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Sartan vs Eleusis

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  • Iniar
    Iniar Member Posts: 80 ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    Can't imagine being in the position of the volunteer.
  • Kiet
    Kiet Member Posts: 3,263 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Ognog said:
    No doubt there is more going on between Mhaldor, Sartan and Eleusis than I see, but news of Lord Sartan personally slaying Eleusis' defense parties and nobbling the combat abilities of an Eleusis leader isn't a particularly good look, especially when Eleusis doesn't have an active God to operate at that level. Just because Mhaldor has an active God on it's side shouldn't mean Mhaldor becomes invincible while their enemies are brought to their knees.
    Is making uninformed accusations a personal hobby of yours, or something you're dabbling in?
    ShirszaeTitonusCaelan
  • Rangor
    Rangor Member Posts: 3,308 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Asmodron said:
    Just so everything is clear here.

    The majority of complaints brought up are about TDFs in  general and how stunting they make gameplay, rather than the individual in question being punished, yes?

    For the first, I can agree TDFs are just a bad form of punishment, however a more 'developed' or 'designed' punishment, such as those historical ones we have seen in the past, requires quite some time to make. We are basically asking of the admin behind Sartan to take some time out to develop some interesting curse or what-not that would properly define the punishment and exhibit the wrath of Sartan. We cant even be sure he has the time to take out to do that.


    I do still agree about TDFs and what they do to gameplay.
    Or he could give a normal df and zap coamenel and nuke his room.
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    Prythe
  • Ognog
    Ognog Member Posts: 284 ✭✭✭✭ - Eminent
    Kiet said: Is making uninformed accusations a personal hobby of yours, or something you're dabbling in?
    I only dabble. @Kiet and @Reyson are the real experts.

  • Reyson
    Reyson Member Posts: 808 @ - Epic Achaean
    So, the people who clarified the situation (who had a first-hand view of how things went down) are all lying, or wrong?
    AodfionnShirszaeKiet
  • Coamenel
    Coamenel Member Posts: 188 ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    I'm not particularly interested in a (hostile) wrong/right discussion with you, but I would like to point out that the perspectives of both factions are different. E.g. You and Kiet claim there was no Eleusian defense party, multiple Eleusians say there was. So your opinion may actually be something others don't agree to. 


    Ognog
  • Reyson
    Reyson Member Posts: 808 @ - Epic Achaean
    So when people say there was not an actual fight going on at that moment, and Mhaldor had not engaged yet, they are incorrect? Not in the spirit of hostility, but in the interest of clarity- when Sartan slew people, did it swing the outcome of a fight? 
  • Coamenel
    Coamenel Member Posts: 188 ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    Reyson said:
    So when people say there was not an actual fight going on at that moment, and Mhaldor had not engaged yet, they are incorrect? Not in the spirit of hostility, but in the interest of clarity- when Sartan slew people, did it swing the outcome of a fight? 
    No, not an ongoing fight. Mind you I wasn't there. But you can probably imagine that morale, already a fragile thing in Eleusis, got drilled right into the ground when the party got destroyed by an immortal. Thus, likely unintended, influencing any spirit for a fight after that had happened. 

    And no, you weren't engaged and had to wait 30 minutes before a party was even formed. That's what you get if you decide to raid a city with mainly non-coms in it I guess. But when the non-coms finally form a party after 30 mins of being under attack, that is in fact still a defense party. 

    I just wanted to make clear though, that some people do not share your view. I've noticed that a lot off you have in fact got very strong opinions on everything, and can almost never be wrong about anything too. That's actually not a bad thing per se, if it weren't for the fact that discussions in the Achaean community are often hostile and filled with hatred. Even when Fred kinda agrees with me, he can't resist to call me 'fucking dumb' and 'lolz inducing at best'. It is why I, and others, are already gone from the achaea discord. It is why I am considering not getting myself involved in the forums anymore. Hell, if I wouldn't have had invested probably over 2000€ in Coa, I may even have pulled the plug on it alltogether. Not the producers, not the volunteers, not any off the complaints that you can find on these boards, but the attitude in the Achaea community is having issues. I'm also not saying that because of myself, I'm pretty sure achaea will be just fine without. It's the fact that I'm most likely not the only one feeling this way, it's a genuine threat to the game imho. 
    ZbacoOgnog
  • Klendathu
    Klendathu Eye of the StormMember Posts: 3,178 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    I feel for the Eleusian players, it's not fun being on the losing side, but Mhaldor was the underdog for a while. Perhaps the people on the "winning" side should remember how it feels to be on the "losing" side, rather than using it as an excuse for their behaviour, and be a little less condescending and patronising.

    Remember, there's people at their keyboards on both sides. Snarky shitty personal attacks are not necessary.



    Tharos, the Announcer of Delos shouts, "It's near the end of the egghunt and I still haven't figured out how to pronounce Clean-dat-hoo."
    CailinAileaOgnog
  • Taryius
    Taryius Member, Secret Squirrel Posts: 896 @ - Epic Achaean
    It's just a death, yes the experience can be annoying if you are really grinding for it but its nothing you can't earn back quite quickly... But now you get to tell the tale of when Sartan nuked an entire group of eleusians.

    You guys had sat upon your gatehouse for quite a long time (not saying thats a -bad- thing, if you don't want to defend don't defend, but that is a whole other can of worms). It's not like Sartan intervened in an active fight.

    Reyson
  • Mathilda
    Mathilda Member Posts: 902 ✭✭✭✭✭ - Grand Achaean
    Having a Godmin smash Eleusis when they were already clearly done with the conflict at that moment isn't likely to endear Eleusis towards Godmins in general.

    There is a fine line, and having a faction be decimated by exterminations and Divine action at the same time may have crossed that. 
     <3 
    JacenZbacoTukioOgnog
  • Siduri
    Siduri Member Posts: 1,619 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Cooper said:
    Ignoring all of that, it was pretty funny for us to have had a formal talk with the Speaker of Eleusis last night and agree to a ceasefire pending him posting to his council about wanting to concede defeat, so they could work their shit out for a few days.

    ...and then login to Eleusis having raided us.
    That's because the head isn't connected to the hand in Eleusis' case. There are two possible solutions to that, but it's their job to sort it out. In the meantime, I'm all for letting them understand the consequences of that.

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  • Jacen
    Jacen Member Posts: 2,325 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    I don't see any problem with Eleusis enemying Sartan if that's what we're talking about. Not only does it make sense from the RP side of things, but it seems like an incredibly petty thing for a god to get pissed off over. Heck, I think it makes a lot of sense for a city to enemy a god, especially cities like Hashan, Cyrene, and Ashtan, which might occasionally (and have historically) associate with gods outside of their faction. Gods are living roles in Achaea, it makes sense to keep a record of their transgressions against your city, if you otherwise might ask them to patron you at some point.
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    ExelethrilOgnogPrytheIsmay
  • Aegoth
    Aegoth Member Posts: 2,936 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Cooper said:
    Ignoring all of that, it was pretty funny for us to have had a formal talk with the Speaker of Eleusis last night and agree to a ceasefire pending him posting to his council about wanting to concede defeat, so they could work their shit out for a few days.

    ...and then login to Eleusis having raided us.
    Yea, that's not gonna end well for them...
    GannicusPrytheTitonus
  • Valaria
    Valaria Member Posts: 400 ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    i remember long time ago that Shallam has Sartan as patron at one point.. or maybe a church? it was funny.

    2015/01/12 Tecton, the Terraformer has bestowed His divine favour upon you. It will last for approximately 1 Achaean month.
  • Siduri
    Siduri Member Posts: 1,619 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Cities enemy orders, not Gods.

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  • Jacen
    Jacen Member Posts: 2,325 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Daeir said:
    Yeah, because Eleusis is totally going to ask Sartan to patron them.

    You're absolutely right, it's asinine. Their purposes are just so diametrically opposed. One might even call them... Enemies.
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    ZbacoCailinOgnog
  • Shirszae
    Shirszae Santo DomingoMember Posts: 3,509 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    edited June 2017
    Yeah, because saying,

    "Hey, YOU, near-omnipotent glowing fire of death, YOU are not welcome here. So don't YOU dare come here or the guards will do short work of YOU!"

    makes perfect sense. Yes, they are enemies for all intents and purposes. But treating a God like just another mortal -Should- be asking for trouble. You -can- do it, maybe,  just prepare your rear for it first.

    And you won't understand the cause of your grief...


    ...But you'll always follow the voices beneath.

    TaryiusYselaKayeilAilea
  • Exelethril
    Exelethril Member Posts: 3,360 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    edited June 2017
    Should you have an issue with the behaviour of the volunteers who devote many hours to improve Achaea, please email support, or Nicola or Makarios directly, rather than addressing them in a derogatory fashion in a public forum. Thank you!
    Post edited by Dalinor on

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  • Sobriquet
    Sobriquet Member Posts: 2,807 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    You seem to be saying only Evil Gods can do this. 
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  • Shirszae
    Shirszae Santo DomingoMember Posts: 3,509 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    edited June 2017
    I've edited Exelethril's comment as it's not appropriate to speak poorly of our volunteers! 
    Post edited by Dalinor on

    And you won't understand the cause of your grief...


    ...But you'll always follow the voices beneath.

    VylinYselaGannicus
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