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If you wanna argue those kinda semantics, anyone with access to star sigils can 'follow' evade.
I don't disagree DW is rough to escape from, fwiw. I just don't agree on particular arguments you're posing for why they are. Like having 'easy to stick dizziness' when in fact they don't.
Interesting, since a number of those mentioned people also disagree that DW is countered by 'dor touch shield' - Two of them are very prolific DW fighters. And, for reference... Just because something counters you, that doesn't mean it counters the class entirely as you seem to be suggesting.
Also hypochondria isn't that hard to stick if you bury it under a higher prio aff like timeloop. DW has many, many methods to bury afflictions of their choice
Nausea > Lethargy > Addiction > Impatience is the order.
eta: addiction/leth might be around the other way. Forget the order of those 2.
* LETHARGY and ADDICTION have been swapped in the HYPOCHONDRIA delivery progression. This means LETHARGY is now the third affliction given while ADDICTION is the second.
There we go. Nausea > Addiction > Lethargy > Impatience. They just get to skip nausea, since that's given from the depression instill. So it's addiction (if they dont already give vardrax first) > lethargy > impatience. Three ginseng affs, then impatience has how it's been since it got changed in announce post 4179.
Some of the things you're talking about, such as using the depression chain to give hypochondria to give impatience to stick dizziness, don't directly contribute towards most of DW's potential kill routes, so in those cases those attacks are just adding substantially to the time to kill (three reaps to give hypochondria then one for dizziness is ~8.4 seconds added).
Results of disembowel testing | Knight limb counter | GMCP AB files
(There is a better way to stick dizziness, mind you, and that's via madness. It's unreliable RNG, but possible. However, it's not the best use of resources since a person running away is the least of your worries if all you're doing is trying to stick dizziness rather than afflictions that hinder or kill.)
DW's aff rate is not super high compared to most momentum classes. It does snowball if you stick madness and hypochondria, but that's by design and requires momentum to achieve. It is also very difficult to go that route in practice against many classes because it is a reduced hinder route with no paralysis and no clumsiness unless you go farther out of your way.
Preempt and distort are mutually exclusive. A serpent only has reason to use evade if you're using distort, but then preempt won't follow. Preempt has its uses but it also has its counters (which are utterly trivial with artefacts). Distort is just like Apostate/priest tools except worse because its proc rate decreases when you loop and you can't keep it in adjacent rooms for long at all. If you respond appropriately to DW, it's not super difficult to escape. I'd consider Occultist more difficult to escape with its mobile hinder and no mechanic that reduces its proc rate.
I don't think DW is underpowered, like I said, but I don't think it's more powerful than other classes either. Everything has a weakness.
Sticking dizziness is definitely possible using the madness instill, but you sacrifice some progression for it. It is not reliable.
DW does not have a problem with people leaving the room though. Flight is counterable for them, and preempt when used correctly means people aren't going to escape easily.
If you can't dash or duanathar, it's much stronger. But on the flip side, duanatharing away from it is utterly trivial. I barely use preempt in my generally high tier fights because duanathara is such an absolute counter. But if I'm in an arena or Annwyn, there's a substantial difference in effectiveness.
There are still ways to handle it though, such as spam shield until it fades, then run. It can't be reused right away so that's basically the intended counter when the other options aren't available.
Preempt doesn't really have any bearing on whether the rest of DW is OP though (it's really not), because preempt is so unusable in the circumstances I noted that it is not something a DW can rely on. So at most, preempt would need an adjustment, not the rest of DW.
DW in general doesn't whif afflictions nearly as much as other classes, and because of this increasing uncertainty of affs with broad cures like tree/passive ticks is often much less effective. This can make it the feel like no matter how you cure, you'll get wrecked the same which isn't how a lot of other aff classes are setup.
Because of this, DW also excels at following/chasing people and that can feel frustrating to fight against. Occie is pretty similar in both these aspects with their focus on number of affs rather than specific affs and assess-like skill.
Those are important to remember. I think this more plays into the fact that DW is a lot more user and mistake friendly than locking style aff classes and that can often translate into frustration. There usually is a tradeoff on effectiveness if a classes skill floor is low, but it looks like classleads this round might address that issue a bit.
Also, dash/gallop is stopped by weariness which is a trivial aff for DW to stick and won't stay unstuck for long if they use degen. Heila is super op if you spec'd it and have distort down and they try to fly. Tumbling away isn't great if you don't have your own room hinder, and they are smart enough to drop distort in the room you tumble into.
Smart afflicting is definitely an advantage for DW, but it is also a gating mechanism, much like sicken for Apostate, so it operates as a disadvantage too. Essentially, DWs don't get thrown off track as easily but take longer to kill people compared to the faster momentum classes out there. It's an advantage it shares with Alchemist, which is another slower class, while serpent and bard, for example, have to keep better track of affs but have much much faster locks than the other classes can do any sort of kill. It all balances out overall and the unique advantages and disadvantages of each are what make combat varied and fun.
I lose more as DW than I do as most momentum classes, to be honest, and while I really enjoy the class I think people have a tendency to fixate on strengths and ignore corresponding weaknesses, leading to opinions of the class that don't conform to how it actually performs in reality.
Aegoth, for example, is arguing DW is OP while simultaneously stating that he doesn't lose to them. You have to question why that is.
Like Ajoc said, degen damage is only actually high for a single DW in a group fight, and even for that DW, is only really really high if they also have your shadow. In massive group fights where multiple people are damage attacking you, any group of classes (that have such damage attacks) will kill you. You would actually take more damage if a single DW degened you along with a monk Kai choking and a Magi staffcasting or bard accentatoing (or whatever else). The additional DW only do about 15% per hit, which isn't super high.
But you also seemed to specifically be saying they were OP in 1v1 before, which can't be based on how they do in groups.