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Plenty of death threats, general ridiculousness on the level of Syth, jokes at others expense, quite a few things honestly. As shown in the quote I used to have, she got away with threatening Phaestus with a fat lip since that's how she greeted Verrucht earlier and He joked about Verrucht getting more attention...honestly, there's quite a bit. And more than a few times, I've commented in an insane clan that I'm shocked Nell didn't get a zap or a CDF for it. No one notices or cares.
EDIT: If it helps, an Occie friend of mine has said that Nell speaks like the Occultists do on their channel.
This is the example they used.
(Occultists): Hirst says, "Does anybody have a moment to send me to the Pit of
Golgotha?"
(Occultists): Mariya says, "Oh, all right."
(Occultists): Hirst says, "I may have accidently sent my father there for
calling me "an ******* of a son"."
(Occultists): Mariya says, "These things happen."
Haven't read all the posts on this thread, so not sure if it's been mentioned, but it would be pretty cool to have some sort of system where cities could vie to be the cultural or commercial capitals of Achaea, judged on actual things like amount of shops or books, quality and diversity of goods, performances, sculptures, city design, winners of art/bard, or citizens handing in trade deals in harbours getting small amounts of points. Something non combatants could compete against each other for. It might help motivate Cyrene, Hashan, and other city's non military forces to work on improvements to their cities.
It could either be judged by an impartial party (admin/divine) every decade or so, or set up to be automatic - but that might even be more work with coding, I don't know how it works, and definitely more limiting. Possibly with small bonuses to citizens, like a 10% discount in denizen owned shops, or bonus to ratting/fishing gold for the commercial capital, as well as the right to shout from the rooftops about it of course.
Honourable, knight eternal,
Darkly evil, cruel infernal.
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Never played Lusternia, so I don't know.
@Vayne, because some people seem to need these 'rewards' to want to do something about it, and even those who don't would probably appreciate the recognition.
Honourable, knight eternal,
Darkly evil, cruel infernal.
Necromanctic to the core,Dance with death forever more.
Everything from stubbing a toe to the inevitable Occultist hangovers is the equivalent of praising Lord Sartan. GG everyone.
If yes, was it interesting?
If yes, it was good Achaean Art.
Just because there isn't a hard-coded "Artist Ranking" doesn't mean artists go unrecognized or Cyrene goes unknown as a cultural powerhouse.
I have seen quite a few comments in this thread that really irked me as a player that has a character in Eleusis and one in Cyrene.
People tend to think that their own thoughts are the right ones and the only ones. In Eleusis, clearly the only way to serve Nature is through combat, right? Wrong. Yet those that do not fight (Idelisa is morally opposed to Nature defense) but she is looked down upon and judged ICly (apathetic/lazy) and OOCly (doesn't wanna lose exp) when I have very clear cut RP reasons not to.
I share this because I think it's a good example of exactly what Kaden said. Basically that just because people aren't doing what you are passionate about doesn't mean that they are apathetic or lazy or whatever.
Now take my Cyrenian character. She doesn't attend Senate meetings because I can't play Tuesday nights and on the rare occasions that I can, I am too late. When I -did- attend I/she went to learn. And yet someone earlier said that her attendance is pointless because she didn't speak up. On a different subject, she is trying to get into @Scarlatti's order because her IC experiences dropped her there. OOCly however I am not creative, an artist, a poet or anything of the sort and its a genuine challenge for me. Despite trying dozens of times I have only been able to come up with one piece. But people could find her lack of works (especially those that are naturals) to be her being lazy.
tl;dr - a lot of these arguments are dumb and are simply people saying "my way is the right way and if you don't do xyz thing then you are lazy/apathetic" when in reality we all are just different.
There's a certain threshold where being "different" shouldn't buy you immunity. Someone joining Mhaldor who doesn't respect Sartan shouldn't expect leeway because he's "different". Someone in the Nature faction, where fighting to preserve Nature is in the job description, should be judged a little bit if they refuse to take part in that. I don't know how Scarlatti does things, but joining His order without any ability or desire to create "art" does seem a little antithetical. I understand we play RPGs to pretend we are things that we really aren't, and you're right, there are lots of "different" ways that we can help a faction without being a stereotypical member, but in a serious RPG, if you don't have the means to actually play a role (I'm not clever enough to play a Jester, you say you're bad at art) then we can do those roles a disservice if we pursue them, anyway. Part of joining a community is joining the community and doing what that community expects of you. When/if you join a community and don't/can't do what they expect of you, they have every right to be unimpressed with you. That's not a bad thing, because it keeps those communities good at doing what they're supposed to be good at. I'd be sad if Scarlatti's order wound up with a bunch of members that weren't actually good artists.
Also, "my way is the right way" is not bad RP. As long as it's the character saying it and not the player, it can be very good RP. Aerek says a lot of things I'd never say in real life, because he's a proud, blunt, military man who can get irritated with civilians and the Mojushai at times. I argue with and against all sorts of people and sometimes do imply that they're lazy/apathetic because that's who he is, IC. (Though usually among friends, not rudely to their face) In reality, I'm a frickin' Buddhist that would fit right in with the Mojushai and would love a quiet, happy Cyrene to live in. I like what the Mojushai stand for, and it's good for Cyrene to be peaceful and civilian-centered, but that's not who I'm playing. As long as we're considerate and productive with our RP disagreements, I'm going to say, "You hippies get off your asses and enlist!" and I hope they reply, "Make love, man, not war!" and we can have fun with the back and forth, because that's great RP from "different" characters. It's only when the players start to get that "my way is the right way" mindset that it becomes a problem, because then the "RP" (Read: actual) disagreements get inconsiderate and unproductive.
Edit: Emphasized some things for emphasis.
I think you demonstrated my point quite well. There are many ways to contribute to a community without doing what the mainstream does or what one particular group of people feels is an acceptable way of participating.
Also, you are right. RPing extremists would make someone say "my way is the right way" but that's not at all what I was referring to. I was pointing out comments in this thread that suggested PLAYERS finding those that do not participate in their activity to be apathetic.
I feel like only writing one paragraph in here would be completely unCyrenian, so to address my point, when you show up to the meetings but don't say anything, that could, in fact, be taken as apathy or even going AFK, but there are a lot of reasons why someone might do that. They might not be comfortable in the environment, and might still be adjusting to it, which is perfectly natural behavior. They might just want to go to see what it's like, or they might have planned on adding things, but couldn't think of anything relevant that wasn't already pointed out. They might even go out of a perceived duty to the city, but not be very eloquent at speaking, and thus shy from taking a more active role.
It doesn't help that, although the meetings are open, they're very controlled. Yes, there's a very good reason they're controlled like that, but it still presents a stifling atmosphere, and if you're playing a character who doesn't have a lot of public speaking experience, that should affect them! It's also slightly difficult to roleplay in this situation, because any emote is distracting, even if it rightfully shouldn't be. Ideally, people in the back of the meeting could be paying attention or fighting off sleep, rolling their eyes at statements they disagree with, possibly even whispering to one another, etc. however, this all creates a noisy and undesirable environment in a text medium.
Everything I said above is completely correct and if you disagree you're just wrong. [-(
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