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  • EldEld Member Posts: 3,946 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    edited September 2014
    Sena said:
    The script would probably be useful, though from that it sounds like a flat amount of damage is unlikely.

    The reason I was wondering about it is that Tecton said it "adds a small bonus to the damage before it is multiplied by the critical modifier, so it gets better the higher your critical strength." If it was a multiplicative bonus, it wouldn't matter (aside from slight differences due to rounding) whether it was applied before or after the critical modifier.
    In case you (or anyone else) want to play around with it, I packaged up the relevant bits of code and added some comments, to make it hopefully clear what's going on. I didn't do any testing after the cleaning up and packaging, but it should be fine. It only has damage values for drawslash (old ones, from before the bashing changes), but it should be pretty obvious how to add in other attacks. The list of denizens for which I got semi-accurate health numbers to use is also pretty small, so if you happen to have more (or more accurate) data on different denizens' max health, it would probably help.

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bxhnkqe60WzXTUZqOGUzcHB2LUk/edit?usp=sharing
  • RazhaRazha Member Posts: 108 ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    @Sena, can I see the current charts for DPS by class?
  • SenaSena Member Posts: 3,957 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    I don't think there have been any changes since I posted them earlier in the thread.
    Razha
  • SynbiosSynbios Member Posts: 4,630 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    @Sena, question: How big of a theoretical difference in bashing DPS would be if blademasters had either one of the following:

    1. An added off-hand attack
    2. Re-adjusted stance damage values


  • SenaSena Member Posts: 3,957 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Without more specific information: it would make their DPS somewhere between infinity and negative infinity.

    How much would the extra attack do and how would it work? How would the stance damage values be adjusted?
    Praxides
  • AtalkezAtalkez Member, Secret Squirrel Posts: 5,280 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    @Sena what if multislash was made available for bashing?

    Not around to help test

    Deucalion has cowardly declined the challenge of Atalkez to engage in mortal combat.

    You hug Aurora compassionately.
    Praxides
  • SenaSena Member Posts: 3,957 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Same answer. Without more specific information: it would make their DPS somewhere between infinity and negative infinity.

    How much damage would each multislash hit do, and what would the accuracy be like (if it could miss)?

    It doesn't really make any difference what the method is. Whether you change base drawslash damage, change stance modifiers, allow striking denizens, allow infusions to give bonuses against denizens, allow burst and drawslash to be comboed, allow twoarts attacks besides drawslash to be used on denizens, give blademasters a bonus to crit rate, or any of a dozen other possible changes, it doesn't matter, all that matters is the specific details and numbers.
    Praxides
  • NimNim Member Posts: 2,015 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    @Sena: What if instead of Arash matching standard DPS, some other stance matched the standard DPS? Eg. some other stance did the same damage Arash currently does. Would Sanya or Thyr damage become particularly crazy if unstanced became the new standard? If Sanya or Thyr became the new standard, would Arash be particularly crazy? Is there ever a scenario where Doya becomes useful? How would Mir perform in these scenarios? How would bands scale the damage?
    Praxides
  • SenaSena Member Posts: 3,957 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Changing drawslash to be balanced around Sanya instead of Arash would probably be the simplest way to fix it. That would make them on par with the other classes (except the overpowered ones using forged/artefact weapons). Arash wouldn't be too strong, because you're taking  ~25% (I think) more damage in exchange for dealing ~15% more damage.

    The only way I can think of to make Doya useful without directly buffing the stance is to add a second attack that can be comboed with drawslash, and give that attack a balance/eq cost of 3s, unaffected by stances. Then any stance other than Doya or Mir will mean wasted damage because drawslash recovers early, while Doya and Mir match it perfectly (in that case, Doya will be better for offence and Mir will be better for defence). Bands complicate that, but I can think of two possible solutions: Bands modify the balance on the second attack, so it stays the same relative to drawslash, or the second attack is 2.5 seconds, which means without a band it matches up with unstanced/Sanya, and with a L3 band it matches up with Mir/Doya.
    NimPraxides
  • SynbiosSynbios Member Posts: 4,630 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Sena said:

    How much would the extra attack do and how would it work? How would the stance damage values be adjusted?

    Was thinking of damage values similar to either sternum strike or pommelstrike. 

    Praxides
  • DarklyreDarklyre Member Posts: 189 ✭✭✭✭ - Eminent
    edited September 2014
    Daeir said:
    I really like Mizik's suggestion to add sternum strike and potentially even shin generation to bashing. BM bashing would probably quickly go up to being one of the best in the game again, which honestly, is where it sort of belongs.
    BM bashing should be slash/strike anyways, if only so novices have a reason to learn how to strike.

    But no shin. You add shin, you'd better give monks kai! :p
    Praxides
  • MizikMizik Member Posts: 2,177 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    edited September 2014
    Honestly, with Health Trans being balance less, it's probably better that attacks don't generate shin.

    Just let Binding work on denizens without shin.

    That all being said, I'm bashing in Mir right now with a 62/xxx/237 dagger and it's f'king amazing. We might not need shit! 

    Just gotta swap all the novice files to learn weaponry first and save 100 lessons for prof.
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    PraxidesBorran
  • HasarHasar Member Posts: 795 @ - Epic Achaean
    Anyone have numbers for mana and health regen rings?

  • JhuiJhui Member Posts: 1,958 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Hasar said:
    Anyone have numbers for mana and health regen rings?
    Planning ahead for year 2020?
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  • CynlaelCynlael Member Posts: 3,257 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Mizik said:
    Honestly, with Health Trans being balance less, it's probably better that attacks don't generate shin.

    Just let Binding work on denizens without shin.

    That all being said, I'm bashing in Mir right now with a 62/xxx/237 dagger and it's f'king amazing. We might not need shit! 

    Just gotta swap all the novice files to learn weaponry first and save 100 lessons for prof.
    I'd ask for numbers... But that'd probably result in it getting nerfed >_>

  • SenaSena Member Posts: 3,957 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Synbios said:
    Sena said:

    How much would the extra attack do and how would it work? How would the stance damage values be adjusted?

    Was thinking of damage values similar to either sternum strike or pommelstrike. 
    There are no damage values for sternum or pommelstrike against denizens. PvE damage and PvP damage are entirely unrelated. That's why I'm saying that it could literally be anything.
    PraxidesSynbios
  • CynlaelCynlael Member Posts: 3,257 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    edited September 2014
    Could have it similarly to monks, wherein sternum strike would do ~1/2-2/3 of the damage that drawslash does.
    So rather than it being like:
    Orc Health: 100
     -Drawslash-
    Orc Health: 93%

    It would be more like:
    Orc Health: 100%
     -Drawslash-
     -Sternum Strike-
    Orc Health: 89-90%


    edit: Mir/Sanya damage. Not Arash.

  • RazhaRazha Member Posts: 108 ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    Is there any info on classless bashing? Most effective weapon proficiency, etc.
  • SenaSena Member Posts: 3,957 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Not exactly. I have the damage formula for rapiers, but not other weapon types, so I don't know which weapons are best.
  • SenaSena Member Posts: 3,957 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Haven't had a chance to look at it yet. I can test it now if any blademasters are around to help.
  • MizikMizik Member Posts: 2,177 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    edited October 2014
    Sanya feels solid.

    I just jab with a 62/154/237 dagger if I need to Mir. DPS is like a thyr drawslash, except I can tank.
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    Praxides
  • EldEld Member Posts: 3,946 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Shin healthtrans heals .5% of max health, rounded down, per point of shin used. Sanya cuts the cost by 10% as usual, but doesn't allow you to heal more than 50%, e.g., healthtrans 50 heals 25% of max health and costs 45 shin, and so on.
    Mizik
  • SynbiosSynbios Member Posts: 4,630 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    @Sena: Got new numbers for post-classlead blademaster bashing?

  • SenaSena Member Posts: 3,957 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Not yet.
    Synbios
  • PaynePayne Member Posts: 32 ✭✭ - Stalwart
    got the new Tekura Limb damage numbers?
  • SenaSena Member Posts: 3,957 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    I don't really have any limb damage numbers, old or new.
  • KlendathuKlendathu Eye of the StormMember Posts: 3,178 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Payne said:
    got the new Tekura Limb damage numbers?
    12, 4 and 96.

    Tharos, the Announcer of Delos shouts, "It's near the end of the egghunt and I still haven't figured out how to pronounce Clean-dat-hoo."
  • EldEld Member Posts: 3,946 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Klendathu said:
    Payne said:
    got the new Tekura Limb damage numbers?
    12, 4 and 96.
    That's Numberwang!
    RomMazzington
  • KlendathuKlendathu Eye of the StormMember Posts: 3,178 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Eld said:
    Klendathu said:
    Payne said:
    got the new Tekura Limb damage numbers?
    12, 4 and 96.
    That's Numberwang!


    Tharos, the Announcer of Delos shouts, "It's near the end of the egghunt and I still haven't figured out how to pronounce Clean-dat-hoo."
  • SenaSena Member Posts: 3,957 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    While we have Anarchaea with free trans skills, is there anything that needs to be tested?
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