I'm running out of ways to tell you that no group of people engaged in a fight, or recently engaged in a fight, or about to engage in a fight has been zapped by Sartan.
30 minutes removed =/= active combat. It was just a gathering of people.
I'm running out of ways to tell you that no group of people engaged in a fight, or recently engaged in a fight, or about to engage in a fight has been zapped by Sartan.
30 minutes removed =/= active combat. It was just a gathering of people.
Sorry Reyson, I don't think that's even the slightest bit relevant. Eleusians were zapped. No Mhaldorians were zapped.
I am of two minds about the effects of a TDF as punishment, really.
I mean, losing the skills, that really sucks. It sucks bad, and it cripples a lot of classes who rely on their capstones. Getting hit with that for 5 days can definitely trigger a "well, fuck this, I'm just gonna wait it out" reaction, and I can't really blame the player for that.
On the other hand, though, without that skill loss who would really give a shit about a TDF? It's nothing but a slight numbers modification, which is a pretty shit punishment. If you're heavily artifacted, you can eat it and still be stronger than most of the game. If all you care about is PvE it's not going to affect you notably, especially if you're a dragon. And if you care about PvP it's still not a HUGE difference.
Without the skill penalty there's basically nothing there that makes it into a deterrent or a real punishment. If the skill penalty goes then something has to replace it.
Yeah we literally were being attacked several times a day by overpowered npcs in our own city like a RL month ago. Some of these were wiping out grouped up dragons. Did you see a rant thread?
Yeah we literally were being attacked several times a day by overpowered npcs in our own city like a RL month ago. Some of these were wiping out grouped up dragons. Did you see a rant thread?
I saw no rants, no. Get your shit together and give me more salt, Kiet!
He is a coward who has to bring two friends as backup to jump people hunting.
I'm running out of ways to tell you that no group of people engaged in a fight, or recently engaged in a fight, or about to engage in a fight has been zapped by Sartan.
30 minutes removed =/= active combat. It was just a gathering of people.
Sorry Reyson, I don't think that's even the slightest bit relevant. Eleusians were zapped. No Mhaldorians were zapped.
So a losing team should be able to mouth off and provoke Gods without suffering consequences? How about, say, the first time it happens, people go, 'Gee, huh. Maybe I shouldn't piss Sartan off'?
It's never been unprovoked. If a kid pulls a cat's tail and gets bitten, are you the kind of person that blames the kid, or the cat?
Just sayin' - us villagers have not been informed of a cease fire or negotiations. Only what I've seen on here. Which means IC that as far as we are concerned we are to continue defending and if possible, raiding. Seems a bit dumb to say this here, but that's one less thing you can all stop griping about. We continue to raid and defend because we haven't been told otherwise.
It really sounds like the main issue in this whole war is Eleusian leadership's complete inability to communicate, not just publicly, but also within their own faction.
A few city news-posts over the past two weeks and I think this would be over by now.
He is a coward who has to bring two friends as backup to jump people hunting.
Much of the commentary in this thread has been fairly toxic. Many of those currently embroiled in the conflict would be expected to have difficulty maintaining objectivity. My comments have come from a position of detached indifference to everything except the health of our game.
I think Anaria hit the nail on the head with her comments ...
You should really appreciate Lord Sartan ooc'ly. He is one the very few who is doing his job, and that volunteer arguably has one of the hardest Divine roles.
Its rough to be in a conflict where the other side has a super heavy weight in their corner, who isn't afraid to throw his weight around, when your side has nothing to match it. It's not your fault (or Lord Sartan's) but I do think its a tad unfair.
I like the part where you just completely ignore how you were taking straight up misinformed snipes at the side you think is the antagonist here, less than twenty-four hours ago, like you don't have a hand in this state of affairs.
I like the part where you just completely ignore how you were taking straight up misinformed snipes at the side you think is the antagonist here, less than twenty-four hours ago, like you don't have a hand in this state of affairs.
1. I didn't really need an instant illustration of this thread's toxicity. 2. I haven't been sniping at anyone.
You're constantly misrepresenting things- that's a fact, not a snipe. You made three or four posts throwing shade about a situation that you were, quite simply put, wrong about. You kept insisting Sartan was just randomly slaying Eleusians, like they didn't provoke him into doing it, and then you just deleted your post when you realised you were wrong, instead of fessing up to being wrong.
We are closely watching this thread and making edits as necessary. It's fine to discuss the situation, or even to discuss the IC roles and interactions, but please don't cross the line and cast aspersions on the volunteers behind the Gods. Should you have a problem with how a role is being played or with a particular action, feel free to reach out directly to Nicola or Makarios. Thanks!
I may be in the minority here, and I feel like I might get flamed a bit for my opinion on this - however, I do think it is necessary to voice.
I don't think our gods should be above CONSTRUCTIVE criticism. I'll preface this by saying that I didn't previously read the comments you edited, so maybe they were all just insulting non-constructive rants at Sartan. However, assuming that was not was these comments were, I think it is important for the community to be able to publicly voice unhappiness with the actions of volunteers.
I understand that our gods are volunteering their time for the betterment of the game, and obviously are not under any commitments to continue their time here. However, I don't think they should be beyond public (constructive) criticism just because of this. If a god does something people dislike, people should be allowed to voice that discontent in a public forum, and not have it constrained solely to private communication between the administration and the player, where the administration is not necessarily held accountable for those actions.
I don't want this to imply that I don't have faith in our admins to not act purely in the interests of their staff and volunteers. However, just because I don't think it would happen, doesn't mean that I believe that the player base should have the right to express their complaints in public. Additionally, I want to state again for the record that I mean this is meant only in regards to constructive criticism. If someone is not doing this, I'm fully in support of editing their comments out.
I am calling your bluff... i bet you your character that you or no body else would try to call out makarios or nicola like that. The only reason this entire thread got brought up was to try and get a punishment reversed. Bottomline is it wouldnt of happened if the initiating party would of just kept in his mortal lane. No benefit of enemying a divine..... one what so ever besides the attempt to get there attention and he did and now starts up cryfest 2017 over it.
Again you all have it easy! I work for the guy and am scared everytime i report to him that i am gonna get zurged or punished for not doing enough (i love it, keeps me on my toes), and you think your gonna get away with outright disrespect.... i spit at your mindsets..
We are closely watching this thread and making edits as necessary. It's fine to discuss the situation, or even to discuss the IC roles and interactions, but please don't cross the line and cast aspersions on the volunteers behind the Gods. Should you have a problem with how a role is being played or with a particular action, feel free to reach out directly to Nicola or Makarios. Thanks!
I may be in the minority here, and I feel like I might get flamed a bit for my opinion on this - however, I do think it is necessary to voice.
I don't think our gods should be above CONSTRUCTIVE criticism. I'll preface this by saying that I didn't previously read the comments you edited, so maybe they were all just insulting non-constructive rants at Sartan. However, assuming that was not was these comments were, I think it is important for the community to be able to publicly voice unhappiness with the actions of volunteers.
I understand that our gods are volunteering their time for the betterment of the game, and obviously are not under any commitments to continue their time here. However, I don't think they should be beyond public (constructive) criticism just because of this. If a god does something people dislike, people should be allowed to voice that discontent in a public forum, and not have it constrained solely to private communication between the administration and the player, where the administration is not necessarily held accountable for those actions.
I don't want this to imply that I don't have faith in our admins to not act purely in the interests of their staff and volunteers. However, just because I don't think it would happen, doesn't mean that I believe that the player base should have the right to express their complaints in public. Additionally, I want to state again for the record that I mean this is meant only in regards to constructive criticism. If someone is not doing this, I'm fully in support of editing their comments out.
I am calling your bluff... i bet you your character that you or no body else would try to call out makarios or nicola like that. The only reason this entire thread got brought up was to try and get a punishment reversed. Bottomline is it wouldnt of happened if the initiating party would of just kept in his mortal lane. No benefit of enemying a divine..... one what so ever besides the attempt to get there attention and he did and now starts up cryfest 2017 over it.
Again you all have it easy! I work for the guy and am scared everytime i report to him that i am gonna get zurged or punished for not doing enough (i love it, keeps me on my toes), and you think your gonna get away with outright disrespect.... i spit at your mindsets..
Much of the commentary in this thread has been fairly toxic. Many of those currently embroiled in the conflict would be expected to have difficulty maintaining objectivity. My comments have come from a position of detached indifference to everything except the health of our game.
Its not just the people embroiled in the conflict who have told you that you are for the most part wrong in all your opinions.
And you won't understand the cause of your grief...
Spamming, in the context of Achaea, includes repetition, advertising, and flooding:
1) REPETITION: repeatedly sending, transmitting, or communicating in any way. This may be repeated yells, shouts, says, or use of market, clan, city, order, house, or any other private, group, or public channels of communication.
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I spend a lot of my time in Achaea on mobile devices when I'm out and about. There is no gagging, what we're subjected to with extermination messages is essentially the above. It's not a combat instigation mechanic in such swathes, we've already established that the forests will heal themselves untended. Essentially it's just spamming a portion of the populace.
Raiding, crusades, shrine defilement and guard bashing exists for your combat pleasure.
All right, I am going to speak from a player's point of view and not Ailea's. I have played on both sides of the battlefield so to speak. Each of being the exterminator and the defender of exterminations. Furthermore, being on the winning side and the loosing side.
Becoming a forest enemy is probably one of the most irritating mechanics that exists in Achaea. You are literally dealing with the concept that you -are- an enemy to the forest which not only may attack you defensively, but that you may be attacked for standing within even for non-aggressive reasons.
It is true that the whole system of extermination is a little much, really there are two things that factor into this, whether or not a forest room has been protective (grove wise) or the exterminator has enough essence to perform the ability.
Both of these systems, probably should be reworked into a more fluid system for conflicts; however, it would remain to be seen.
As far as directly calling out the Lord of Evil in shouts and essentially being disrespectful. Yes, a five day TDF sounds harsh; however, one DID call out and -publicly- disrespected the God of Evil. You know, that doesn't sound very intelligent. Each of our actions have consequences, I mean I highly doubt @Sartan would give a high-five or wave something of that Nature off. His ideology is built on strength, cruelty, and advancement. It also factors in what happens should the "Weak" ever blatantly stand up or revolt against those who are "strong".
We really do not give those enough credit who put in endless hours behind the scenes or make the game run. Is everyone going to be happy? Probably not. But it is not like you don't have resolutions or factors that you can take into account without dragging every damn thing to forums and post about it.
If it is really eating at you that much, just log out. Go outside, pet a cat, drink tea. Read a book, whatever. Do something that takes your mind off of it. This is a -game-. It has also been mentioned about 500 times to send an email and to issue if need be. Keep in mind though, there probably are in character resolutions to this particular situation.
Spamming, in the context of Achaea, includes repetition, advertising, and flooding:
1) REPETITION: repeatedly sending, transmitting, or communicating in any way. This may be repeated yells, shouts, says, or use of market, clan, city, order, house, or any other private, group, or public channels of communication.
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I spend a lot of my time in Achaea on mobile devices when I'm out and about. There is no gagging, what we're subjected to with extermination messages is essentially the above. It's not a combat instigation mechanic in such swathes, we've already established that the forests will heal themselves untended. Essentially it's just spamming a portion of the populace.
Raiding, crusades, shrine defilement and guard bashing exists for your combat pleasure.
The problem is admins have to manually remove the forestsense thing afaik? I had it for a while in Mhaldor but then it was gone, but that was when Gaia/Artemis were both active. There should be a way to just turn off forestsense, especially if you're not even Eleusian anymore.
If I could estimate the total percentage of the Eleusian population who thinks anything done by Eleusis in the past 100 years is a good idea, it'd be about 5%. Coincidentally, those 5% are the ones who made the decisions that led you to where you are.
I won't get into debating the validity of anything done but I will say that there seems to be a massive disconnect between what the majority of the Eleusian playerbase wants, and what it's getting. Now, most of you aren't involved in the leadership, and for that reason you feel you have earned the title of a victim. It's either your leadership's fault, or Mhaldor's fault. I feel, personally, that you are to blame.
You have allowed the dregs of Achaean society to take over what was once one of the most alluring cities in the game. I mean no disrespect to any single Eleusian leader but I can say with easy confidence that the collective result of your combined efforts is absolute dog shit. I'm no fan of Mhaldor, but I respect most Mhaldorians. I know what you say they do, and I know what they do, and it's no coincidence that you only hear these complaints from Eleusis. Why doesn't Mhaldor complain about Targossian strong-arm tactics, or our midnight 500 man raids, or Ashtan (pre-Jhui exodus)? Well, quite simply, it's because they don't happen. Or at least they are few and far between, and are certainly not the norm.
As Benjamin Franklin once said, "[We've given you] A republic, if you can keep it."
All of this nonsense aside I believe it is time for you, the working class of Eleusis, to rise up and take your city back.
Sartans interference wasn't even that bad, he wiped them out when we weren't fighting and its not like we charged into the field to take advantage of all their deaths. We decided we wanted to raid Eleusis, regather our forces, sent our serpent in and by the time we entered Eleusis they were all back up.
That I call bullshit on. When our entire defense party was wiped out I didn't embrace immediately Your group stormed defendable then proceeded to gank any and everyone in eleusis, when we stopped fighting and moved to get out of area so you wouldn't get more kills for tank you all chased and killed us everywhere just so you could get your rocks off and try to bully us back in to die more. So before you spout ignorant comments to try to boost how you are so 'justified' make sure that you are actually correct in what you say. To be honest this is literally taking any fun out of the game. There was no ic reprocussions to any of Mhaldor's side but it is perfectly acceptable for you all to continually kill our novices. I am looking at you @Llesvelt. You can't use the old saying they shouldn't be in a forest. You guys need to set clear lines IC to not mess with newbies just because easy kill.
Sartans interference wasn't even that bad, he wiped them out when we weren't fighting and its not like we charged into the field to take advantage of all their deaths. We decided we wanted to raid Eleusis, regather our forces, sent our serpent in and by the time we entered Eleusis they were all back up.
That I call bullshit on. When our entire defense party was wiped out I didn't embrace immediately Your group stormed defendable then proceeded to gank any and everyone in eleusis, when we stopped fighting and moved to get out of area so you wouldn't get more kills for tank you all chased and killed us everywhere just so you could get your rocks off and try to bully us back in to die more. So before you spout ignorant comments to try to boost how you are so 'justified' make sure that you are actually correct in what you say. To be honest this is literally taking any fun out of the game. There was no ic reprocussions to any of Mhaldor's side but it is perfectly acceptable for you all to continually kill our novices. I am looking at you @Llesvelt. You can't use the old saying they shouldn't be in a forest. You guys need to set clear lines IC to not mess with newbies just because easy kill.
Llesvelt made a public apology... monetary payment to the novice and was punished by our city leadership... for his ACCIDENT that happened once.. quit your crying and attempts to elevate a normal scenario or situation.
You specifically out of almost everyone in your faction has lost all respect as a human being for your mindset actions and conduct through these events. Anyone who considers listening to anything you have to say about... well anything automatically gets put in the "your garbage" category of life.
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30 minutes removed =/= active combat. It was just a gathering of people.
I mean, losing the skills, that really sucks. It sucks bad, and it cripples a lot of classes who rely on their capstones. Getting hit with that for 5 days can definitely trigger a "well, fuck this, I'm just gonna wait it out" reaction, and I can't really blame the player for that.
On the other hand, though, without that skill loss who would really give a shit about a TDF? It's nothing but a slight numbers modification, which is a pretty shit punishment. If you're heavily artifacted, you can eat it and still be stronger than most of the game. If all you care about is PvE it's not going to affect you notably, especially if you're a dragon. And if you care about PvP it's still not a HUGE difference.
Without the skill penalty there's basically nothing there that makes it into a deterrent or a real punishment. If the skill penalty goes then something has to replace it.
It's never been unprovoked. If a kid pulls a cat's tail and gets bitten, are you the kind of person that blames the kid, or the cat?
A few city news-posts over the past two weeks and I think this would be over by now.
I think Anaria hit the nail on the head with her comments ...
2. I haven't been sniping at anyone.
You're constantly misrepresenting things- that's a fact, not a snipe. You made three or four posts throwing shade about a situation that you were, quite simply put, wrong about. You kept insisting Sartan was just randomly slaying Eleusians, like they didn't provoke him into doing it, and then you just deleted your post when you realised you were wrong, instead of fessing up to being wrong.
Bottomline is it wouldnt of happened if the initiating party would of just kept in his mortal lane. No benefit of enemying a divine..... one what so ever besides the attempt to get there attention and he did and now starts up cryfest 2017 over it.
Again you all have it easy! I work for the guy and am scared everytime i report to him that i am gonna get zurged or punished for not doing enough (i love it, keeps me on my toes), and you think your gonna get away with outright disrespect.... i spit at your mindsets..
And you won't understand the cause of your grief...
...But you'll always follow the voices beneath.
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Spamming, in the context of Achaea, includes repetition, advertising, and flooding:
1) REPETITION: repeatedly sending, transmitting, or communicating in any way. This may be repeated yells, shouts, says, or use of market, clan, city, order, house, or any other private, group, or public channels of communication.
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I spend a lot of my time in Achaea on mobile devices when I'm out and about. There is no gagging, what we're subjected to with extermination messages is essentially the above. It's not a combat instigation mechanic in such swathes, we've already established that the forests will heal themselves untended. Essentially it's just spamming a portion of the populace.
Raiding, crusades, shrine defilement and guard bashing exists for your combat pleasure.
Becoming a forest enemy is probably one of the most irritating mechanics that exists in Achaea. You are literally dealing with the concept that you -are- an enemy to the forest which not only may attack you defensively, but that you may be attacked for standing within even for non-aggressive reasons.
It is true that the whole system of extermination is a little much, really there are two things that factor into this, whether or not a forest room has been protective (grove wise) or the exterminator has enough essence to perform the ability.
Both of these systems, probably should be reworked into a more fluid system for conflicts; however, it would remain to be seen.
As far as directly calling out the Lord of Evil in shouts and essentially being disrespectful. Yes, a five day TDF sounds harsh; however, one DID call out and -publicly- disrespected the God of Evil. You know, that doesn't sound very intelligent. Each of our actions have consequences, I mean I highly doubt @Sartan would give a high-five or wave something of that Nature off. His ideology is built on strength, cruelty, and advancement. It also factors in what happens should the "Weak" ever blatantly stand up or revolt against those who are "strong".
We really do not give those enough credit who put in endless hours behind the scenes or make the game run. Is everyone going to be happy? Probably not. But it is not like you don't have resolutions or factors that you can take into account without dragging every damn thing to forums and post about it.
If it is really eating at you that much, just log out. Go outside, pet a cat, drink tea. Read a book, whatever. Do something that takes your mind off of it. This is a -game-. It has also been mentioned about 500 times to send an email and to issue if need be. Keep in mind though, there probably are in character resolutions to this particular situation.
Relax, enjoy. Go have some tea.
"Why is it that whenever someone says 'with all due respect', they really mean 'kiss my ass'?"
I won't get into debating the validity of anything done but I will say that there seems to be a massive disconnect between what the majority of the Eleusian playerbase wants, and what it's getting. Now, most of you aren't involved in the leadership, and for that reason you feel you have earned the title of a victim. It's either your leadership's fault, or Mhaldor's fault. I feel, personally, that you are to blame.
You have allowed the dregs of Achaean society to take over what was once one of the most alluring cities in the game. I mean no disrespect to any single Eleusian leader but I can say with easy confidence that the collective result of your combined efforts is absolute dog shit. I'm no fan of Mhaldor, but I respect most Mhaldorians. I know what you say they do, and I know what they do, and it's no coincidence that you only hear these complaints from Eleusis. Why doesn't Mhaldor complain about Targossian strong-arm tactics, or our midnight 500 man raids, or Ashtan (pre-Jhui exodus)? Well, quite simply, it's because they don't happen. Or at least they are few and far between, and are certainly not the norm.
As Benjamin Franklin once said, "[We've given you] A republic, if you can keep it."
All of this nonsense aside I believe it is time for you, the working class of Eleusis, to rise up and take your city back.
#MakeEleusisGreatAgain
You specifically out of almost everyone in your faction has lost all respect as a human being for your mindset actions and conduct through these events. Anyone who considers listening to anything you have to say about... well anything automatically gets put in the "your garbage" category of life.