Quick Combat Questions

Niraaeth

Don't think there's a way.

Florentino

Can't start it while asleep. Or stunned. Or dead.

Hasar

You can force a direction they aren't tumbling in as well.

Terra

Hasar said:

You can force a direction they aren't tumbling in as well.

Not if they're prone.

Terra

Kuy said:

Right, right.  How do you prevent it from beginning in the first place?

Them being off balance or equilibrium (disruption, for example) is really the only way. A door in the way they are trying to tumble will stop the tumble if it's shut when the tumble would complete.

Iocun

Terra said:

Hasar said:

You can force a direction they aren't tumbling in as well.

Not if they're prone.

For a while, I actually had a "dive" in my tumble alias, since deliberately proning myself (alongside tumble illusions) made many people who tried to stop my tumbling use a wrong direction and thus fail. Removed it again out though, since it also harmed me in quite a few situations.

Jhui

am I missing something? since when did prone stop stopping tumble by forcing a direction?

edit: nevermind, you meant going the wrong direction when tumbling in another

Dunn

You sit yourself down.

3681h, 5190m, 21200e, 25428w cexkdb-(P)m (-4m)

You order your mind to ensure you will not journey far into the dreamworld.

3681h, 5190m, 21200e, 25440w cexkdb-(P)m

You begin to tumble agilely to the west.

[Nutmeg]: TUMBLING west

[Nutmeg]: TUMBLING west

[Nutmeg]: TUMBLING west

3681h, 5190m, 21200e, 25440w cekdb-(P)m

You cease your tumbling.

You must be standing first.

Xer

No, what Terra means is that if you're prone, and if you tumble in a direction, say east, then if Silas forced you to move in the direction "north", then the tumble still goes through. If Silas forced east however, then the tumble would have been stopped. I had a 'sit; tumble <dir>' alias that saved me once from a Targ gank because someone forced a direction other than my tumble.

If you're not prone, then forcing any direction will stop a tumble (maybe with respect to room exits? I don't really remember that part. I'm pretty sure it does). So if I were unprone in the above situation, Silas would have stopped my tumble.

Dunn

?

You already have metawake turned on.

3681h, 5883m, 21200e, 25073w cexkdb-m

You begin to tumble agilely to the west.

[Nutmeg]: TUMBLING west

[Nutmeg]: TUMBLING west

[Nutmeg]: TUMBLING west

3681h, 5883m, 21200e, 25073w cekdb-m

There is no exit in that direction.

3681h, 5879m, 21200e, 25084w cekdb-m (-4m)

You cease your tumbling.

You sit yourself down.

3681h, 4988m, 21200e, 25108w cexkdb-(P)m (-146m)

You already have metawake turned on.

3681h, 4988m, 21200e, 25120w cexkdb-(P)m

You begin to tumble agilely to the west.

[Nutmeg]: TUMBLING west

[Nutmeg]: TUMBLING west

[Nutmeg]: TUMBLING west

3681h, 4988m, 21200e, 25120w cekdb-(P)m

There is no exit in that direction.

3681h, 5063m, 21200e, 25120w cekdb-(P)m (+75m)

You cease your tumbling.

You must be standing first.

Unproned. I tried the wrong direction on both and it didn't cancel it. Still not seeing your point? Unless it has to be a direction in the room. That's weird, though. Why don't people just capture the room name off the third person tumble and force that? Easy!

Jhui

iocun illusions tumble, so it helps him if they capture the wrong one and force that one.  Otherwise should work.

Dunn

Illusion tumble is so obnoxious. Just capture the first tumble pattern and ignore until you force it. Unless he really wants to waste that 1 second illusioning a fake tumble during a monk execution, though...

Iocun

Taking that one second can sometimes save ones life. The illusioning is only an additional help though. Many people would force the wrong direction even without it.

Nobody said that it's a trick that can't be very easily worked against, but due to most people being oblivious of the fact that this might even be an issue, it can be very well successful.

Tharvis

Niraaeth said:

Is it illegal to illusion target calling on party?

think it is, recall somebody getting called out for it before

Sena

Tharvis said:

Niraaeth said:

Is it illegal to illusion target calling on party?

think it is, recall somebody getting called out for it before

It was initially ruled illegal, but later Cardan said that the reasoning for that (target calling being OOC) was wrong/invalid, so it's still not clear one way or the other but I'd lean towards it being legal (which makes a whole lot more sense anyways).

Nemutaur

Dunn said:

Illusion tumble is so obnoxious. Just capture the first tumble pattern and ignore until you force it. Unless he really wants to waste that 1 second illusioning a fake tumble during a monk execution, though...

And that's when you use gmcp to just use a valid room dir. I think it just has to be a valid exit from the room and not the actual direction the person is tumbling in to stop the tumble.

Sena

Nemutaur said:

I think it just has to be a valid exit from the room and not the actual direction the person is tumbling in to stop the tumble.

If they're prone, it does have to be the actual direction they're tumbling in, not just any valid direction.

You see exits leading north, northeast, east, southeast, south, southwest, and in (closed door).
4220h, 3586m, 19534e, 15200w ex-[05:18:18]sit
You sit yourself down.
4220h, 3586m, 19544e, 15200w ex-[05:18:19]tumble e
You begin to tumble agilely to the east.
4220h, 3586m, 19544e, 15200w e-[05:18:22]s
You must be standing first.
4220h, 3586m, 19544e, 15200w e-[05:18:23]e
You cease your tumbling.
You must be standing first.
4220h, 3586m, 19554e, 15200w e-[05:18:23]

Nemutaur

Sena said:

Nemutaur said:

I think it just has to be a valid exit from the room and not the actual direction the person is tumbling in to stop the tumble.

If they're prone, it does have to be the actual direction they're tumbling in, not just any valid direction.

...

Aha thanks, looks like I might need to rework a few things.

Caladbolg

When fighting an occultist I'll randomly go off equib for about 4 seconds. I always thought I was just lagging from the massive amount of ents attacking me. but after looking at logs it looks like I get knocked off equib for 4 seconds then usually get whispering madness. 

So basically my question is. What does an occultist have that is knocking me off equib for four seconds, How do I prevent it.

If it's an ent should I spam orb it?

if it's them is it so many afflictions on a person that allows them to do it? I've been dormant since the class got reworked.

Kafziel

Log or there's no way I know what you're talking about.

Orb won't work with golgotha.

Jhui

did stupidity make you do something to take eq?  otherwise, we don't have anything that does that

Caladbolg

Jhui said:

did stupidity make you do something to take eq?  otherwise, we don't have anything that does that

Not that I could see. But this also happened when I was fighting Jinsun. Again, thought it was lag.

It was actually 3.56 or so and I didn't have confusion.   and my logs cut off after the Shasstan incident for some reason. Guess i'll reask my question when I can find a log.

Iocun

Might be something silly like your curing system spamming diag/restore/whatever.

Caladbolg

After fighting Jinsun again I think it acctually has been Stupidity the whole time. which makes me feel.. stupid!

Niraaeth

Anyone have ideas on abilities that take hilarious long balance? I could only come up with mind radiance and perhaps summoning harmonics, though I'm not sure of the later.

Achilles

Sketching a raido is 10 seconds.

Sena

Ether disrupt and imbuing all four robe slots as an alchemist both take 10 seconds eq.

Melodie

Simultaneity (priests and magi) take a crappton of equilibrium.

Bloody channels.

Atalkez

Playing POES/AETERNAM Harmonics take ridiculously long time. It is so long, SVO thinks there is something wrong -every- time I do it and starts spamming concentrate. 

So annoying.

Edit: Posting at 7am....yeah

Cynlael

PP command works wonders.




Not using SVO does too. Hue.