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  • DakloreDaklore Member Posts: 804 ✭✭✭✭ - Eminent
    I feel like we've been here before, have we been here before?

    I tried to find a video clip to sum this up... this'll have to do:

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    When Canada rules the world,
    things will be... nii~ice.
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  • ErasarielErasariel Member Posts: 757 ✭✭✭✭ - Eminent
    edited December 2012
    God, my joke post got buried so hard. Ah, well, was a good try. *shrug*

    If you don't get it, read this. It's my first joke post in response to the "6666" quote Mosr posted.

    Anyway, time to -actually- contribute to the discussion.

    I've been a citizen of Cyrene for the past two RL years, and I'll just say that, in my opinion, the problems in Cyrene are very deeply-rooted. I mean..I always get this feeling of entrenchment in Cyrene's politics, culture, and society - it feels like everything is set in stone and people are just acting out the days of their lives.

    Let's take new Cyrenians, for example. It's so hard for newbies to hop into Cyrene, even if it can be quite accommodating for them. The problem isn't with the newbie training - that's top-notch, and I'm glad to have contributed to it in the past - it's with what comes after. After settling into a House, I found Cyrenian House requirements to be really thick and high brick walls I can't go through to advance. If I'm a rogue, I can't really hop into -anything- at all - yes, there is an organization for these rogues, but it feels more like a motley group of Cyrenians without a House than an actual organization and faction within the city.

    What's the underlying concepts behind this? I can totally stand by Tanris and Melodie about Cyrene's current interpretation of Respect, but I think it's even more deeply-rooted than that.

    I believe that Cyrene's definition of its neutral-good alignment is what's holding it back. Even HELP CYRENE interprets it as, if I remember correctly, "usually sitting on a fence, although they will choose a side if they want to". The very opportunity of doing nothing and sit on a fence is in the very definition of the city itself, and that hurts Cyrene a lot.

    I'll say this: Cyrene needs to have a more assertive, judgmental, and active neutral-good position. The time that Cyrene takes an actual proactive stance in world affairs and actually participate in the global dynamic has been overdue. Way overdue.

    Just my two cents as an inactive Cyrenian.


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  • KyrraKyrra Sanctum of the SkyMember Posts: 4,679 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    I had written out a response earlier. Mainly to address some things that @Melodie and @Aerek mentioned in the thread that was derailed. I ended up deleting what I had written.

    I was browsing through logs from 2004 the other night. Was a theft attempt by @Cain while he was still a serpent. I swear he loved snapping me just to watch my eyelashes flutter at him. It gave me a real indication of when I had started playing Achaea though and how long I've been around for. Kyrra was my first character. She's still the exact same race. Still the exact same class. Some things are exactly as they have always been and some things are so drastically different to how I remember them.

    I love Cyrene. It's a wonderful city. It used to be enchanting for me. Perhaps five years of dormancy stripped away some of the illusion or perhaps the city has evolved and changed, with the people that evolve and change. I had a brutal time with the Runewarden guild. I clearly recall playing all day, every day, back then. I had to work for two real life years, in a game, just to earn enough guild favours for a single guild rank. By the time I reached GR3 and had class, I was more than ready to follow Jarik into roguedom. Because of the frustration and stagnation of my guild, I naturally leaned toward the city and wanted to involve myself with helping other people instead. Which is what I did. I was happy to forge, do tattoos and runes. I used to risk punishment every time @Xenomorph came to sit in the tunnels and wait to get runes. To this day, I still don't think the man truly understands why I idolized him as a Knight.

    When Houses came around, I had no desire to jump on in. Kyrra's never been in a House. Kyrra never will. While I can understand where @Aerek is coming from, with insisting that people ought to join Houses, for me, it's irrelevant to wanting to do more for the city itself. Two extra channels I don't see any other benefit to House other than social interaction, for which I am not lacking. I might have left the Runewarden guild but I never forgot the things that I learned. While times have certainly changed, a Runewarden serves her city first and foremost. That's pretty much all I desire to do and instead of encouraging that, most people go out of their way to stamp out any sort of enthusiasm that I have. I still don't understand why. I'd have thought that most people would appreciate someone willing to volunteer their time to do something their enjoy, which benefits a city. Why have city projects that require citizen donations to complete, if you don't want people to donate? Why encourage people to donate commodities for the community, if they are going to get put down for making the effort?

    I've never really had a problem with the city itself, it's more the attitude of the people that has shifted. The day I realised that Cyrene no longer felt like home to Kyrra, was the day that a visitor to the city had to heartstop out of a house in the subdivision because nobody would assist them by being a prism target. The commentary and ridicule over the city channel regarding that little event was a disgrace, and the acceptable mindset that it was the visitor's fault for getting locked in a house in the first place was disgusting. I remember days when everyone was helpful and not just those looking out for their own interests. People in general used to be friendly, easily approachable and helpful. I guess those people are long dormant or something? Centre Crossing used to be a place of social interaction and people were actually in character, and things like daydreaming was pretty much unacceptable. Now it's a given.

    My views differ greatly from the views of my character. As a player, as the person sitting behind the keyboard, I got tired of the frustration and restrictions. Like anything I do, I need goals and something to work toward. About the only thing I had left to work toward, was my city rank. Because I'd aspired to be a Lady since I'd started playing. Being assured that I'd get there anytime within the next century was very encouraging while ultimately discouraging me from any form of participation because I don't really need to waste my time doing that. I'm not sure people actually realised how much I enjoy the things that I do in character. I didn't think it was fair to have to bitch and moan to Verrucht every other week about why things were frustrating me despite him always being happy to listen. He took it personally when I took Kyrra out of Cyrene. I know that I shocked quite a few people when I left, @Melodie, and it was those people that I returned for, because I felt guilty for letting them down. In the end though, I am responsible for my own happiness, not anyone else. Nothing would have changed if I had stayed and rather than band-aid solutions for the problems that I was experiencing personally, I chose to leave. My character is now somewhere she is actually wanted and gets to do all things she enjoys doing, and as a result, the person behind the keyboard enjoys logging into the game.

    I'm probably always going to miss Cyrene. I have a decade of memories, friends and family there. I care enough that I still defend Cyrene. I still die for the city that people think I turned my back on. It speaks volumes to me that Ashtani would defend Cyrene because I was willing to put my life on the line. I probably care more than most of the people that play this game and that is part of the problem. And this has turned into a 3am reflective rant. GG Kyrra.
    (D.M.A.): Cooper says, "Kyrra is either the most innocent person in the world, or the girl who uses the most innuendo seemingly unintentionally but really on purpose."

    Elowin
  • VelyseVelyse Member Posts: 165 ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    I agree with Iocun that ideally there should be no mandate that cities must have rigid ideologies, directly conflicting with an opposing city. It feels a little silly and unrealistic to divy everyone up into black-and-white teams, and makes everything incredibly predictable. Unfortunately, there aren't many legitimate avenues for conflict outside of doing just that under the current system. As is, the near entirety of Achaean conflict essentially boils down to variations of: "I am ideologically opposed to you, so we are going to come into your city and kill your people." This means that conflict comes, primarily, from those with strong ideological bases who have strong moral opposition to another entity.

    Cyrene is a city based on an ideological aversion to combat (hereafter referred to as "PK"), in a game where the primary driving force behind interaction/conflict is PK over ideology. Really, there are three options to changing this: Force them to join the existing war on Shallam's side, separate and create a new war with a new Cyrenian ideological pantheon (to be based off of Scarlatti, Phaestus, and maybe Neraeos), or create a new system that allows for conflict/world influence through non-PK methods. They all have their problems: Redundancy, upsetting a major group of players within the city, shoehorning of some manner, and never-gonna-happen-because-it-would-take-a-new-mechanic to name a few.

    All that being said, Cyrene has an incredibly healthy albeit disconnected population, so while steps may be taken to bring players together I don't think that radically changing what the city does or stands for is a good idea. Respect should probably go. When I first started reading this thread, I couldn't think of any times that "respect" and "disrespect" had been used as a shield from, or dismissal of criticism. By the time I was done, I could think of three that stood out, and I've not been playing for more than a few months.

    I'd also not like to see Cyrene basically become Shallam-light, and I think most of the player base would hate to see that too. If there's going to be a shifting of Cyrene's ideologies, I'd rather it be away from Shallam and toward a more independent conflict, preferably something new with Hashan. Hashan needs love, too.
    Sylvance
  • DakloreDaklore Member Posts: 804 ✭✭✭✭ - Eminent
    @Idelisa the reference is actually Dragonball Z Abridged, not Cyrene. Nice try, though.

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  • IocunIocun Member Posts: 3,506 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    edited December 2012
    Aerek said:
    We came close with the Citadel vs. Lumeni episode
    That's one thing I'm honestly a bit disappointed about. This had the potential of being a very interesting internal conflict, but it seems to me that much of what happened between the Citadel and the Lumeni was kept between themselves and never disclosed to the citizens of Cyrene. I learned lots of things from OOC sources regarding this that would have quite infuriated Iocun, but sadly it was never publicised IC.
  • VerruchtVerrucht Member Posts: 267 ✭✭✭✭✭ - Grand Achaean
    edited December 2012
    I intended to comment to @Aerek from above with an edit, but in the end this was too long to do that.

    Nothing Cyrene did impacted Rho's decision, and he was still going to excommunicate all of Cyrene, except that Mithraea and Pentharian stepped in and told him to back down. People always want to play up Cyrene's role in that, but as someone who saw into both sides both ICly and OOCly, it's kind of interesting to me how the story has shifted.

    For the whole treaty-signing, that's a really long story that I don't particularly want to get into, old news as they'd say. However, I didn't find it particularly that interesting or enjoyable as someone who was pretty much mired in the whole mess. The one thing I am thankful about is that helped bring about open Senate meetings (which all the Senators complain about, but are really a positive since the citizens are given the opportunity to be engaged) and the transparency that might seem like a little meaningless nothing, but really represents a positive to me as both a citizen and a leader in it.

    As for the Lumeni vs. Citadel incident, all that almost happened was a couple people almost got all of Cyrene's devotionists nuked because they thought that Cyrene devotion is somehow untouchable. Again, I don't find this enjoyable or interesting because of how many other people's gaming experiences would have been negatively impacted.

    OceanaHalos
  • LisbethaeLisbethae Member Posts: 176 ✭✭✭✭ - Eminent
    edited December 2012
    I disagree that the problem is respect as a basic core value. The problem with it is that it may be a bit too complex for all people to understand completely. 

    Respect isn't liking someone, it is letting them have their say. Respect isn't bridged when someone disagrees with you, too often it is seen as just that. You can respectfully say you are doing it wrong. Anymore, you can't have a discussion for long over CT before someone says, This is not the place for this conversation. Which makes me roll my eyes, nearly every time. If we actually did debate on CT, that would be wonderful, because it may show that people CARE.

    The biggest problem with Respect is that Cyrene loses some of it's core beliefs because people are all, "respect what they are doing" even if it is square against the Ethos of the city. That's not respect, that's apathy to the purpose of the city. You can respectfully believe that someone is doing it wrong. Community isn't formed by everyone always doing their own thing, community is formed when people all do (roughly) the same thing. In a city of neutral Good, we tip toe around people who hunt anything and everything because it is easier, not because it is good RP. When we talk about it there is much about about hunting choices being their right. I think we'd gain a good deal if we took a stand one way or another. I'd like to see the "You're not the boss of me" attitude turned on its ear.

    Aside with the core Apathy of purpose, the biggest problem I see is what someone termed "Buttsitters." People who sit around doing eff-all, except for pointing out the flaws of the things that the people who are doing things are doing. (Yup, like that sentence.)

    The other problem I see are the "All for One and -I'm- the One" people. Sure, this is a game, you should enjoy it, but a city doesn't run on it's own. If you don't participate, the game isn't going to attract people. If it doesn't attract people, it won't be economically feasible to maintain, and that means, boys and girls, there would be no more Achaea.

    Another problem, which I think isn't unique to Cyrene, is how quickly people take offense and are willing to cannibalize the community bonds in Cyrene. There's no slack cut for people because you know they meant well. There's no glossing over someone's bad day, giving people the benefit of the doubt, all too often people use someone's bad day as a reason to HATE THEM FOREVER.

    Negative RP, we got. Positive, not so much.

    PS - I should say that not everything is bad, there's good too. I have been amazed by many people, but this was talking about what is wrong, not what is right.
  • VayneVayne Rhode IslandMember Posts: 1,897 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Cyrene, City of Respect Postmodernism?
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  • AerekAerek East Tennessee, USAMember Posts: 1,818 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    edited December 2012
    Iocun said:
    Aerek said:
    We came close with the Citadel vs. Lumeni episode
    That's one thing I'm honestly a bit disappointed about. This had the potential of being a very interesting internal conflict, but it seems to me that much of what happened between the Citadel and the Lumeni was kept between themselves and never disclosed to the citizens of Cyrene. I learned lots of things from OOC sources regarding this that would have quite infuriated Iocun, but sadly it was never publicised IC.
    I feel the same. Without trying to be accusatory, I believe it was kept quiet because it would have infuriated the masses, and that's against the quiet, cautious, let's-not-get-anyone-riled mindset of the current leaders. I thought about trying to make it more public, but I was already on thin ice at the time, and being a rabble-rouser really isn't the image I want for Aerek, though I'm certain that's how some folks see me, by this point.

    Edit: Dang, this thread exploded while I was typing.

    @Verrucht It feels to me like you look at those events from practical and mechanical standpoints, where I see them from a narrative standpoint. The Cyrene/Mhaldor treaty was interesting because it brought out Cyrene's "Neutral" side over the "Good" side. The Rho ordeal showed me a side of the city that was willing to negotiate with foreign powers, when our usual response is "You can't tell us what to do!" The Citadel ordeal drastically altered the precedent of the Lumeni from "ally of the Church/Citadel with understood subservience" to "subsidiary of the Citadel." That's a big deal to the folks who built that clan up from the ground, and it would have been poor roleplay for some of us to go quietly along. Regardless of the individual details and behind-the-scenes factors, I enjoyed all of these events because they made for good stories to tell the next generations of players, or even people who don't play the game to show them how deep it is. I gloss over a lot of headaches and drama if it makes for a good story.
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    Jhaeli
  • CooperCooper IowaMember Posts: 4,478 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Cyrene forum threads are the worst because everyone write a freaking book.

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  • AerekAerek East Tennessee, USAMember Posts: 1,818 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    It's because we don't get to talk about it on the forums often. :P
    -- Grounded in but one perspective, what we perceive is an exaggeration of the truth.
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  • TaloniaTalonia Member Posts: 152 ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    Aerek said:
    the Cyrenian leadership just needs to remember that this game is a story, and stories are only engaging and entertaining when they take risks, have plot twists, try new directions, and have villains. Right now, we're just a day-in-the-life-of blog, and it's losing people.
    This is worth emphasizing.  In almost all the cities, leaders generally maintain a holding pattern resembling municipal government, with a focus on provision of services like credit sales, regen/alchemy/enchant rooms, etc.  If leaders were less concerned about clinging to power and willing to be a little wilder, things might be more fun without the admins having to come in to shake things up.  
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  • VerruchtVerrucht Member Posts: 267 ✭✭✭✭✭ - Grand Achaean
    Talonia said:
    Aerek said:
    the Cyrenian leadership just needs to remember that this game is a story, and stories are only engaging and entertaining when they take risks, have plot twists, try new directions, and have villains. Right now, we're just a day-in-the-life-of blog, and it's losing people.
    This is worth emphasizing.  In almost all the cities, leaders generally maintain a holding pattern resembling municipal government, with a focus on provision of services like credit sales, regen/alchemy/enchant rooms, etc.  If leaders were less concerned about clinging to power and willing to be a little wilder, things might be more fun without the admins having to come in to shake things up.  
    Probably the reason that people focus on it is because someone actually has to. It's important for people to remember that these are player-run governments, and that the Divine aren't going to handle the mundane day to day crap, that's left to the players.

  • TaloniaTalonia Member Posts: 152 ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    edited December 2012
    There is no day-to-day crap, or at least, there doesn't have to be.  The only "crap" there is to deal with is self-created.  No one says you have to give out credits at certain intervals, or respond to citizenship applications a certain way or within a certain period of time, or have a well-defined system of enemying outsiders and charging them with certain crimes.  The Ambassador of a city could be so much more than a paper-pusher - it could be a proselytizer-in-chief in aligned cities, an established roleplayer with a penchant for conversions, for instance.  But people lack imagination and are constrained by what came before. 

    Sewer systems do not actually carry waste, potholes do not develop in roads (and in fact, they need no maintenance at all save for special circumstances, like dragon attacks or raids), utility lines do not need to be maintained.  Stop treating Achaean government like it should be anything but really good roleplay facilitation, and we'll all have a better time.

    Also, you should open leadership meetings and decisions up to more players (in the cities where this makes sense - Cyrene, Hashan, Ashtan, Eleusis, I'd say).  There's often a phenomenon where leaders of a city monopolize events or decision-making authority, and that means opportunities for meaningful personal moral self-examination and internal struggle are minimized.  Halos was right to start opening the floodgates to the Citadel after the Te'Serra died - the fewer rule at the top, the worse it goes if those leaders aren't truly fantastic at facilitating fun.  


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  • IdelisaIdelisa Member Posts: 385 ✭✭✭✭ - Eminent
    Daklore said:
    I don't have much to actually add....

    ...664 word book later.
    I know I teased you about your muffin icon, and I will tease you about this, too but in all seriousness I've had nothing but good experiences with you, and so many people here... and there's other people I'd like to put out of my misery.

    I know that this is a sensitive subject for a lot of people - people like @Melodie, @Verrucht, @Rinzai and @Velyse and so many others who pour their hearts and time into making Cyrene a better place.

    The unfortunate thing in life, however, is that perception is usually people's reality.  There are literally people in Cyrene (That I'm related to, no less) that I avoid because they are so full of sugary sweet hyperness that I feel like I'm getting cavities IRL.  Then there are others, like @Nim who protect bunnies and love sweets but she's anything from hyper and she's fantastic at RP and combat and is very contemplative. You would never know those things about her unless you RPed a bit more intimately than just an encounter at CC.  There are more people than I can begin to mention that have really solid RP.  

    But come hang out at CC and you won't see Nim, although she's there she'll be dwarfed by the snuggle attacks. 

    One thing that I think further hurts the image from within the city (or other organizations) is the extended communication.  I hate it.  With a passion.   Try to do a KoTH because it looks like there's 30 people around when in reality there's only a handful and everyone else in on a boat, up north, or on an island.  So I've seen more than one cultural aide get  frustrated (even more than before extended communication) and downright give up because it's impossible to get people involved when it looks like so many are around.  

    I head the events department in the Sylvanic fellowship, the position with the highest turnover rate in the House.  From what limited experience I've had, the mix of people within Cyrene is really no different than anywhere else.  You have achievers, people that are full of themselves, backstabbers, and great RPer's but more than that you have mostly people that just wanna do their own thing and get left along.    

    My alt entered a limerick contest in Cyrene and I was told I'd probably win cause nobody else was entering.  I tried to do a limerick contest for the Sylvanic fellowship and I literally have to ask each person individually to get people involved, despite a post and 3 different credit prizes.  It's extremely frustrating when you are trying to rally people for a cause, or activity, but... well, that's just how it goes.

    On top of it, lots of the people that go to Cyrene are because they WANT a simple, peaceful existence to just do what they want and not have to participate.

    tl;dr - There's good people and bad people everywhere.  Also, get rid of extended communications, damnit!
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  • AsmodronAsmodron Member Posts: 2,497 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    people people, it is called "Leave a Comment" not "Leave your memoirs", Feels like im reading highschool essays O.o.
    IdelisaAveri
  • MelodieMelodie Port Saint Lucie, FloridaMember Posts: 4,809 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    edited December 2012
    Wow, this thread exploded while I slept. Suppose I should have expected that!

    To everyone's back and forth about respect being a core ideal - I understand it's a double-edged sword. Lived it for years. I feel like respect should be replaced with something similar to "good common sense", but sounds better. It's okay to disagree with each other, it's okay to have a healthy debate, it's not okay to spy on citizens, it's not okay to outright insult someone, etc etc. I still think respect should be apart of the culture, just not so much a focus. @Verrucht is right when he says it's not been -as- big of a problem as it was in the past. The debate about Selene's realm (obviously before the current event) is a great example. There was a huge difference in opinions between people on that, and was actually very interesting to hear/talk about. I'm sad I wasn't there for it. Debates are good and healthy for a neutral-ish city like Cyrene - it keeps us sharp.

    I also agree with @Aerek, @Iocun, @Verrucht and a couple of others on not needing to be a polar faction. It's good to have something to drive us, mind you, but we don't need Good, Nature, Evil and so on to do so. The fact we can have a city where there's those like the Kindred, who are a mostly neutral org that focuses on a lot of Lupine ideals, and then have the Lumeni, who follow the Light, and we actually (usually) get along is interesting. We clash sometimes, but that makes for something interesting.

    Now for @Verrucht and @Aerek being on opposite sides of the idea of government and RP - God, why am I always directly between you two? - I think it's a balancing game of equilibrium, where you constantly have to shift (that was just for you Nerai). I do agree with @Verrucht in that a lot of the drama that can come of these events are -such- a headache, as a leader, at times. It's also, for me, very draining, simply because of who I am as a person - empathy can be such a -, sometimes. -However-, that said, @Aerek is right in that creating a story is a big purpose of playing Achaea, and we as leaders should be trying to do that on occasion. I'm not going to comment on the Citadel missive thing because I was right in the middle of ALL of that, and I personally had plenty to deal with in that situation that I honestly did not want to go further with it. But, I also ended up handling large parts by myself, or with a few people. I also ended up getting chided a lot on a lot of sides because of it - I cannot think of a single, more draining RP situation that I ever dealt with. I literally had to take a break for a week and only log in occasionally just because of that. The leaders are always to blame, remember, so we end up getting the most crap because of any kind of conflict/issue/etc, -even- if it helps tell a story and is interesting. Just something to keep in mind.

    About the affection and so on - I really have absolutely no problem with people being affectionate. My issue is the public displays of affection, because it can really get overboard. Anyone who interacts with me on a daily basis will see me peck the cheek of people I know in public - that's usually as far as I take it in places like Centre Crossing and etc, and even there, I try to keep it limited. What people do off the main streets, I couldn't care less about. Mel has a text-family that she takes care of, and affection is apart of the role. But nibblekissing, snuggling, licking, passionate kisses that we can actually see your tongue through - these are not appropriate to perform in front of strangers. It makes you feel uncomfortable in real life, and it should make you feel uncomfortable to do at CC, too. Beyond this, there are varying degrees of what people are comfortable with doing in public, and that's okay, I don't want to debate that, because if we do, it'll never stop.

    Government transparency - Like @Verrucht stated, we do this already. Every other meeting is open, and if we cancel a meeting, we always have open meetings to take up for it. It can be very, very difficult to run an open meeting (both Chryseas and Verrucht are amazing at it), but more often than not, we have people who show up and... afk through the whole thing. Why show up if you're not going to contribute, at all, and not even offer anything to the meeting? I don't get it. But anyway, that ties back into apathy and all of that.

    I think everything else got answered by someone at some point.

    Edit: Clarity. Also, sorry for no tl;dr, there really is no way to do that when it comes to these kinds of posts.
    "You have had an extraordinary adventure, my dear. Extraordinary! One that few people could ever imagine. Treasure it. Keep it safe and secure, tucked away in some special place in your heart. 

    But... don't spend the rest of your days chasing a ghost."
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  • AsmodronAsmodron Member Posts: 2,497 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    ^

    The Pain!!!
  • MelodieMelodie Port Saint Lucie, FloridaMember Posts: 4,809 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    You're not forced to read and discuss here if you don't wish to. :)
    "You have had an extraordinary adventure, my dear. Extraordinary! One that few people could ever imagine. Treasure it. Keep it safe and secure, tucked away in some special place in your heart. 

    But... don't spend the rest of your days chasing a ghost."
    Jhaeli
  • DakloreDaklore Member Posts: 804 ✭✭✭✭ - Eminent
    Sherazad said:
    Melodie said:
    You're not forced to read and discuss here if you don't wish to. :)
    RESPECT THIS THREAD OR GTFO! >(
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  • BarronsBarrons Member Posts: 9
    Okay. I'll vent.

    From my perspective, part of what discourages me from getting involved in role-play with others in the city is the attitude of most of the people I meet. And that's odd for a city that rants about respect. Some are even rude while telling you to be respectful. It's gotten so bad I hate even talking on CT. You never know when you're going to say something that's going to get some uptight, self-important jerk jumping down your throat.

    Now, sure, I know Barrons sometimes pushes the limits when it comes to his humor but even when he's being completely serious he's been verbally attacked by total strangers. The people in the city of Cyrene are so friggin touchy and quick to get offended that I've had to just turn and walk away at times even when it's made me look childish to do so. As far as I'm concerned, snarking on people for no reason is as bad and illogical as far as roleplay goes as not roleplaying with people at all.

    The only thing that's kept me in Cyrene is an inability to see how I could fit this character into another city and the somewhat decent rp available with the Kindred. Otherwise... some people need to realize that they're actually creating a hostile environment and discouraging interaction and role-play. These people really should get over themselves.

    There are my two cents, I'm done.
    Elowin
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