Quick Combat Questions

Antonius

So it's a 6 crown (300 credit) price tag attached to a pretty basic request people had to be able to SLEEP without waking up until they chose to for roleplay reasons. Combat implications still seem to be essentially non-existent.

Tael

Antonius said:

So it's a 6 crown (300 credit) price tag attached to a pretty basic request people had to be able to SLEEP without waking up until they chose to for roleplay reasons. Combat implications still seem to be essentially non-existent.

Unless I'm missing something I feel pretty weird about how that request ended up as an artefact. A lot weirder about it being one this costly.

Seftin

C.R.E.A.M is a pretty good indication to some statements above.

Morthif

Ha I misread @Makarios, knew it sounded fishy!

Aerek

Makarios said:

Re: the poppy. Its worth noting you won't naturally wake from this sleep.

Can you use it on yourself? That definitely makes it worth something, I think, but I feel that a lot of folks want the ability to sleep for themselves more than others. If you can't BLOW POPPY ME, then perhaps SMELL POPPY would be in order when you wanted to take a siesta, yourself.

Dochitha

Morthif said:

Makarios said:

Re: the poppy. Its worth noting you won't naturally wake from this sleep.

INTRIGUED

What does it do really?

Sobriquet

What's the Non-Jhui EQ time on a four limb restore and does confusion still increase EQ time? If so, by how much?

Also, are we still unable to outrift with two broken arms?

Antonius

Four limbs is, I think, 6 or 8 seconds. Confusion still increases equilibrium time; I want to say it's double, but I may be misremembering.

Yes, still unable to outrift with two broken arms.

Cynlael

It's 100% increase, yeah. Always fun to catch people off guard as jester with blackout/cripple/confusion->force restore, for the ~16-18s off bal. Easy jitb.

Dochitha

I think restore off 4 limbs is about 9s EQ. With diadem it is about 7.5s. People with quick-nitted gets to complete that even quicker, so confusion is required against certain classes.

I've been doing that as a Shaman.

Confuse out of room > force salve > cripple > force restore > Blackout > Tzantza. Yes about 18-20s off-EQ, they can't tumble, can't diagnose, won't know what you curse them about as long as the curse is symptomless. It was much better when blackout was 10s, they could still spam plumbum and focus during the blackout. JITB definitely works better in this case.

It'll be fun to throw aeon there for some flavour, even sleep lock inside of aeon or blow that poppy scent (what does it do really?).

Sobriquet

Thanks guys. Used this the other day as something I used to do in the "old days" glad to see it's still viable

Acknu

Dochitha said:

I think restore off 4 limbs is about 9s EQ. With diadem it is about 7.5s. People with quick-nitted gets to complete that even quicker, so confusion is required against certain classes.

I've been doing that as a Shaman.

Confuse out of room > force salve > cripple > force restore > Blackout > Tzantza. Yes about 18-20s off-EQ, they can't tumble, can't diagnose, won't know what you curse them about as long as the curse is symptomless. It was much better when blackout was 10s, they could still spam plumbum and focus during the blackout. JITB definitely works better in this case.

It'll be fun to throw aeon there for some flavour, even sleep lock inside of aeon or blow that poppy scent (what does it do really?).

Woah... New thing to think about.

Dochitha

Acknu said:

Dochitha said:

I think restore off 4 limbs is about 9s EQ. With diadem it is about 7.5s. People with quick-nitted gets to complete that even quicker, so confusion is required against certain classes.

I've been doing that as a Shaman.

Confuse out of room > force salve > cripple > force restore > Blackout > Tzantza. Yes about 18-20s off-EQ, they can't tumble, can't diagnose, won't know what you curse them about as long as the curse is symptomless. It was much better when blackout was 10s, they could still spam plumbum and focus during the blackout. JITB definitely works better in this case.

It'll be fun to throw aeon there for some flavour, even sleep lock inside of aeon or blow that poppy scent (what does it do really?).

Woah... New thing to think about.

Yeah worth a try, if they allow you to get to 50 fashions as a Shaman. Jester could prolly live longer and requires less fashions.

Sobriquet

I used to love forcing sleep in aeon, hitting with voyria and plaugh until they died. Good times

Dochitha

Sobriquet said:

I used to love forcing sleep in aeon, hitting with voyria and plaugh until they died. Good times

Even better now with 3 speedy delph throws.

Jovolo

You have a very fast hourglass built into vodu  and puppetry.. 3 delph axes/daggers is a waste

Antonius

That third delphinium axe is definitely a waste, since it will (usually) wake/sleep rather than stripping kola.

Caladbolg

How does Aspar (Invoke coagulation) work exactly? Does it require a certain amount of bleeding to use and if so how much bleeding?

Acknu

They need to be bleeding (hence you stick haemophilia early and attune Teraile) and it converts the bleeding to an affliction. From my testing it was 200 bleeding but I've seen on the forums that it just need to be 150 bleeding. Also it just reduces the bleed by the amount needed to convert to the affliction and it doesn't consume extra bleeding if they are bleeding over 150-200.

Amranu

I wouldn't know what any of these abilities do. I just mindlessly push one button to win.

Dochitha

Acknu said:

They need to be bleeding (hence you stick haemophilia early and attune Teraile) and it converts the bleeding to an affliction. From my testing it was 200 bleeding but I've seen on the forums that it just need to be 150 bleeding. Also it just reduces the bleed by the amount needed to convert to the affliction and it doesn't consume extra bleeding if they are bleeding over 150-200.

It is 150 bleed. And it should coagulate all the bleeding, otherwise it is too powerful for inflame route. 

Caladbolg

Dochitha said:

Acknu said:

They need to be bleeding (hence you stick haemophilia early and attune Teraile) and it converts the bleeding to an affliction. From my testing it was 200 bleeding but I've seen on the forums that it just need to be 150 bleeding. Also it just reduces the bleed by the amount needed to convert to the affliction and it doesn't consume extra bleeding if they are bleeding over 150-200.

It is 150 bleed. And it should coagulate all the bleeding, otherwise it is too powerful for inflame route. 

Kinda, but with out Shaman having a way to punish someone for clotting (other than soulrend) I don't really see it as a problem personally. but that's me.

Acknu

Dochitha said:

Acknu said:

They need to be bleeding (hence you stick haemophilia early and attune Teraile) and it converts the bleeding to an affliction. From my testing it was 200 bleeding but I've seen on the forums that it just need to be 150 bleeding. Also it just reduces the bleed by the amount needed to convert to the affliction and it doesn't consume extra bleeding if they are bleeding over 150-200.

It is 150 bleed. And it should coagulate all the bleeding, otherwise it is too powerful for inflame route. 

Just tested it out to make sure, it still leaves bleeding. I think I'm getting the 200 from 150 for coagulate plus the natural reduction of bleeding with moss.

Amranu

Inflame kill is not very strong, it's honestly probably the weakest path a Shaman can take. Coagulate not taking all bleeding is a good thing.

Caladbolg

Amranu said:

Inflame kill is not very strong, it's honestly probably the weakest path a Shaman can take. Coagulate not taking all bleeding is a good thing.

In theory Coagulate while say fighting with a blademaster could be overpowered in that sense.

In the other sense could just vodun bleed like 3 times and let the bm get a kill.

Amranu

Don't need vodun bleed, sticking haemophilia and about 4 or 5 curse bleeds should be more than enough.

Caladbolg

Daeir said:

Soulscourging a vodun bleed on the last tick of a bloodlet is like 5000+ fire damage from an inflame, if I recall right, or you can let them clot it away to give you max soulrending fashions if it doesn't kill them.

Isn't Inflame 10x bleeding? So like if your bleeding 500 it does 5k damage?


Cool skill imo, but could really be on a percent based deal instead of pure damage or pure damage + a percentage unless im mistaken on how it works.

Then again I like to run around with 4kish health for pvp. and 400 bleed vs 600 bleed is a huge difference for instant deaths.

Aerek

Inflame should be 6x bleed in fire damage. It's pretty brutal for me with 4900 health, if I'm sipping mana and let some damage build up on me, then even small spike of bleeding into Inflame+Throttle can finish it pretty quick. I can imagine that tactic probably hits a ceiling against artefacted or CON-spec'ed opponents, though, especially once mana regen/sip rings/Robes of the Magi come in.

Lothien

Which classes can make the most of quick-witted/diadem/intelligence besides sylvan? Just magi? Wondering if I should even care about multiclass given my race/traits/stats and just get a sash and collar instead of saving for a new class if/when multiclass comes.

Arditi

Lothien said:

Which classes can make the most of quick-witted/diadem/intelligence besides sylvan? Just magi? Wondering if I should even care about multiclass given my race/traits/stats and just get a sash and collar instead of saving for a new class if/when multiclass comes.

Monk.