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  • JovoloJovolo EnglandMember Posts: 3,164 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    The "counterpoint" was only really meant to contrast against your point in what we realistically expect of combatants, practically, and the benefits of those - i.e. it is not in an Infernal's best interest to go quick-witted with a diadem and full intelligence stats to try and taint someone to death. 

    I never said Magi absolutely cannot bypass parry, just that the limitations placed upon a Magi in order to attempt to bypass parry outweigh the benefits of selecting these limitations (giving up a major trait slot for something that provides small benefit in working practise). 

    You extrapolated your own subjective interpretations of a comment made to address the irrelevance and obnoxiousness of saying "Every class that can prone can bypass parry, Magi included." Context is everything.

    I still love you, but this is a pointless argument of semantics in saying "No, that's what I thought you meant" and "No, I DIDN'T MEAN THAT." that I just don't want to get involved in.

    <3
  • KuyKuy Member Posts: 1,497 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    edited March 2014
    Jovolo said:
    The "counterpoint" was only really meant to contrast against your point in what we realistically expect of combatants, practically, and the benefits of those - i.e. it is not in an Infernal's best interest to go quick-witted with a diadem and full intelligence stats to try and taint someone to death. 

    I never said Magi absolutely cannot bypass parry, just that the limitations placed upon a Magi in order to attempt to bypass parry outweigh the benefits of selecting these limitations (giving up a major trait slot for something that provides small benefit in working practise). 

    You extrapolated your own subjective interpretations of a comment made to address the irrelevance and obnoxiousness of saying "Every class that can prone can bypass parry, Magi included." Context is everything.

    I still love you, but this is a pointless argument of semantics in saying "No, that's what I thought you meant" and "No, I DIDN'T MEAN THAT." that I just don't want to get involved in.

    <3
    Oh.

    I think you missed something here.  I was commenting on the stuff between Shecks and Mithridates.

    I don't know anything at all about knight combat.  Screw that.  Too much think.

    P.s. Nothing I said was from anything subjective.  I don't do subjective.  I was merely pointing out that when Mithridates said Magi have no means of bypassing parry, he was wrong.  I hope that clears it up.
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  • MithridatesMithridates Member Posts: 1,956 @ - Epic Achaean
    edited March 2014
    EDIT: I'm not even going to try to argue against this silliness. You're overthinking this whole thing, @Kuy. Just because someone CAN do something, doesn't mean it's practical or even worthwhile. Your argument was stupid, at best. 
  • KadenKaden Member Posts: 454 ✭✭✭✭ - Eminent
    edited March 2014
    I will point out that magi don't need to prep both legs to achieve what they want. 

    Edit: Which is why I'm sort of cool about us not really having parry bypass now that we can't transfix off illusion much anymore.
    KuyShecks
  • MithridatesMithridates Member Posts: 1,956 @ - Epic Achaean
    Does anyone even have @Sheck's credentials as a magi?
    BonkoShirszae
  • HasarHasar Member Posts: 795 @ - Epic Achaean
    edited March 2014
    Air staffstrike is 2.1s -2.3s balance for me roughly, no nimble.

  • MithridatesMithridates Member Posts: 1,956 @ - Epic Achaean
    2.13 average. 
  • ShecksShecks Member Posts: 626 ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    I wouldn't really factor in nimble for magi, no magi should be traited for nimble, unless they have the trait swapping artefact.
    "Ignore the boos.  They usually come from the cheap seats."
  • ShecksShecks Member Posts: 626 ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    edited March 2014
    Kaden said:
    I will point out that magi don't need to prep both legs to achieve what they want. 

    Edit: Which is why I'm sort of cool about us not really having parry bypass now that we can't transfix off illusion much anymore.


    This is also a good point.  You don't need a double leg break.  If your opponent static parries one leg, you can always just break the other (and optionally, their head) then drop retardation.  Implying that having a broken head in retardation is not a big deal is silly.
    "Ignore the boos.  They usually come from the cheap seats."
  • CaladbolgCaladbolg Campbell County TNMember Posts: 1,126 ✭✭✭✭✭ - Grand Achaean
    Xith said:
    Best function I brainstormed was a 50% increase to all bleed additions while under the curse's temporary effect.
    If any class gets this I think it should be one I fight with.. alot.. or Blademasters.. why? because that's a brokenstar off a para impale <_<


    Shecks said:
    OP:
    Pinshot - increase duration to more than a few doublestabs worth of time, and/or make it stop evade, like hamstring.

    >_> If you knock the timer down to 9 seconds, and slightly slowed movement speed instead of chance to not leave the room you can have hamstring. also not allowed to work with bows. melee only and doesn't do anything if target is already mounted. oh and if they fly 

    Also unlike Pinshot doesn't have a chance to stop wings

  • XithXith Member Posts: 2,602 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Yeah combining the proposed "haemolacria" 50% bonus bleed with any of the other significant bleed classes would be wicked. No more wicked than combining any two classes but you know.

    I just think it'd be sick flavour. Don't care what the function is.
    Xith's features contort in anguish as tears of blood stream down his cheeks.
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  • CaladbolgCaladbolg Campbell County TNMember Posts: 1,126 ✭✭✭✭✭ - Grand Achaean
    edited March 2014
    Xith said:
    Yeah combining the proposed "haemolacria" 50% bonus bleed with any of the other significant bleed classes would be wicked. No more wicked than combining any two classes but you know.

    I just think it'd be sick flavour. Don't care what the function is.
    Xith's features contort in anguish as tears of blood stream down his cheeks.
    I guess you actually have a point there since about the same setup that would need, a priest could absolve off from normally.

  • ShecksShecks Member Posts: 626 ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    edited March 2014
    Caladbolg said:
    Shecks said:
    OP:
    Pinshot - increase duration to more than a few doublestabs worth of time, and/or make it stop evade, like hamstring.

    >_> If you knock the timer down to 9 seconds, and slightly slowed movement speed instead of chance to not leave the room you can have hamstring. also not allowed to work with bows. melee only and doesn't do anything if target is already mounted. oh and if they fly 

    Also unlike Pinshot doesn't have a chance to stop wings
    All I was trying to say was add hindering evade to Pinshot, similar to hamstring, not make the entire skill like hamstring.
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  • AegothAegoth Member Posts: 2,717 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    edited March 2014
    Skill I'd like to see changed: waterweird. It needs to summon tsunamis on a 10s tick that drown everyone, instantly killing everyone... because it's a tsunami. Then the waterweird laughs and summons ANOTHER tsunami except that it's a SOUL tsunami, and if you haven't prayed yet your character perma dies and you have to roll a new character and re-buy all your credits and artefacts. And then a residual tsunami hits THAT character too, cuz waterweird don't fuck around, and you get knocked back -100 levels that take the same amount of time to gain as 1-100, so now you have to work TWICE as hard to get there, but once you hit lvl 1 the waterweird bitchslaps you and you get IP banned.

    This would make mages and sylvans at the very least just below par with the average combatant. Still needs more buffs, but we can start small
    AlcinaeAchimrstCesarina
  • ShecksShecks Member Posts: 626 ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    Sylvan is one of the top three best classes right now.  Magi is the only class in the game that has retardation.

    Nuff said.
    "Ignore the boos.  They usually come from the cheap seats."
  • JovoloJovolo EnglandMember Posts: 3,164 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    How... is Sylvan...
    Xith
  • ShecksShecks Member Posts: 626 ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    edited March 2014
    Because it's one of a few classes that have a setup that is a guaranteed kill once set up.  I'm not referring to a simple double leg/torso setup, but even that has a pretty massive success rate.  I'm not going to get trolled into another argument about this.  Sylvan is arguably the best defensive class in the game, has invisible affliction curing every 10 seconds, has reflections, and has a limb damage pre-based instant kill that is virtually unstoppable once prepared and played right.  The combination of those two things are worth far more than the sum of its parts, as it gives Sylvan one of the best slow-prep strategies imagineable - shield + rebounding + reflections + panacea + prismatic, allowing it to turtle indefinitely, while inching towards the inevitable heartseed/torso.
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    "Ignore the boos.  They usually come from the cheap seats."
  • JovoloJovolo EnglandMember Posts: 3,164 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Elaborate on this guaranteed kill or you're talking bs.
    Isaiah
  • JacenJacen Member Posts: 2,304 @@ - Legendary Achaean
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  • LilianLilian Member Posts: 370 ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    Jacen said:
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    that's not mending D:
    AchimrstShirszae
  • NimNim Member Posts: 2,015 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Lilian said:
    Jacen said:
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    that's not mending D:
    Or, if it is, you're wasting way too many sips.
    Lilian
  • NimNim Member Posts: 2,015 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Cooper said:
    *applications
    4152h, 3788m, 20237e, 17449w cexkdb-p mending
    The black-walnut vial seems to be extremely heavy, with an extremely thick wall.
    It has 9 months of usefulness left.
    It weighs 4 ounce(s).
    It bears the distinctive mark of Rurin, the Crafter (a denizen).
    A salve of mending sloshes about in it.
    There are 149 sips remaining.

    I checked before posting. D:

    AchimrstShirszaeFeral
  • AchimrstAchimrst NatureMember Posts: 3,608 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Nim said:
    Cooper said:
    *applications
    4152h, 3788m, 20237e, 17449w cexkdb-p mending
    The black-walnut vial seems to be extremely heavy, with an extremely thick wall.
    It has 9 months of usefulness left.
    It weighs 4 ounce(s).
    It bears the distinctive mark of Rurin, the Crafter (a denizen).
    A salve of mending sloshes about in it.
    There are 149 sips remaining.

    I checked before posting. D:

    Win.
  • CooperCooper IowaMember Posts: 5,073 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    It's still applications.

    Nim
  • AraeusAraeus Member Posts: 22 ✭✭ - Stalwart
    Parting should be eliminated and replaced with something else. Araeus has never used parting in his entire life. Once you get waterwalking shoes, it is totally useless.
  • RileyRiley Member Posts: 323 ✭✭✭✭ - Eminent
    Araeus said:
    Parting should be eliminated and replaced with something else. Araeus has never used parting in his entire life. Once you get waterwalking shoes, it is totally useless.
    Planting totems and raising shrines in water rooms
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  • AchimrstAchimrst NatureMember Posts: 3,608 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Riley said:
    Araeus said:
    Parting should be eliminated and replaced with something else. Araeus has never used parting in his entire life. Once you get waterwalking shoes, it is totally useless.
    Planting totems and raising shrines in water rooms
    Although I would never do this, DOWN WITH TOTEMS!

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  • KadenKaden Member Posts: 454 ✭✭✭✭ - Eminent
    Riley said:
    Araeus said:
    Parting should be eliminated and replaced with something else. Araeus has never used parting in his entire life. Once you get waterwalking shoes, it is totally useless.
    Planting totems and raising shrines in water rooms
    Removing flooded rooms in combat so you can beckon people in.
  • KyrraKyrra Sanctum of the SkyMember Posts: 4,838 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    I would kill to have someone in Ashtan that can part water. Everyone with a sceptre is either too busy or doesn't want to watch me totem :(
    (D.M.A.): Cooper says, "Kyrra is either the most innocent person in the world, or the girl who uses the most innuendo seemingly unintentionally but really on purpose."

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