The Revelation

Prythe

If I engage you ALONE, and you run and then proceed to talk shit (Epifania, Prythe, Mathilda, etc) then I am going to make it as painful as possible when you do leave your city walls. 

Oh, now that's a joke.

At no time was I part of a group which killed you while you were merely walking by innocently.

And, I didn't  "talk shit"  I said you were a weakling for not being willing to die for your cause and if you actively try to stop a group, which you were, that group has the right to pulverize you, which it did.

Oh, maybe I did talk shit.

Silly me, I thought I was stating facts.

Prythe

 did exactly as you said. You managed to force and politic the coalition to get most of the benefit for your city. You basically run the Coalition. It was beautiful to watch. Unfortunately due to very hard RPing by Jarrod, Cooper and Proficy and Targ's forcing the coalitions hands, Mhaldor can't benefit from the Coalition anymore. It was brilliant. Unfortunately, now the other members of the Coalition have started to realize that in order to play at the table you better be able to push around some people.  Like you said, some orders to the Coalition are acceptable losses. Use and abuse them and toss them away when they become too vocal. 

I wasn't around for the initial negotiations, but watching it unfold and things change / conform to new conditions, has been fun. 

I am part of a very small Order which is not initially / directly benefiting. We can only hope that the world will be made right before this is over, and that those who promised to "stick it out until the end" will keep their ends of the bargain.

My OH is working their tush off for all of this, and I will definitely :: narrow :: if it turns out to be only for the greater good, with no benefit to our Divine, given our OH is rogue so has no other allegiances other than to "doing the right thing because it is the right thing to do."

Me? I have great love for more than one Divine, and of course my City/House Patron allegiances, so I have more reasons to help beyond "the greater good."

And somewhere / somehow I know the Lord Lupus is smiling at all this great Hunting I am getting to do.

Leviticus

Prythe said:

If I engage you ALONE, and you run and then proceed to talk shit (Epifania, Prythe, Mathilda, etc) then I am going to make it as painful as possible when you do leave your city walls. 

Oh, now that's a joke.

At no time was I part of a group which killed you while you were merely walking by innocently.

And, I didn't  "talk shit"  I said you were a weakling for not being willing to die for your cause and if you actively try to stop a group, which you were, that group has the right to pulverize you, which it did.

Oh, maybe I did talk shit.

Silly me, I thought I was stating facts.

I am a weakling for not being willing to die for my cause...  (this is an opinion)

Fact: I am one of the only ones who is actively in the splinter areas trying to subvert for Mhaldor while I am online.

Fact: I have died numerous times trying to subvert and attack Avatars (so I guess I am not a weakling)

Fact: I stand near Eleusis/Targ in order to wait for their Avatar to run to the shrine



Fact: I don't actively try to stop a group that would be dumb. I actively try to kill an Avatar who is usually alone while running to their destination. I actively try to stop people from subverting because every second counts. These people subverting are usually (98 percent of the time) alone when I attack. Then the group comes after me.

Fact: Your groups don't usually "pulverize" me. I escape way more than I die

Fact: If the group has the right to pulverize me, I have to right to pulverize that group. 

This list can go on and on.

You are mistaken, you, attacked me with "gut" numerous times after Atalkez, Epifania, Miriew, Bronislav were all attacking me and I was dodging and evading.

When I engaged you alone, you ran back to Cyrene. 

Opinions < Facts

Ahmet

I mean, I can get the logs from when you attacked me as an Avatar, and then used that conflict as reason to come back and try to kill me on two separate occassions.

Not to mention, you attacked another Avatar, they defended themselves and you came back later while they were afk?

Sounds like your memory is not the best when it comes to who attacked whom.

Aegoth

Sounds like noncoms need to know their place and accept their deaths for participating in PK.

Mathilda

The black tide has subsumed a white pearl butterfly.

WHO SAID THEY WEREN'T FEELING THE DANGER

Leviticus

Ahmet said:

I mean, I can get the logs from when you attacked me as an Avatar, and then used that conflict as reason to come back and try to kill me on two separate occassions.

Not to mention, you attacked another Avatar, they defended themselves and you came back later while they were afk?

Sounds like your memory is not the best when it comes to who attacked whom.

Please get the logs.

I attacked another Avatar while AFK? names? If it is who I think it is (Prythe) and was yanked into Targ to be protected, I have cause on that person for attacking me in a group AFTER they relinquished. I also have cause on that person who yanked her into Targ (Ahmet).

I don't want to continue having these small fights over this and that. I wanted to set my expectations with everyone. Because some people on OOC clans are crying about me. I like understand all sides before I make my decision. 

I targeted you because you usually get into the splinter area and get out untouched. So I attacked you when you were an avatar. You have a right to defend yourself. Cool beans

I can also tell you that you were shooting me with arrows in a splinter area when you weren't an Avatar

Like I said I came here to let people know what was up and my feelings on the matter. It is easy to look at your point of view only and say "Wow, Leviticus is cause hunting, etc, etc". I challenge you to look at it from outside of the Coalition's point of view. Many can't and that is the problem.

Szanthax

He still do cause?

Ahmet

Leviticus said:

Ahmet said:

I mean, I can get the logs from when you attacked me as an Avatar, and then used that conflict as reason to come back and try to kill me on two separate occassions.

Not to mention, you attacked another Avatar, they defended themselves and you came back later while they were afk?

Sounds like your memory is not the best when it comes to who attacked whom.

Please get the logs.

I attacked another Avatar while AFK? names? If it is who I think it is (Prythe) and was yanked into Targ to be protected, I have cause on that person for attacking me in a group AFTER they relinquished. I also have cause on that person who yanked her into Targ (Ahmet).

I don't want to continue having these small fights over this and that. I wanted to set my expectations with everyone. Because some people on OOC clans are crying about me. I like understand all sides before I make my decision. 

I targeted you because you usually get into the splinter area and get out untouched. So I attacked you when you were an avatar. You have a right to defend yourself. Cool beans

I can also tell you that you were shooting me with arrows in a splinter area when you weren't an Avatar

Like I said I came here to let people know what was up and my feelings on the matter. It is easy to look at your point of view only and say "Wow, Leviticus is cause hunting, etc, etc". I challenge you to look at it from outside of the Coalition's point of view. Many can't and that is the problem.

You attacked me while subverting. That means I can defend myself, arrows or otherwise, even if I don't finish subverting. And then you continued to attack me after I became an avatar. And then you tried to kill me twice over.

Whether or not someone has relinquished has zero impact on whether or not they can defend themselves from your attacks, as well. So... yeah. Even if it -was- part of a separate engagement, as you claim, she was fully in her rights to come back for payback because of your prior attacks.

So, yeah. No.  

Siduri

...Why are you two arguing when the very premise of his method relies on the existence of cause...

...Which is no longer a thing?

Ahmet

You still need a valid reason to attack someone. Whether you call it cause, reason, or  some other word that means the same thing, attacking someone without "cause" isn't acceptable. 

Patroklos

Y'know, @Leviticus and I generally end up scrabbling over the same shard because Jester. The trick is, when the fight's over and usually once I'm safely consolidat(ed/ing), I'll unravel the puppet. Leviticus gets a notification, and therefore knows I'm not gonna mess with him. NOW, if he's tickling around the EI or something and I get a buncha fashions, of -course- I'm gonna mess with him with tickle or bleed to say hello. The difference is neither of us has any illusions that I'm going to murder him with just bleed, even with a hundred fashions because his health + regen + sip pretty much means I can happily go fuck myself.

Anyways, the point is, you're gonna die. A lot during this event. If you put an arrow in his ass, just expect to catch a sword with your face. End of story, have a nice day.

Prythe

Leviticus said:

Prythe said:

If I engage you ALONE, and you run and then proceed to talk shit (Epifania, Prythe, Mathilda, etc) then I am going to make it as painful as possible when you do leave your city walls. 

Oh, now that's a joke.

At no time was I part of a group which killed you while you were merely walking by innocently.

And, I didn't  "talk shit"  I said you were a weakling for not being willing to die for your cause and if you actively try to stop a group, which you were, that group has the right to pulverize you, which it did.

Oh, maybe I did talk shit.

Silly me, I thought I was stating facts.

I am a weakling for not being willing to die for my cause...  (this is an opinion)

Fact: I am one of the only ones who is actively in the splinter areas trying to subvert for Mhaldor while I am online.

Fact: I have died numerous times trying to subvert and attack Avatars (so I guess I am not a weakling)

Fact: I stand near Eleusis/Targ in order to wait for their Avatar to run to the shrine



Fact: I don't actively try to stop a group that would be dumb. I actively try to kill an Avatar who is usually alone while running to their destination. I actively try to stop people from subverting because every second counts. These people subverting are usually (98 percent of the time) alone when I attack. Then the group comes after me.

Fact: Your groups don't usually "pulverize" me. I escape way more than I die

Fact: If the group has the right to pulverize me, I have to right to pulverize that group. 

This list can go on and on.

You are mistaken, you, attacked me with "gut" numerous times after Atalkez, Epifania, Miriew, Bronislav were all attacking me and I was dodging and evading.

When I engaged you alone, you ran back to Cyrene. 

Opinions < Facts

When you engaged me alone I was distracted for a moment.

Not that I have any need or desire to fight you.

I am not a combatant. I am a defender.  There is a difference to me.

Given what is being said here on the forum about you, I don't even feel the least bit of guilt about the fact that any time I notice you coming after me I will run.

What you are doing is not RP. You are playing a first person shooter in a game of nuance.

You want to beat up on a defenseless old woman? Enjoy.

Your victory will be meaningless 'cause this old woman just doesn't care all that much and given my attitude annoys you, I may even get some amusement out of your attempt(s).

Ahmet

No. The point is, you don't get to put yourself in a situation to be attacked, most of the time by attacking other people, then cry victim and kill them later when it's all over. That's dickish. End of story.

Halstad

Prythe said:

Leviticus said:

Prythe said:

If I engage you ALONE, and you run and then proceed to talk shit (Epifania, Prythe, Mathilda, etc) then I am going to make it as painful as possible when you do leave your city walls. 

Oh, now that's a joke.

At no time was I part of a group which killed you while you were merely walking by innocently.

And, I didn't  "talk shit"  I said you were a weakling for not being willing to die for your cause and if you actively try to stop a group, which you were, that group has the right to pulverize you, which it did.

Oh, maybe I did talk shit.

Silly me, I thought I was stating facts.

I am a weakling for not being willing to die for my cause...  (this is an opinion)

Fact: I am one of the only ones who is actively in the splinter areas trying to subvert for Mhaldor while I am online.

Fact: I have died numerous times trying to subvert and attack Avatars (so I guess I am not a weakling)

Fact: I stand near Eleusis/Targ in order to wait for their Avatar to run to the shrine



Fact: I don't actively try to stop a group that would be dumb. I actively try to kill an Avatar who is usually alone while running to their destination. I actively try to stop people from subverting because every second counts. These people subverting are usually (98 percent of the time) alone when I attack. Then the group comes after me.

Fact: Your groups don't usually "pulverize" me. I escape way more than I die

Fact: If the group has the right to pulverize me, I have to right to pulverize that group. 

This list can go on and on.

You are mistaken, you, attacked me with "gut" numerous times after Atalkez, Epifania, Miriew, Bronislav were all attacking me and I was dodging and evading.

When I engaged you alone, you ran back to Cyrene. 

Opinions < Facts

I am not a combatant. I am a defender.  There is a difference to me.

Yeah no. Sorry, but if we're talking about RP here, engaging in a fight in anyway makes you a combatant. You know what helpless old ladies do in a real battle? They run and hide. Those that try to feebly fight will be mowed down. Choices and consequences. 

Ahmet

In the context of Achaea, there is a difference, though to be fair it's not one that has any bearing on the situation at hand. She is not an aggressor. She is not a learned fighter. Leviticus attacking Prythe would be extremely more one-sided than the ganks he's complaining about.

Prythe

Yeah no. Sorry, but if we're talking about RP here, engaging in a fight in anyway makes you a combatant. You know what helpless old ladies do in a real battle? They run and hide. Those that try to feebly fight will be mowed down. Choices and consequences. 

Good point, I guess.

I don't go looking for fights :: pound chest :: but if my "people" need me, I am always willing.

That doesn't negate the rest of it. I'm not _a_ combatant in the more global sense of the word. Or maybe I am. How about, "I am not a trained fighter."

 If Lev really thinks he has reason to come after me (which I dispute) he will eventually kill me. Life will go on.

But I think my "First person shooter" analogy is apt regardless.

Halstad

Right, I meant a combatant in the context of that event, not the Achaea general com/non-com definition. I'll certainly throw my weiner in the grinder if Mhaldor calls, but I'm certainly not yet anything resembling the definition of an overall combatant. 

Eidra

Mathilda said:

The black tide has subsumed a white pearl butterfly.

WHO SAID THEY WEREN'T FEELING THE DANGER

NOT THE BUTTERFLIES!?!

Jonathin

It's not just the coalition doing it. Before I announced here on forums that I'm free game in splinterfall areas, I was getting ganked later for just being in the same room as coalition members when they ganked someone, even if I was just standing there, staring off into space.

Yae

I tried to join the event when I could. During the first half of the month (or week), I logged in more hours than I would have, filling it with darting around and getting smooshed as an avatar. And then I realized I was staying up until 4-6am waiting for splinters to fall or someone to pass the vine network to (which is very limited at 3am PST), and popping in when I should be doing other stuff.

I know some people find this super fun (or obliged to see it to the end) and will log in 15+ hours a day, but as much as I want to be part of history, I just got really exhausted and reality tends to priority despite looking forward to what the end brings.  

Jinsun

Afk and they spot some guy at my location. Shit like this is why I go back and kill people who attack me when I'm not an avatar:

A massive shadow begins to circle in the skies above.

(svof): Careful: Breathrain coming!

(ex) 7695h|100%, 7352m|100%, 100w%, 100e%, (dbh)- 

A massive shadow begins to circle in the skies above.                            

  (breathrain inc)

(svof): Careful: Breathrain coming!

(ex) 7695h|100%, 7352m|100%, 100w%, 100e%, (dbh)- (breathrain inc)

A massive shadow begins to circle in the skies above.                            

  (breathrain inc)

(svof): Careful: Breathrain coming!

(ex) 7695h|100%, 7352m|100%, 100w%, 100e%, (dbh)- (breathrain inc)

A massive shadow begins to circle in the skies above.                            

  (breathrain inc)

(svof): Careful: Breathrain coming!

(ex) 7695h|100%, 7352m|100%, 100w%, 100e%, (dbh)- (breathrain inc)

A massive shadow begins to circle in the skies above.                            

  (breathrain inc)

(svof): Careful: Breathrain coming!

(ex) 7695h|100%, 7352m|100%, 100w%, 100e%, (dbh)- (breathrain inc)

A massive shadow begins to circle in the skies above.

(svof): Careful: Breathrain coming!

(ex) 7695h|100%, 7352m|100%, 100w%, 100e%, (dbh)- 

High above, Xaden opens his glistening, tooth-lined maw wide and rains a great 

tempest of dragonfire down upon you, from which there is no escape or reprieve.

(breathrain inc)

High above, Antidas opens his glistening, tooth-lined maw wide and rains a great 

tempest of ice down upon you, from which there is no escape or reprieve.

(breathrain inc)

High above, Farrah opens her glistening, tooth-lined maw wide and rains a great 

tempest of psi down upon you, from which there is no escape or reprieve.

(breathrain inc)

Your ravaged mind can take no more, and simply ceases to function as the world 

fades to black.(breathrain inc)

You have been slain by Farrah.                                                   

  (breathrain inc)

(ex) 0h|0%, 7352m|100%, 100w%, 100e%, (h)- (-7695h, 100.0%)                      

  (breathrain inc)

The life seeps out of his eyes as his ravaged mind simply shuts down.            

  (breathrain inc)

(p) 

(svof): We died.

(ex) 0h|0%, 7352m|100%, 100w%, 100e%, ()-                   (breathrain inc)

High above, Karren opens his glistening, tooth-lined maw wide and rains a great 

tempest of psi down upon the ground, failing to strike you.(breathrain inc)

High above, Shirszae opens her glistening, tooth-lined maw wide and rains a 

great tempest of acid down upon the ground, failing to strike you.(breathrain 

inc)

(p) (ex) 0h|0%, 7352m|100%, 100w%, 100e%, ()-                                    

  (breathrain inc)

(p) (ex) 0h|0%, 7352m|100%, 100w%, 100e%, ()-                                    

  (breathrain inc)

An Ashtani corsair whistles the melody of a popular local shanty.

(p) (ex) 0h|0%, 7352m|100%, 100w%, 100e%, ()- 

A massive shadow begins to circle in the skies above.

(p) 

(svof): Careful: Breathrain coming!

(ex) 0h|0%, 7352m|100%, 100w%, 100e%, ()- 

High above, Atalkez opens his glistening, tooth-lined maw wide and rains a great 

tempest of psi down upon the ground, failing to strike you.(breathrain inc)

(p) (ex) 0h|0%, 7352m|100%, 100w%, 100e%, ()-                                    

  (breathrain inc)

A massive shadow begins to circle in the skies above.

(p) 

(svof): Careful: Breathrain coming!

(ex) 0h|0%, 7352m|100%, 100w%, 100e%, ()- 

A massive shadow begins to circle in the skies above.                            

  (breathrain inc)

(p) 

(svof): Careful: Breathrain coming!

(ex) 0h|0%, 7352m|100%, 100w%, 100e%, ()- (breathrain inc)

High above, Farrah opens her glistening, tooth-lined maw wide and rains a great 

tempest of psi down upon the ground, failing to strike you.(breathrain inc)

(p) (ex) 0h|0%, 7352m|100%, 100w%, 100e%, ()-                                    

  (breathrain inc)

A massive shadow begins to circle in the skies above.

(p) 

(svof): Careful: Breathrain coming!

(ex) 0h|0%, 7352m|100%, 100w%, 100e%, ()- 

A massive shadow begins to circle in the skies above.

(p) 

(svof): Careful: Breathrain coming!

(ex) 0h|0%, 7352m|100%, 100w%, 100e%, ()- 

High above, Antidas opens his glistening, tooth-lined maw wide and rains a great 

tempest of ice down upon the ground, failing to strike you.

High above, Karren opens his glistening, tooth-lined maw wide and rains a great 

tempest of psi down upon the ground, failing to strike you.

(p) (ex) 0h|0%, 7352m|100%, 100w%, 100e%, ()- 

A massive shadow begins to circle in the skies above.

(p) 

(svof): Careful: Breathrain coming!

(ex) 0h|0%, 7352m|100%, 100w%, 100e%, ()- 

High above, Atalkez opens his glistening, tooth-lined maw wide and rains a great 

tempest of psi down upon the ground, failing to strike you.(breathrain inc)

High above, Shirszae opens her glistening, tooth-lined maw wide and rains a 

great tempest of acid down upon the ground, failing to strike you.(breathrain 

inc)

(p) (ex) 0h|0%, 7352m|100%, 100w%, 100e%, ()-                                    

  (breathrain inc)

A massive shadow begins to circle in the skies above.

(p) 

(svof): Careful: Breathrain coming!

(ex) 0h|0%, 7352m|100%, 100w%, 100e%, ()- 

High above, Xaden opens his glistening, tooth-lined maw wide and rains a great 

tempest of dragonfire down upon the ground, failing to strike you.(breathrain 

inc)

(p) (ex) 0h|0%, 7352m|100%, 100w%, 100e%, ()-                                    

  (breathrain inc)

High above, Antidas opens his glistening, tooth-lined maw wide and rains a great 

tempest of ice down upon the ground, failing to strike you.

(p) (ex) 0h|0%, 7352m|100%, 100w%, 100e%, ()- 

They didn't even get the guy they were going for. Asshats.

Ahmet

Apples to oranges. There's miles difference between being killed while afk and not at all a part of a conflict, and going after someone for defending themselves and their group when attacked, especially when they're fully within their rights to do so.

Jinsun

I never go after someone for defending a group when they're attacked?

Xaden

Jinsun said:

I never go after someone for defending a group when they're attacked?

He's referring to his earlier back and forth.

You were an innocent bystander there, sorry bro.

Jinsun

Xaden said:

Jinsun said:

I never go after someone for defending a group when they're attacked?

He's referring to his earlier back and forth.

You were an innocent bystander there, sorry bro.

Dick.

Xaden

Jinsun said:

Xaden said:

Jinsun said:

I never go after someone for defending a group when they're attacked?

He's referring to his earlier back and forth.

You were an innocent bystander there, sorry bro.

Dick.

Baby?

Antidas

Jinsun said:

Xaden said:

Jinsun said:

I never go after someone for defending a group when they're attacked?

He's referring to his earlier back and forth.

You were an innocent bystander there, sorry bro.

Dick.

The whole thing about not being so upset about a single death comes to mind here. You 100% were just at the wrong place at the wrong time. I'm sorry you died, it obviously wasn't our intention (we were after the avatar who was standing in the room with him), but how about instead of coming to forums to complain about it, you just shut up and come after us IC. Or alternatively, make some sort of city rules to prevent people from standing around in high pedestrian areas as avatars, as others are likely to come after them.

tl;dr sucks you were killed, but don't get so pissed off about it. It was one death, and you're perfectly within your rights to come kill us for it or hire if you'd prefer. Try that instead of posting on forums!

Shirszae

Was the Worldreaver as full of people complaining? I missed that one completely, but man... Every time I check this thread thinking people might actually be discussing what's going on, I instead find people rehashing the same pk stuff...

Aegoth

All this log tells me is that you idiots need the bombarder trait. how can you suck that bad?