Quick Combat Questions

Omor

Leg arm, two breaks, and yes, iirc. Sadly no log to double check.

Jovolo

Hard to help you without you being able to tell us what actually happened. He broke your leg with delph/delph and then your arm with epseth/epteth? You should've been able to restore on the arm break and saved yourself from vivisect. 

If he broke a third limb after you restored, it means you applied restoration while off equilibrium from restore. That's how Infernals kill you. You have to set your limb breaks/mangled limbs to priority 26 to not cure them and then set them back to whichever priority you want them once you regain equilibrium. 

Omor

I asked a buddy of mine, and told him all the details I could remember. We think it was because I didn't have metawake up, so I was asleep when he broke them... I fucked up.

Jovolo

You shouldn't need metawake as long as you have Kola up, maybe you had it stripped and didn't redef it. Even so, If he uses delphinium/delphinium to knock you asleep on the leg break and you didn't have Kola up, he'll wake you up with the second DSL to your arm and you can apply mending to your arms and then restoration to your leg. It was most likely an issue with your priorities. 

Exelethril

If you're on svof - look up "maybevivi", uncomment and turn on the "maybevivi" option under Restore settings("vconfig2"). Then, create a toggle that ignores mangled limbs when you're off EQ balance, so you will only apply mending after using "Restore".

Omor

I'll give that a try Exelethril, thanks!

Antonius

I've done a fair amount of testing of disembowel damage today. I'm not finished yet, need to wait until tomorrow for my grimoire to be available again to drop the strength trait as Paladin (not yet willing to commit 1000 credits just to make testing things like this a bit less of a hassle), but I'm confident in saying that my previous numbers (linked in my signature) are still pretty accurate; the numbers I'm getting today result in slightly lower percentages than previously posted, but the steps in between points of strength seem roughly consistent with previous testing.

Lagua increases the damage of disembowel when the target has mildtrauma (that's a single restoration cure) by 10%, and as a result shifts the point at which disembowel kills outright down to 20 strength (from 22).

Jovolo said:

How much damage is a torso break disembowel with 20 strength supposed to do nowadays? I've tried with 2 different people and it's dealt 84% damage every time I tested it on them. Is that correct? I thought it was supposed to be higher.

Just to confirm: 20 strength should be ~93% if you're a non-Runewarden disembowelling somebody without a resist all defence. 84% sounds about right for a non-Runewarden with 20 strength disembowelling somebody with a 10% resist all.

Exelethril

Antonius said:

I've done a fair amount of testing of disembowel damage today. I'm not finished yet, need to wait until tomorrow for my grimoire to be available again to drop the strength trait as Paladin (not yet willing to commit 1000 credits just to make testing things like this a bit less of a hassle), but I'm confident in saying that my previous numbers (linked in my signature) are still pretty accurate; the numbers I'm getting today result in slightly lower percentages than previously posted, but the steps in between points of strength seem roughly consistent with previous testing.

Lagua increases the damage of disembowel when the target has mildtrauma (that's a single restoration cure) by 10%, and as a result shifts the point at which disembowel kills outright down to 20 strength (from 22).

Jovolo said:

How much damage is a torso break disembowel with 20 strength supposed to do nowadays? I've tried with 2 different people and it's dealt 84% damage every time I tested it on them. Is that correct? I thought it was supposed to be higher.

Just to confirm: 20 strength should be ~93% if you're a non-Runewarden disembowelling somebody without a resist all defence. 84% sounds about right for a non-Runewarden with 20 strength disembowelling somebody with a 10% resist all.

Pretty sure I DSB'd some dragons/runewardens and a fcking tanky priest with 20 STR and they didn't die. Would going for a 22 STR Lagua dsb change that?

Carbine

Anyone know how you get out of the inferno?>

Carbine

Inferno

Dunn

Out, iirc. 

Aesh

What is a focus lock? The term confuses me. Is it where you keep your opponent using focus constantly or is it more like an affliction lock where they can't cure impatience?

Atalkez

It's where you have them locked, without impatience, and you stack focus afflictions so that they are continually focusing but not curing out.

The hope is that the focus RNG fails them and they focus away other stuff (dizziness, dementia etc) instead of anorexia.

Dunn

Slike gecko asthma + a focusable affliction. They have to FOCUS to attempt to cure slike, but if they focus the focusable affliction (dizzy, for example) then they are still locked. If they keep layering on focusable afflictions, they need to keep focusing. It's an RNG lock that you can attempt to cure out of on focus balance. 

Add vernalius to the original affliction list if they have fitness. I tend to throw in a paralyse to stop tree. 

Jovolo

I wonder what you'd call Hellsight + Gecko + Monkshood over a kelp stack nowadays. Pipelock is already used to describe having an empty valerian pipe... smoke lock? That sounds so bad. 

Dunn

Generally fucked/needing to run. Or just eat bloodroot. Add para to that for something terrifying. 

Antonius

There's nothing preventing them from curing so it's not really any kind of lock. You wouldn't call impale + broken torso + broken legs a leg lock (lol), even though that's a similar level of about to get fucked up.

Xaden

Antonius said:

There's nothing preventing them from curing so it's not really any kind of lock. You wouldn't call impale + broken torso + broken legs a leg lock (lol), even though that's a similar level of about to get fucked up.

Can we? Please? Cos that would be awesome!

Jovolo

Antonius said:

There's nothing preventing them from curing so it's not really any kind of lock. You wouldn't call impale + broken torso + broken legs a leg lock (lol), even though that's a similar level of about to get fucked up.

Yeah, you're right. Lock is the wrong terminology, I guess it's more of a stack. Smoke stack? Lol. I was thinking in terms of sticking slickness to lead into a regular focus or true lock, or hellsight to lead into Damnation. Slippery slope to needless complexity, I love it.

Borran

If that's the case,  shouldn't a focus lock be called a focus stack?

Armali

No, because a focus lock actively blocks the three primary cure balances. That's what a lock is commonly held to be, with the descriptor describing how that was achieved or its nature.

A stack describes a bunch of afflictions of the same sort. A focus lock would require and may contain/be a focus stack, but the converse is not true - a focus stack is not a focus lock.

'Salve' lock - sticking the lock affs by abusing restoration balances.
'Focus' lock - sticking the lock affs with a focus stack to RNG anorexia curing.
'Rift' lock - sticking the locks affs by delaying cure via blocking access to the rift
'True' lock - block EVERYTHING

etc.

Dunn

I would consider gating all other cures through a single balance to be a form of lock. See: softlock forcing a tree/focus in order to cure anything else and focuslock as above. 

Kasa

Dunn said:

I would consider gating all other cures through a single balance to be a form of lock. See: softlock forcing a tree/focus in order to cure anything else and focuslock as above. 

A soft-lock blocks all three primary cures (herb, pipe, salve) though. 

Atalkez

That was his point.

The softlock gates everything through tree or focus RNG.

Dunn

Yes and you are forced to focus or tree before you can do any of the others. Gated

Kasa

I apologize, my point was not succinct in my post: I am unsure if I consider gating to be a lock, but then again, I call a rift-lock a lock, so clearly I'm wrong. YOU WIN DUNN.

Dunn

Wanna arm wrestle

Cooper

Who doesn't paralyse after getting the lock??

Szanthax

Cooper said:

Who doesn't paralyse after getting the lock??

I'm right here, guy

Carbine

Dunn said:

Out, iirc. 

Cheers. I was off chops and I'd never been there before ha!