and hung in the Scarlattan Theatre. People have also tended to give out favours for placing in the Bardics, which means there's already IC recognition of them. It was a difficult decision to join because my character would not have been one particularly given to writing stories, but I love writing stories so I sort of had to compromise on that one.
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Anyone else woke up with 0 gold in their pack? Pretty sure I didn't get thieved from, since I haven't left my bedroom in ages.
There is a current bug that involved peoples gold in packs and things. @Makarios is aware of it, and is working on a solution. (Even though we all know he is stealing it for pocket money!).
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That love soon might end You are unbreaking
And be known in its aching Though quaking
Shown in this shaking Though crazy
Lately of my wasteland, baby That's just wasteland, baby
So, I had 6 contracts last time I logged in. Down to 1 now, with no messages.
I assume the person who took it out revoked it? Why didn't I receive notification as to why I no longer have the contract?
Penwize has cowardly forfeited the challenge to mortal combat issued by Atalkez.
I think @Tecton mentioned relocating a lot of the contracts recently so maybe that has something to do with it?
For bashing as an apostate is bleed better than decay once you start getting crits?
No
Deadeyes bleed/bleed has about 60% of the DPS of decay. With a diadem (which only applies to decay), bleed/bleed is about 50% of decay, with even less of a speed advantage. On top of that, decay uses far less mana and willpower.
Learning weaponry and bashing with a mediocre throwing axe (or any weapon with good stats) will work better than bleed.
@Sena While I appreciate your art, sometimes you make me wonder why the average person can't do simple math.
The one I'd taken out poofed with no message. Was about to ask what was going on when I saw I wasn't the only one having some sort of odd thing going on. I wondered if they might have purged it as people had been discussing so many dormant people getting them... apparently that is what is happening?
The average person doesn't know the numbers to do the math with. Especially for newbies (or forum newbies at least), it's easier to ask a question than to search the forums for information that might not exist.
I got all 6 of them from the re-allocation. So I can only assume they were canceled or those that were dormant were removed. I'm pretty sure 3 of them at least we're dormant.
Penwize has cowardly forfeited the challenge to mortal combat issued by Atalkez.
Bardics/artisanals being considered IC is one of my biggest pet peeves
It really makes absolutely no sense to me at all.
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I fail to see how it does not make sense, really. I mean, it could probably be integrated in a better fashion, but in the end its just a neutral contest run by a neutral organization in a neutral city. Thats all
And you won't understand the cause of your grief...
...But you'll always follow the voices beneath.
The problem with it is:
1. It being IC logically excludes players from it who are good at writing/drawing, but have characters that aren't. Not everyone wants to play an artistic character, even if you're artistic yourself.
2. It being IC should also exclude players who have characters who'd simply consider it beneath them to participate in something as "tame" as an artistic competition. Why would some hardcore Mhaldorian want to subject himself to the judgement of some arbitrary organisation which consists of members who don't even follow the Seven Truths and thus are generally mislead about reality and would never comprehend the true meaning within "Evil Art"? That's as if some Nazi artist entered a competition run by Jewish art critics.
3. When it comes to visual works, there's a pronounced dichotomy between IC and OOC works: OOC, a painting is a painting and requires painting skills to make. IC, a painting is a piece of text describing a painting and requires writing skills to make. If I'm good at describing things in writing, I can RP a great painter. I don't have to be able to actually paint IRL. If I'm good at painting IRL but not at describing things in text, I can paint IRL, but I can't very well RP being a painter in-game. Artisanals being considered IC mixes all of this up however and suddenly requires RL painting skills to be a good in-game painter, even if you may not have the writing skills to actually back it up in-game. And vice versa.
4. Does it being IC imply that the content of the submitted piece may have IC consequences? Does it mean that an Eleusian player couldn't submit a poem about the glory of civilisation without being chastised for it IC? If one was required to only submit artworks from the perspective of your character, that might severely limit what you can send in at all.
5. The bardics/artisanals have no actual IC representation. The judging panel doesn't consist of any actual in-game denizens, there is no physical in-game place where the contest takes place, and the vast majority of the artworks is never created in-game. It's all entirely virtual, which severely limits its credibility as a real IC thing. I'm not saying things can't be IC if they aren't represented by in-game items/places/npcs, but it would certainly help to integrate it into the game world.
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Iocun said:
Just a quick response. Very possible that I overlooked something, but that the gist of my thoughts.
And you won't understand the cause of your grief...
...But you'll always follow the voices beneath.
I didn't say Mhaldorians weren't supposed to like art. The point was more about whom they would allow to judge their art. Mhaldorians are only an example for this, of course. It might apply to many people.
My issue here is that in a world where there is so much hostile ideology and war, it seems unlikely that artists from all over the world would, inbetween slaughtering each other, regularly come together to compare their artworks in a neutral setting and let it be judged by some arbitrary panel.
Mind you: such a thing could very well happen between artists who happened to be on opposing warring sides, but personally disagreed with their governments' violent ideologies, but much less so for artists who fully embrace said ideologies and consider their opponents to be scum that needs to be wiped from the face of Sapience.
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Not really going to step into this conversation but you may be interested to know that Kaden keeps the "originals" of all his Bardics.
@Iocun
Scarlatti's Commune? I mean, sure, the contest is not run by the clan, but it is dedicated to art, and it has people from all over the ideology spectrum, excepting those from Targossas, who are forbbiden by Targ from joining. So, I don't see why the above would be impossible. In my head, artists would keep killing to the field of battle and art and such to the field of ideas, so to speak. Too different kinds of combat, so to speak. (Or at least, thats how the more fanatic could see it)
And you won't understand the cause of your grief...
...But you'll always follow the voices beneath.
Taken from Lusternia (logically, the same should really apply here given that it's not different at all [aside from theirs being monthly, woo!])
(http://forums.lusternia.com/discussion/comment/23534/#Comment_23534)it would bewilder me a bit if it is IC.
what if yae is a terrible artist and can only draw stick figures at best
ooc vs ic?
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Then you should get your rolepoints docked if you submit a high-quality artwork through the artisanals!
I think it was once stated in Achaea that they're considered IC here. Such distinctions aren't always drawn around the same lines between different IRE games.
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TBF, @Yae that second one would probably get a merit in modern day stuff.
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Anyone else woke up with 0 gold in their pack? Pretty sure I didn't get thieved from, since I haven't left my bedroom in ages.
There is a current bug that involved peoples gold in packs and things. @Makarios is aware of it, and is working on a solution. (Even though we all know he is stealing it for pocket money!).
How long does swiftcurse last?
It lasts for 15 seconds and has a 4 second equilibrium without both quick-witted and a diadem.
So a potential of 11 seconds at 1 second on average, but with queueing I think it's 0.9 - that's with nimble.